Ben Affleck or Christian Bale?

[Deserana]

If true, it's even more proof how idiotic and reactionary this Batman is. He's ready to discard everything he's done over the 20 years for what? Because Superman exists and he's insecure?

If it's so easy for him to forget his mission, he can't have believed in it very much in the first place.

Really? If aliens attacked and existed in real life I'm pretty sure most of us would look around and be like "well my life was pretty pointless". Especially Bruce. He spent his life trying to defeat threats then all of a sudden Zod happens and he thinks "well **** I have tights and a grappling gun". I think that's perfectly reasonable.

 

[TheSuperBrando]

lol he fly his Batplane in and just shoot thugs away. You try and say Batman could not instead go down and fight them thugs, he only could win by shooting them.

Actually he couldn't have. He had extremely limited time, and saved

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Martha

at the very last second. And really why not shoot them? Why does he have to put himself in unnecessary danger? Why not use every tool at your disposal to defeat your enemy in the safest way possible? Do you hold Luke Skywalker to the same standard?

 

[BETArayBill]

I liked Affleck but I can't consider him the definitive Batman after one movie that wasn't even a solo Batman movie plus

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I hated that he killed like 30 people

Definitely my favorite Batsuit though

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Actually he couldn't have. He had extremely limited time, and saved

Spoiler

Martha

at the very last second. And really why not shoot them? Why does he have to put himself in unnecessary danger? Why not use every tool at your disposal to defeat your enemy in the safest way possible? Do you hold Luke Skywalker to the same standard?

Disagreed. He had time to take out room full of armed men by fighting when he could have shot them all too. Batman never kill criminals if he not have to and he not have to there. Luke Skywalker not expert trained fighter with arsenal of gadgets and able to beat armed men without having kill them.

 

[TheSuperBrando]

Disagreed. He had time to take out room full of armed men by fighting when he could have shot them all too. Batman never kill criminals if he not have to and he not have to there. Luke Skywalker not expert trained fighter with arsenal of gadgets and able to beat armed men without having kill them.

A Jedi Knight isn't an expert? And isn't the lightsaber the ultimate gadget? What about Obi Wan or Qui-Gon or Han Solo? What about Aragorn? What about Captain America or Iron Man?

The point is condemning Batman as a murderer or bad or immoral for killing is also condemning many other cinematic heroes. It's a stupid double standard and an unfair criticism of BvS.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Loved Bale's approach to the character:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x150lja_christian-bale-s-batman-audition_shortfilms

(Bale's Batman Screentest)

 

[KingKane88]

Affleck for me, i thought he was great, best Batman yet IMO.

 

[titansupes]

A Jedi Knight isn't an expert? And isn't the lightsaber the ultimate gadget? What about Obi Wan or Qui-Gon or Han Solo? What about Aragorn? What about Captain America or Iron Man?

The point is condemning Batman as a murderer or bad or immoral for killing is also condemning many other cinematic heroes. It's a stupid double standard and an unfair criticism of BvS.

No. It's called different characters in different universes with different rules. Aside from both being movie heroes, they literally have nothing to do with each other. It's not even close to being a double standard of any description.

 

[RustyCage]

They each have their pros and cons, but they're also very different interpretations that I think are all 100% valid and excellent in their respective stories.

This is really too tough to call for me, personally.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ben Affleck by far.

 

[TDKR1977]

I've loved the Bale movies for years now. Having seen BvS 3 times now, it's Affleck. All day long and twice on Sunday. And it's not even close.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Unless Affleck gets to play Batman in a better movie, I think the general audience will consider him and his film a laughing stock;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw

The GA certainly parodied Bale's Batman voice, but in the long term I think they'll prefer his Batman over the Snyder reboot.

 

[TDKR1977]

Unless Affleck gets to play Batman in a better movie, I think the general audience will consider him and his film a laughing stock;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw

The GA certainly parodied Bale's Batman voice, but in the long term I think they'll prefer his Batman over the Snyder reboot.

Laughing stock? Even the negative reviews are praising Affleck.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Ben Affleck by a mile.

 

[Matt]

Characterization as Batman: Bale

Characterization as Bruce: Affleck

Acting choices: Affleck

 

[BatLobster]

I loved Affleck in the film. He might be the only thing I truly loved about it.

One thing I have to say though. I do not think Affleck in his late 20s/early 30s could've carried an origin film the way Bale carried Batman Begins on his shoulders. That first hour of Batman Begins, where we get fully invested in Bruce's character before he ever puts on a Batsuit- is something that paid off in spades for the whole trilogy, up until the very last scene of TDKR. Bale had the writing on his side, but he was also the right actor at the perfect point in his career.

