Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 1

[idiot09]

I like the general thought that Ben is depressed because of the DCEU. I mean the guy's going through marriage troubles, his passion project got **** on critically and financially, he's been working nonstop for the past 3-4 years on multiple projects, but yea, let's blame it all on the DCEU.

As far as his position DCEU, if he had Terrio rewrite his and John's script, someone he trusts, that goes more in the grain that he's going to stay involved with The Batman as opposed to leaving the project completely like many chicken-littles are exclaiming in this forum. Why would you bring your homeboy into a project that you intend to abandon? It doesn't make sense. This news of Terrio being involved now actually quells some of my fears about Ben's commitment to Batman and DCEU as a whole. If nothing else, he's at least contractually obligated to appear in JL2, so at least the league won't be missing Bruce in the event The Batman does get scrapped or delayed indefinitely.

As far as BvS's dialogue is concerned, it's all subjective. But you can't tell me something like "He's not our hero, he's a silent protector, a watchful guardian, a dark knight" is not any less cheesy than the stuff in BvS. It's pretty grand that some are complaining the dialogue is too comic book-y. Well guess what kind of movie your watching. You guys complain about the unrealistic and theatrical dialogue in BvS? What about half the ridiculous thing Tony Stark says? These double standards really frustrates me sometimes.

Word. You nailed it.

I was fine with the braintrust. The problem was the studio meddling. We'll see how things look under Johns. Glad I still get another DCEU flick from Papa Snyder. I still get the vibe Johns took on the role to protect Snyder.

I am convinced thats why Johns was promoted. To prevent further studio meddling like what happened with bvs and ss. Since Johns and Snyder have a great relationship, I think he will actually help protect Snyder's vision.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think WB may be considering director of Accountant for this...

I enjoyed The Accountant quite a bit, so I'm okay with that. What gives you that idea though?

I am convinced thats why Johns was promoted. To prevent further studio meddling like what happened with bvs and ss. Since Johns and Snyder have a great relationship, I think he will actually help protect Snyder's vision.

If I had to guess, WB promoted Johns because he has experience with these projects and because of his knowledge base. John's accepted, but with the caveat that WB had to stay out of the way. WB wasn't really in a place to argue.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

The Accountant was fantastic!

 

[Micromind]

I think that Affleck would prefer a director who has worked with him rather than bring in a new person at this stage, as most high profile directors would want to have some input in the script.

 

[Legendver2]

It was really Batman vs Punisher, until

Spoiler

you find out they're brothers.

 

[idiot09]

The reason I think WB might hire Gavin O'Connor :

1. He has worked with Ben Affleck before, and they did very well with the Accountant.
2. Gavin is a good director, who did action really well in the last movie. His movies have a lot of heart too. The accountant was a lowkey Batman movie tbh.
3. Affleck would probably want someone who will partner him to direct this, not someone who will come in with a huge ego, change everything from the groundup, throw away Affleck's ideas, want a lot of creative freedom etc. Thats what happens when you bring in a big name director like George Miller or Fincher.

What Im basically thinking is it will be more of a director for hire guy, who will remove a lot of pressure from Affleck. Affleck will still have a lot of pull, but he wont have to direct in his Batsuit.

 

[Trevor]

I like the general thought that Ben is depressed because of the DCEU. I mean the guy's going through marriage troubles, his passion project got **** on critically and financially, he's been working nonstop for the past 3-4 years on multiple projects, but yea, let's blame it all on the DCEU.

As far as his position DCEU, if he had Terrio rewrite his and John's script, someone he trusts, that goes more in the grain that he's going to stay involved with The Batman as opposed to leaving the project completely like many chicken-littles are exclaiming in this forum. Why would you bring your homeboy into a project that you intend to abandon? It doesn't make sense. This news of Terrio being involved now actually quells some of my fears about Ben's commitment to Batman and DCEU as a whole. If nothing else, he's at least contractually obligated to appear in JL2, so at least the league won't be missing Bruce in the event The Batman does get scrapped or delayed indefinitely.

As far as BvS's dialogue is concerned, it's all subjective. But you can't tell me something like "He's not our hero, he's a silent protector, a watchful guardian, a dark knight" is not any less cheesy than the stuff in BvS. It's pretty grand that some are complaining the dialogue is too comic book-y. Well guess what kind of movie your watching. You guys complain about the unrealistic and theatrical dialogue in BvS? What about half the ridiculous thing Tony Stark says? These double standards really frustrates me sometimes.

I am huge pro-Snyder guy, but we need to give Johns some time. Maybe he just came in at a time when everything was going south. Anyway Snyder was never a head of the universe like Johns and berg are now. It was a braintrust before, while its just 2 guys handling everything now.

Also Johns gets these characters man, and he is as big a fan as us guys. We need to give him some time. Lets see how WW does before putting him under the bus.

 

[Micromind]

They may have a name ready (most likely Gavin), but are waiting for the right time to announce, could be declared in weeks.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It was really Batman vs Punisher, until

Spoiler

you find out they're brothers.

Saw it coming, but it still hit me in the feels.

