Ben Affleck or Christian Bale?

[AnneFan]

Loved the scene where Bats takes the gun off the goon, and the whole 'I believe you' moment from DK Reurns happens. Bats didn't bring the gun with him....he took it off someone. It plays for me. He used what he had at the time to empower his situation. If the hostage taker wants to wear a flamethrower tank, that's their business.

That's true. I find some Nolan Trilogy fans are a bit weird though, I've had a lot of grief from them for simply failing to acknowledge The Dark Knight as a masterpiece.

Well, sucks for them in that case. I like most interpretations of Batman. Nothing is at risk. It's all there to be enjoyed.

 

[Kobra]

Would David Fincher make a great Batman movie?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Essentially it's 60-40 split in Affleck's favour. What the heck were you expecting? A bigger margin?

 

[The Joker]

I'm still very surprised that Ben hasn't run far and away with this. I would not have been surprised in the least if the poll was way more heavily in his favor. Before the movie came out, he had everything going for him. After the grounded approach in the TDKT, people were desperate for a comic-accurate Batman. He was given the best Batsuit and possibly superhero costume ever onscreen, looks like he was ripped off Jim Aparo's pages or BTAS, amazing fight scenes, visuals, got to be brutal as hell, was heavily inspired by the supremely popular TDKR, and he got to take down Superman, which should have been exhilarating.

The fact that Batfleck isn't the slam dunk definitive Batman, even so fresh off the movie's release, is a staggering failure, and a testament to how strong Bale was as the Dark Knight.

In this fast-paced, exaggerating, and quite frankly superficial world we live in, Batfleck should be destroying Bale right now.

Indeed. Just wait til a few months have passed.

 

[AnneFan]

Essentially it's 60-40 split in Affleck's favour. What the heck were you expecting? A bigger margin?

Yeah. Affleck and Bale are the heavyweights in the Batman department now.

 

[OcStat]

Would David Fincher make a great Batman movie?

That would probably be a legit movie.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

definitely christian bale. every time I saw ben affleck all I could see was an actor in a suit. not bruce wayne, not batman. now obviously that's literally what he was, but I couldn't get passed it while watching the movie. it was too transparent to me.

Agreed.

 

[hafizbat]

Essentially it's 60-40 split in Affleck's favour. What the heck were you expecting? A bigger margin?

Yup. Much bigger. Don't underestimate how capricious this crowd can be.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm saying Affleck was the better Batman but Bale was the better Bruce Wayne - might not be an entirely fair comparison though given that we got three movies with Bale's version.

 

[hellblazer103]

The creators of Batman canned the gun toting killing version of him in less than a year. By Batman #4 they had him saying he never uses guns. Or do you think that brief and unpopular characterization eclipses over 75 years of characterization? Perhaps you think it's better that there be no Batcave, Alfred, Gotham City etc since they were all absent in the original creation of Batman, too.

it also went on for many issues in detective comics beforehand. and not exactly, but i do know that without the original version , those over 75 years of characterization wouldn't exist, so i'd like to think it counts for something.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

not sure which i prefer actually.

 

[The Joker]

it also went on for many issues in detective comics beforehand. and not exactly, but i do know that without the original version , those over 75 years of characterization wouldn't exist, so i'd like to think it counts for something.

All within a year. 1939-1940. And it was removed because it was deemed that Batman should never use guns. So why would something they thought didn't suit the character, and made the antithesis of who he is morally for the bulk of his existence, count for something?

 

[The Batman]

Would you care to elaborate?

1. I think perception is stronger than fact in some situations. For example, The perception that Bale wanted to quit is stronger than the fact that he was actually pretty addicted to being Batman, even during the 8 year break.

2. I think for fans, faithfulness to surface details outweigh what I consider meaningful and likable characterization. I don't think Batfleck is a likable version of the character, nor did I find his storyarc meaningful. I learned my lesson from Andrew Garfield as Spidey. I used to think Garfield was a good as Maguire because Garfield's Spidey persona felt closer to the comics. Truth is, as many have noted, Garfield's Peter/Spidey is a pretty unlikable guy with bad characterization, which ultimately, IMO, wasn't like Peter when you get down to it. At times, Maguire may have been near mute in the suit, but he wouldn't break a dead man's promise to get into Gwen Stacy's pants.

