Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 1

[Polux]

Batman 89 says hello.

Or....you know, The Dark Knight....

 

[Greenlite]

Oh really? Been meaning to check that at some point because I loved Let the Right One In and was curious to see how the remake would do.

Ya I enjoyed the original version, haven't seen Reeve's version neither, I thought it'd be another Hollywood copycat, but the critical reviews were actually really good and the child actors were great too would love to see Matt bringing both Chloe and Kodi into DCEU/Batman/Titans etc.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Ya I enjoyed the original version, haven't seen Reeve's version neither, I thought it'd be another Hollywood copycat, but the critical reviews were actually really good and the child actors were great too would love to see Matt bringing both Chloe and Kodi into DCEU/Batman/Titans etc.

Chloe for Barbara Gordon.

 

[FunkMiller]

There has never been a live action version where Batman was truly brutal with The Joker yet the later still doesn't back down.

There's an entire sequence in the best comic book movie ever made where Batman throws The Joker around an interrogation cell so hard that it smashes the safety glass in the windows. The Joker then taunts Batman by saying that he can do nothing to stop him, despite all of Batman's strength.

Here it quite literally is:

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think by "brutal", he meant the teeth smashing, thug killing, steal yo girl then knock her ass out kinda brutal.

 

[Ardyns]

There's an entire sequence in the best comic book movie ever made where Batman throws The Joker around an interrogation cell so hard that it smashes the safety glass in the windows. The Joker then taunts Batman by saying that he can do nothing to stop him, despite all of Batman's strength.

Here it quite literally is:

The bat-suit looks so bad in this picture

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The outline is fine but the detail leaves a lot to be desired

 

[matt47]

Oh no...it's happening again.

 

[BH/HHH]

There's an entire sequence in the best comic book movie ever made where Batman throws The Joker around an interrogation cell so hard that it smashes the safety glass in the windows. The Joker then taunts Batman by saying that he can do nothing to stop him, despite all of Batman's strength.

Here it quite literally is:

I think he probably means in terms of blood, physical marketings etc. Cause we haven't really seen that. Sure he bled out of his mouth in Batman '89 but it wasn't really brutal. That scene above you mention is pure aggression and it's brutal but it's brutal 'light' IMO (of course it's an amazing scene and probably the best in live action between the two characters). TBH though I doubt we ever see a truly violent and brutal beat down like that (at least not in the cinema, maybe on an uncut edition). The Dark Knight is probably a brutal as it will get.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think he probably means in terms of blood, physical marketings etc. Cause we haven't really seen that. Sure he bled out of his mouth in Batman '89 but it wasn't really brutal. That scene above you mention is pure aggression and it's brutal but it's brutal 'light' IMO (of course it's an amazing scene and probably the best in live action between the two characters). TBH though I doubt we ever see a truly violent and brutal beat down like that (at least not in the cinema, maybe on an uncut edition). The Dark Knight is probably a brutal as it will get.

Yep. And that's the way it should be. Batman also appeals to children. Anyone who wants an ultra violent, gory, and R Rated Batman needs to grow the **** up.

 

[idiot09]

Says Batman is for kids. Tells people to grow up.

On a serious note, there is room for everything. There can be a Batman who appeals to kids(Lego Batman, JL action), there can be a Batman who is more adult(TDKR, much of Scott Snyder's Batman), there can be stuff which is a bit balanced(like BTAS, Batman Begins etc). Saying something absolute and extreme like "No Batman cant be ultra violent and adult" or "batman cant appeal to kids" is just close minded. You can have it all.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

On a serious note, there is room for everything. There can be a Batman who appeals to kids(Lego Batman, JL action), there can be a Batman who is more adult(TDKR, much of Scott Snyder's Batman), there can be stuff which is a bit balanced(like BTAS, Batman Begins etc). Saying something absolute and extreme like "No Batman cant be ultra violent and adult" or "batman cant appeal to kids" is just close minded. You can have it all.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Yep. And that's the way it should be. Batman also appeals to children. Anyone who wants an ultra violent, gory, and R Rated Batman needs to grow the **** up.

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[matt47]

Says Batman is for kids. Tells people to grow up.

On a serious note, there is room for everything. There can be a Batman who appeals to kids(Lego Batman, JL action), there can be a Batman who is more adult(TDKR, much of Scott Snyder's Batman), there can be stuff which is a bit balanced(like BTAS, Batman Begins etc). Saying something absolute and extreme like "No Batman cant be ultra violent and adult" or "batman cant appeal to kids" is just close minded. You can have it all.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yep. And that's the way it should be. Batman also appeals to children. Anyone who wants an ultra violent, gory, and R Rated Batman needs to grow the **** up.