Ben Affleck was absolutely pitch perfect as an older, veteran Batman- both the extremely dark version as well as the 'coming back towards the light' Batman that we see glimpses of at the end too. But I don't believe he could've ever pulled off building the character from the ground up as effectively as Bale did. You couldn't just sub out Bale in Batman Begins for a 30 year old Affleck. It simply wouldn't have worked at the time.

On the other hand, I still feel like Bale could absolutely nail this older, more intense Batman. In fact, that's kind of where he wanted to go with it. Could you guys imagine if Bale had Ben's suit and fight choreography?

I know there's a lot of hypotheticals in here...I guess my point is, it's apples and oranges to me. Affleck was the most recognizable Batman ripped straight off the pages, but Bale's Batman still is the definitive cinematic take on the character to me.

 

[Omegabat]

For those who dont know the original Golden Age Batman married Catwoman and retired.
DCAU/Timmverse Batman also retired.

I dont know why Nolan's Batman is singled out when there's a clear precedence for it. Even Miller's Batman retired,twice,the moment writers decide to move the narrative forward is when we get stuff like this.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Can I see 3 Affleck Batman movies before I decide?

 

[The Shape]

I don't even want to choose because I love them both, and I would need to see more Batfleck in future films to ever make a call like that. They each have strengths and weaknesses in terms of how they were adapted, and each one has questionable moments in their films. Both are ultimately pretty different and have different character arcs and different stories, told at different points in their lives and careers as Batman.

Maybe I'm being too diplomatic here, but I have no interest in trying to tear down one version/actor in order the prop up the other, partly because I really liked and appreciated both versions and think each actor was great in the role. As a Batman fan, each version tickles my fan sensibilities in different ways and I'm thankful for both.

But at this point, I actually have to give the edge to Keaton (particularly in B89). He has always been my favorite Batman, but now after seeing both Bale/Nolan and Affleck/Snyder's takes, I feel like he's the perfect middle ground between each version to me, both in terms of how Keaton played the role and also how Batman was presented.

Seeing BVS again tomorrow and looking forward to watching Batfleck again to get a better feel for him.

 

[KingKane88]

Unless Affleck gets to play Batman in a better movie, I think the general audience will consider him and his film a laughing stock;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw

The GA certainly parodied Bale's Batman voice, but in the long term I think they'll prefer his Batman over the Snyder reboot.

The GA, even the people who did not like this film that much say Afffleck was strong or at worst good in the movie, to say he would be a laughing stock is a complete joke.

Also that video is a joke as-wel, you talk about the GA but the question in the vid you posted was asked to Ben and Henry based on the critics score not the GA. And from the evidence so far the majority of people are either liking or loving this film, just look at our Poll on this board, or the Flixster %, its been holding at a steady 74% all day with 8,000 reviews in, that means more then 7 out of every 10 people are scoring this movie as a positive, the good far out weighs the bad here.

The simple fact is the people who did not care for this film are going to be more vocal about it, that's just how this world works. Just as with any business, you are going to hear from the complainers who are not satisfied before you hear from the people who were happy and walk away with a smile.

 

[Decepticonus]

For those who dont know the original Golden Age Batman married Catwoman and retired.
DCAU/Timmverse Batman also retired.

I dont know why Nolan's Batman is singled out when there's a clear precedence for it. Even Miller's Batman retired,twice,the moment writers decide to move the narrative forward is when we get stuff like this.

Maybe they're afraid he'll eat up too much social security.

 

[JackWhite]

I think, in time, Ben can be the best on screen Batman, but Bale still owns that title, IMO.

I mean, it's only been one film for Ben and Bale had an arc play out the course of an entire trilogy. For me, that means something. I will say that I loved how they managed to up the brutal factor with Ben but Christ, he is killing thugs left and right in almost all of his action scenes. In the words of Bale's Bruce "I cannot let that pass".

I feel most of that will be remedied in the solo Batfleck film, but as it stands I'm still team Bale-Bats.

 

[Marvel Knight]

The GA, even the people who did not like this film that much say Afffleck was strong or at worst good in the movie, to say he would be a laughing stock is a complete joke.
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How can you say that? The GA are only really seeing this film tonight, and this weekend, and in the week to come.

The audience who has seen it already are the nerdy early ticket buying fans.

 

[Marvel Knight]

This really sums up why the Zack Snyder version of Batman (Affleck) misses the mark;

https://youtu.be/8J80H51YRC8?t=358


Snyder has a sloppy take on the character. Nolan has a far stronger understanding of the character.

 

[schereZada]

Affleck in every department. Bale was more correct than actually good. Affleck had the bat-voice, the suit, the genuine rage inside like Bale never could. I only wish he could make his own Batman movie.