Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman - Part 1

[J.Drangal]

Ahah, but to be fair, the journalist didn't harrassed him about it, he just wanted to know if there was something else on his mind, something more personal.

 

[Poppy]

Yeah the interview was focused on Live by night and a little bit of Trump.

I was wondering, isn't it a bit odd that Bruce recruits the new members (at least Barry and Arthur) as Bruce and reveals at the same time, his secret identity? Bruce is supposed to be a bit paranoid.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah the interview was focused on Live by night and a little bit of Trump.

I was wondering, isn't it a bit odd that Bruce recruits the new members (at least Barry and Arthur) as Bruce and reveals at the same time, his secret identity? Bruce is supposed to be a bit paranoid.

Different take on Bruce. Restored faith in humanity and all that.

 

[J.Drangal]

In BvS, Bruce blinded himself, he didn't investigate on Superman, he stayed on his fear of this alien and didn't take the time to learn about the man behind it.
At the end of the movie, letting his rage and paranoia behind him, he seems decided to gives his faith to another and reveal himself like some sort of garantee.
One could argue that it unsafe for him to do that, but we know that this time, Bruce did some research on all of the future league members (as seen in SS).

 

[Boy Scout]

I think it's kind of stupid for him to reveal his identity right off the bat. I could see him doing it to push someone from a "maybe" to a "yes," but it looks foolish out of context.

 

[NotNickFury]

Could be something he leads up to, like if it was a question of trust. This all reminds me of a moment from the Justice League episode "Starcrossed."

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[J.Drangal]

Yeah, it bugs me a little too, but I think it's possible to be acceptable in context. But if we refer to the others bat-movie, Bruce seems to like sharing his secret with others, aha.
I was a little bit more annoyed by the facts that he call the other members of the league "friends" at the end of SS when he hasn't met them yet...

 

[Jekecy]

Barry's a safe bet because a future version of himself literally told Bruce to find them in the first place.

Arthur's a loner himself who probably does not care at all about who Bruce Wayne is.

Jury's still out on Victor.

Not seeing the big risk here...

 

[Boy Scout]

Barry's a safe bet because a future version of himself literally told Bruce to find them in the first place.

That doesn't mean that Barry in someone who he can trust right off the bat. Without knowing the circumstances behind their acquaintance, or even the circumstances under which he originally revealed his identity, Bruce is taking a huge risk by being so candid with a total stranger.

Arthur's a loner himself who probably does not care at all about who Bruce Wayne is.

So...what's the point of approaching him as Bruce Wayne and not Batman?

 

[Jekecy]

That doesn't mean that Barry in someone who he can trust right off the bat. Without knowing the circumstances behind their acquaintance, or even the circumstances under which he originally revealed his identity, Bruce is taking a huge risk by being so candid with a total stranger.

Future-Flash didn't give any conditions or warnings about grouping them together. It was a frank command so taking it at face value, coupled with the fact Bruce has been "inspired" to have more faith in mankind, probably was enough for him to make the leap of faith.

I'm sure arguments can be made for both sides, but it just has to make logical sense for Bruce. And it does.

So...what's the point of approaching him as Bruce Wayne and not Batman?

Because Batman is inherently theatrical and takes effort to put forth that presentation. If we can agree Arthur is neutral, then the actual question should be why Bruce would bother putting on a costume, waiting 'till night, and disguising his voice.

It's simply more practical to go out as is.

 

[Black Narcissus]

No issues with Bruce revealing himself to the others right off the bat.

Shrugs.

 

[Boy Scout]

Future-Flash didn't give any conditions or warnings about grouping them together.

Exactly. He has literally nothing to go off of aside from a vague warning that could easily be misinterpreted and an explanation of what to do, but not how he should go about it.

I'm sure arguments can be made for both sides, but it just has to make logical sense for Bruce. And it does.

I'm sure it does, but this Bruce has been accused of being stupid multiple times.

Because Batman is inherently theatrical and takes effort to put forth that presentation. If we can agree Arthur is neutral, then the actual question should be why Bruce would bother putting on a costume, waiting 'till night, and disguising his voice.

...so that this person he doesn't know won't have access to his secret identity.