I don't think they need to grow up it's just about personal tastes. However, I do agree with you it goes as far as it probably ought to in the films. There are other mediums like the animated features or the actual comics that can and have explored the brutality deeper and that's probably where that level should stay.

 

[FunkMiller]

Says Batman is for kids. Tells people to grow up.

On a serious note, there is room for everything. There can be a Batman who appeals to kids(Lego Batman, JL action), there can be a Batman who is more adult(TDKR, much of Scott Snyder's Batman), there can be stuff which is a bit balanced(like BTAS, Batman Begins etc). Saying something absolute and extreme like "No Batman cant be ultra violent and adult" or "batman cant appeal to kids" is just close minded. You can have it all.

Your deliberately misconstruing my point for the sake of point scoring. I was responding to the idea of a brutal, r-rated Batman on screen. You can tell I meant that because I literally put it in my comment

Of course there should be a wide variety of Batman characterisations. But r-rated and brutally violent, as hinted at by the original poster?

No. Not ever.

The Dark Knight takes Batman's brutality on screen as far as it should ever go.

 

[The Shape]

I think by "brutal", he meant the teeth smashing, thug killing, steal yo girl then knock her ass out kinda brutal.

Batman is often referred to as "Mr. Steal Yo Girl".

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

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Who's lip licking is sexier, Ben or Henry's?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Batman 89 says hello.

Last I checked, Batman didn't beat him so bad he knocked out all his front teeth.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I think he probably means in terms of blood, physical marketings etc. Cause we haven't really seen that. Sure he bled out of his mouth in Batman '89 but it wasn't really brutal. That scene above you mention is pure aggression and it's brutal but it's brutal 'light' IMO (of course it's an amazing scene and probably the best in live action between the two characters). TBH though I doubt we ever see a truly violent and brutal beat down like that (at least not in the cinema, maybe on an uncut edition). The Dark Knight is probably a brutal as it will get.

That's exactly what I meant. Batman has always been a brawler and brutal but we've never seen him like he was in BvS or rumored to have been with The Joker. Some of those guys in that warehouse fight are sucking through straws for the rest of their lives.

 

[FunkMiller]

That's exactly what I meant. Batman has always been a brawler and brutal but we've never seen him like he was in BvS or rumored to have been with The Joker. Some of those guys in that warehouse fight are sucking through straws for the rest of their lives.

But why do you want that? Can't you go and watch The Punisher, or Deadpool for that level of violence?

Why are Snyder/ DCEU fans so intent on Batman being such an ultra-violent maniac?

 

[The Shape]

Last I checked, Batman didn't beat him so bad he knocked out all his front teeth.

Well, there's this:

And this:

Pretty brutal, if you ask me.

 

[idiot09]

Your deliberately misconstruing my point for the sake of point scoring. I was responding to the idea of a brutal, r-rated Batman on screen. You can tell I meant that because I literally put it in my comment

My initial comment with the meme was a joke, hope you didnt take that seriously.Anyway...


But that guy never said anything about the movie being R-rated or gore.

I suppose you have seen Daredevil right? Its my favourite superhero TV show. Imo its lightyears ahead of anything DC tv is doing right now. I also think that show has nailed the grittier, violent, brutal vigilante part. That show is exactly what you describe what Batman should never be. But I find no reason why a Batman movie cant be like that if done right. They are similar characters, violent vigilantes who are trying to save their city, but have a no-kill code.

The only reason to lighten it up is a commercial one. To appeal to the younger audience, to sell toys and to make it family friendly to sell more tickets. Or because the story asks for it. From a more creative point of view. if the story asks for it, I say yes to a more violent Batman story. Like I said, there is room for everything. Thats my take on it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Well, there's this:

And this:

Pretty brutal, if you ask me.

Seriously people, do you think I haven't seen these movies?! I'm so done with this discussion.

 

[FunkMiller]

The only reason to lighten it up is a commercial one. To appeal to the younger audience, to sell toys and to make it family friendly to sell more tickets. Or because the story asks for it. From a more creative point of view. if the story asks for it, I say yes to a more violent Batman story. Like I said, there is room for everything. Thats my take on it.

You do realise that being less violent doesn't mean 'lightening it up', don't you?

And okay, that's fine. You don't mind an ultra violent Batman, similar to The Punisher. I don't see any credible creative storyline that requires Batman to be that violent. None at all. To make him that violent is violence for violence's sake.