 

[idiot09]

Saw it coming, but it still hit me in the feels.

Saw it coming 30 seconds before it happened.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Saw it coming 30 seconds before it happened.

I never watch movies looking for the twist, mainly because I think it distracts from the journey to get there, but I clocked it as soon as I saw [BLACKOUT]them as kids. Something about the younger one immediately reminded me of Bernthal. His overall demeanor was familiar.[/BLACKOUT]

But anyways, let's focus on Batman in JL. I am praying we see a Snyder directed fight between him and Slade.

 

[idiot09]

I never watch movies looking for the twist, mainly because I think it distracts from the journey to get there, but I clocked it as soon as I saw [BLACKOUT]them as kids. Something about the younger one immediately reminded me of Bernthal. His overall demeanor was familiar.[/BLACKOUT]

But anyways, let's focus on Batman in JL. I am praying we see a Snyder directed fight between him and Slade.

They might save that for The Batman. Hope they dont

 

[Jumpman]

I wouldn't put that much faith in Geoff Johns. To me, it's always felt like a pure PR move, nothing more. Johns isn't a film guy.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Rebirth has been absolutely fantastic so far. Especially the Superman run. If Johns can apply some of the creative vision for the DCEU, reign in Snyder and flat out clean all of the typical Snyder-isms, I think we'll have a good franchise here. Let's see how he did with WW.

As for who should direct The Batman? David Fincher.

 

[kguillou]

I think Johns was brought it solely to make sure the characterizations are the way the fans want them to be. The studio clearly heard that people were upset about the Batman and Superman portrayals so I think Johns' role was to make sure Snyder didnt stray too far from the characters' classic incarnations.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I think WB may be considering director of Accountant for this...

Yup.

This is what I think as well.

It makes sense in such a short time period.

A very solid choice.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

Oh man, I thought the Accountant sucked. I really had trouble watching it to the end. My current dream director would be Denis Villeneuve. Blade Runner 2049 should be wrapping up soon, and he's recently signed on to do Dune, so if nothing else, he could probably find time to do it, if production starts in the spring (I think Affleck said that?).

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I wouldn't put that much faith in Geoff Johns. To me, it's always felt like a pure PR move, nothing more. Johns isn't a film guy.

100% true.

 

[idiot09]

100% true.

Well remember that guy Daniel Eliesen on Twitter? Who works for WB merchandise or something? He is pretty legit. And he did say Geoff Johns and John Berg are certainly the guys at top right now.

Like Scribe said, I think all he does is, give a general direction of where to take the stories and universe, and make sure the characters dont stray too much from the comics and their essence is captured. While Berg is more of a film guy, and a actual producer who oversees the filmmaking issues like budget, shooting, editing etc.

 

[BH/HHH]

Johns may not be a film guy (although there is absolutely nothing saying he can't be one in the making) but the guy tells great stories. Great films tend to have great stories so if he's overseeing the story arcs and the continuity of it all then I think from that point the DCEU is in good hands. Again that's and IF not definitely before anyone jumps down my throat. Same as Affleck MAY walk away from Batman altogether but unlike some others I'm not gonna say yes that's definitely happening.

 

[Saint]

I wouldn't put that much faith in Geoff Johns. To me, it's always felt like a pure PR move, nothing more. Johns isn't a film guy.

100% true.

Geoff Johns began his career as a production assistant for Richard Donner. Naturally being a low level guy on a film set doesn't automatically grant him any qualifications, it just means the world of film isn't completely alien to him.

The reality is that WB desperately needs somebody to coordinate and world-build this universe. That is Geoff Johns' most singular qualification; there is probably no one working in the industry today who has more experience (and success) with the DC Universe (keeping in mind that guys like Denny O'Neil are retired).

Whether he's set up for success is a big question. The DCEU (in my opinion, of course) is a garbage fire right now, and the people who made it that way are still involved--so whether Johns is able to turn it around or if he's allowed to turn it around is a challenge. His ability to work in film is another question, yes, but I think it's secondary.

 

[The Guard]

Johns is there to bridge the business and creative sides. His job is to assist and influence the producers of these films, who may not have the knowledge of DC Comics and writing in general.

He's the President of DC Comics, for goodness sake. He's had success with multiple titles there, is Chief Creative Officer and is generally considered to have done well at DC. More to the point, he's shown the ability to balance creative duties and corporate ones.

In a lot of ways, he's more qualified for "the Kevin Feige" role than Kevin Feige was.

Also, he's a big Silver Age influence guy, and he's the one who has championed the "hope and optimism" angle, both in the comic books themselves with Rebirth, and now the movie franchises.

 

[titansupes]

I'm pretty sure Johns and Feige both started out as assistants to the Donner's, at about the same time, too.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Isn't there going to be a sequel to The Accountant? Anyway, I wish WB hadn't announced Ben was leaving until they already had his replacement. I for one am happy he isn't directing; I never wanted him to act write and direct... Actually I would never wish all 3 of those on anyone, that is just too much pressure for one person. As long as he is still Bruce Wayne I don't really care who directs.

 

[Black Narcissus]