And if he's willing to put forth the effort to find someone who hangs out in what I'm going to assume is a tiny fishing village in the middle of nowhere, I don't think suiting up - something he's done almost every night for the last two decades - would be a bridge too far or a waste of effort.

won't give this person he doesn't know

It's simply more practical to go out as is.

It's the exact opposite of practical.

 

[morningmimosa]

Or Arthur would trust a normal looking guy more than a dude in a bat costume. Idc, keep discussing, I won't be wasting ma time with that.

 

[Boy Scout]

Cool.

 

[The Guard]

It's not what most versions of Batman would do, but I'm ok with him revealing his identity to the metahumans as he seeks them out, because in doing so, he's revealing that he knows theirs, and disturbing their privacy in a sense. Fair trade for what he's asking of them. He's showing he trusts them and asking for their trust in return. Fits this version of the character and shows an evolution of his mindset toward the metas.

 

[Black Narcissus]

It's not what most versions of Batman would do, but I'm ok with him revealing his identity to the metahumans as he seeks them out, because in doing so, he's revealing that he knows theirs, and disturbing their privacy in a sense. Fair trade for what he's asking of them. He's showing he trusts them and asking for their trust in return. Fits this version of the character and shows an evolution of his mindset toward the metas.

Batman has been revealing his identity in every cinematic film so far tho, not talking about circumstance or what was at stake in those films, but he sure likes to tell folks in every film.

I wonder if there is a yt montage of that, but to stoned to search.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It stands to reason that one's closest allies would be privy to such information in a moderately grounded universe. How and especially when they come upon it isn't really important to me.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[The Guard]

Batman has been revealing his identity in every cinematic film so far tho, not talking about circumstance or what was at stake in those films, but he sure likes to tell folks in every film.

I wonder if there is a yt montage of that, but to stoned to search.

I can't wait to see The Lego Batma Movie take this on.

 

[Reel-Man]

Remember the scene in The Dark Knight where Lucius Fox is talking to the employee trying to blackmail Bruce Wayne/Batman? Remember the speech he's given? Same situation here. I highly doubt anyone would want to spill the beans on BW being Batman and have him hunt them down. First of all, no one would believe them, secondly he knows their own identity. Also i'm fairly certain he did his research on them prior to approaching them (as was shown in the teaser and in SS scene).

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

LOL That's cute. I admit I worry about hin writing directing and starring, I would be OK with him just doing 2 out of 3.

 

[Boy Scout]

Remember the scene in The Dark Knight where Lucius Fox is talking to the employee trying to blackmail Bruce Wayne/Batman? Remember the speech he's given? Same situation here. I highly doubt anyone would want to spill the beans on BW being Batman and have him hunt them down.

By that logic, he could reveal his identity to literally anyone and it would be okay.

Also, I don't think Aquaman or The Flash have any reason to be afraid of Batman. By approaching them out of costume, he gave them leverage over him. They could subdue or kill him on the spot, or threaten to expose him (or do any number of awful things) if he made a move against them at a later date.

Also i'm fairly certain he did his research on them prior to approaching them (as was shown in the teaser and in SS scene).

I don't doubt that he knows all about their lives and abilities, but probably not much about who they are as people to know whether or not they'll accept his offer. Remember that he was very taken aback when Barry almost instantly said "yes."

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don't think Bruce is worried about them snitching. He has faith in them and that they'll see the value in fighting for a higher cause. Plus it's not like it matters. If they cared about his secret identity, him showing up in costume won't stop them from finding out. Flash ain't gonna be like "Damn, if only I could find some way to remove his mask before he had the chance to stop me." Cyborg could legit just hack into his computer.

This is silly to me.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I don't think Bruce is worried about them snitching. He has faith in them and that they'll see the value in fighting for a higher cause. Plus it's not like it matters. If they cared about his secret identity, him showing up in costume won't stop them from finding out. Flash ain't gonna be like "Damn, if only I could find some way to remove his mask before he had the chance to stop me." Cyborg could legit just hack into his computer.

This is silly to me.

It also makes sense for him to start trusting metahumans for his arc to go forward.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It also makes sense for him to start trusting metahumans for his arc to go forward.

Also true. It's the obvious direction for him to go after BvS.