 

[OcStat]

1. I think perception is stronger than fact in some situations. For example, The perception that Bale wanted to quit is stronger than the fact that he was actually pretty addicted to being Batman, even during the 8 year break.

2. I think for fans, faithfulness to surface details outweigh what I consider meaningful and likable characterization. I don't think Batfleck is a likable version of the character, nor did I find his storyarc meaningful. I learned my lesson from Andrew Garfield as Spidey. I used to think Garfield was a good as Maguire because Garfield's Spidey persona felt closer to the comics. Truth is, as many have noted, Garfield's Peter/Spidey is a pretty unlikable guy with bad characterization, which ultimately, IMO, wasn't like Peter when you get down to it. At times, Maguire may have been near mute in the suit, but he wouldn't break a dead man's promise to get into Gwen Stacy's pants.

Thanks, I couldn't agree more. I feel like I let a lot of stuff slide in the Amazing series because of my love for Spider-Man. Well, I love Superman and Batman too and I won't let it slide again. I think they deserve better treatments, and we deserve to see them. Especially Superman, I can't believe DC continues to let their icon get thrown under the bus.

And more concerning is the sentiment that it is totally okay to have this be our Superman and Batman because it's modern. Seems overtly cynical to me.

 

[The Batman]

What's he done that's so terrible?

What I've done is consistently criticize MOS and shown skepticism over BvS, which for a Snyderverse Stan like BH/HHH is unacceptable. And it's left him salty.

As I mentioned, perception trumps fact for some people. I clearly stated that I started this thread to see how far ahead Ben would be in the poll, but that the thread itself cemented thoughts I had. What does BH/HHH do? He twists that to serve his own narrative.

And if he had no time for me, he didn't have to respond to OcStat's post, as it had nothing to do with him.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Agreed.

 

[BH/HHH]

What I've done is consistently criticize MOS and shown skepticism over BvS, which for a Snyderverse Stan like BH/HHH is unacceptable. And it's left him salty.

As I mentioned, perception trumps fact for some people. I clearly stated that I started this thread to see how far ahead Ben would be in the poll, but that the thread itself cemented thoughts I had. What does BH/HHH do? He twists that to serve his own narrative.

And if had no time for me, he didn't have to respond to OcStat's post, as it had nothing to do with him.

The hypocrisy is strong in this one

 

[sf2]

it's easy for me.
ben all the way.
i don't enjoy much of bale batman trilogy.
i dislike the DKR especially.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Love both, but Affleck for me. Downright scary at times.

 

[The_Manhunter]

The hypocrisy is strong in this one

Gotta love how they closed the positivity thread to avoid us insulting the other users but it only increased such activity.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Would David Fincher make a great Batman movie?

He probably could. Won't happen though.

 

[The Batman]

Thanks, I couldn't agree more. I feel like I let a lot of stuff slide in the Amazing series because of my love for Spider-Man. Well, I love Superman and Batman too and I won't let it slide again. I think they deserve better treatments, and we deserve to see them. Especially Superman, I can't believe DC continues to let their icon get thrown under the bus.

And more concerning is the sentiment that it is totally okay to have this be our Superman and Batman because it's modern. Seems overtly cynical to me.

Regarding Superman, I definitely agree. Marvel would never treat their characters the way DC/WB has treated Superman for three movies straight. It's a big reason why they're on top right now.

IMO, just because times are tough doesn't mean the current style is justified. Superman: The Movie came out during a post watergate, post-vietnam 70's. That wasn't the happiest decade, to put it mildly.

 

[OcStat]

That is what makes Bale's Batman a stand out. Times are tough. Batman faced his greatest challenge against the Joker and drew a line in the sand that he said he would not cross no matter what. It's a powerful idea, I personally find it empowering and inspiring. I noted in another thread that is something I did not feel at all from this movie. Compromised heroics with such a jaded morality is just not something I want from my super heroes. And I understand there can be different versions and adaptations, but this movie is supposed to be the DCU right? What we will be spending time with each time we visit this world in the movie theater...why return to see heroes that aren't heroic?

 

[Saxo Cup]

Agree im for diferent incarnations of the character but at least keep the fundamentals witch is not killing people like bale did.

 

[OcStat]

Yeah we know Bale killed people, the point is he didn't do so with glee. He held back.

And they got so much else right with his Batman that the cons don't outweigh the pros.