Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film - Part 3

[OutOfBoose]

Since there's no vision or plan in DCEU, I'm not sure what Berg or Johns could talk about. Snyder has a vision, but his ideas are largely hated. Ayer has a vision and his vision sucks ass. Producers probably have a vision, which is catering to the latest trend (ironically created by a strong vision of a concurrent company).

 

[moviefreak]

Devin Faraci is undercover somewhere in the WB/DC building. It's probably him leaking Snowden style to a selected few friends of his.

 

[Tra-El]

I see where you're coming from, and I appreciate it, but I don't see the value in doubling down on a past mistake just for the sake of keeping up appearances. I ask myself, does announcing a slate help more than it hurts in the long run? Because even an announcement that might make things appear less messy today, may help to make things look more messy tomorrow if things don't go exactly to plan. It seems a messy appearance can happen either way. Having everything so public didn't seem to help Affleck's mindset when it came to The Batman , and it didn't help the released movies do any better. So beyond some temporary PR help, I'm not sure it's worth it. I really could take it or leave it.

At the end of the day, all of that is fans-speak and probably about...100% of the audience that makes or breaks these films on opening night at the theater have no clue about slates or anything else for that matter. It's basically the eb and flow of how the fanbase is feeling right now. It's a temperature that has to be takin' if anybody wants to survive on these forums on a daily basis lol.

 

[Nemeres]

I think they've said as much as can be expected until there's actual content to promote. What they've shared so far about their renewed approach gave a reasonably good idea of what to expect from now on. The rest of the talking should probably be done by trailers and released material.

 

[Tra-El]

Since there's no vision or plan in DCEU, I'm not sure what Berg or Johns could talk about. Snyder has a vision, but his ideas are largely hated. Ayer has a vision and his vision sucks ass. Producers probably have a vision, which is catering to the latest trend (ironically created by a strong vision of a concurrent company).

So wait, in a nutshell, DC has no vision or plan, but they do? Lol.

 

[Chesterfield]

So wait, in a nutshell, DC has no vision or plan, but they do? Lol.

Too many different plans on separate pages from different books.

 

[Tra-El]

That's why you take those pages from different books and put them into one big thing called a cinematic universe.

 

[Luke234]

One of the issues with DCEU is the slate We're going to do BvS, SS, Wonder Woman, JL and Aquaman.

And we're also going to do Flash, JL2, Cyborg, Shazam and Green Lantern Corps after that.

Wait, we're also doing the Batman, Lobo, Booster Gold, Justice League Dark, Suicide Squad 2, Gothan City Sirens, Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Man of Steel 2 and 2 Black Adam movies too.

Then it's well, we're pushing back JL2.
We're on our 3rd director for Flash and that's being pushed back.
Oh, just had the director step down for the Batman.

They need to stop announcing everything and just focus on a few movies at a time. Right now, it only seems like after JL that Aquaman is the only movie on track.

I don't think you're wrong but the Duck at a carnival act they're doing with" this movie, then that, then this one, no wait, let's do this one instead 1st.."
That stuff is annoying and frustrating to die hard fans but to the general audience, that alone won't feel like any kind of mess. I loved MOS and BVS and I'm going to check out Wonder Woman and most likely justice league. Those are the only movies I myself am aware are definitely happening.
I don't even remember when justice league is coming out but I think around November. Being that it's only February, I could really care less what comes after if I think it's good.
Only keeping track of things on the internet and the infrequent news we may get through entertainment channels will get the GA frustrated. It's a tall order for people who DID NOT like MOS and BVS to make something they'll really enjoy but that's really all that matters. They're only gonna here "mess "stories scrolling super hero junk online.
I was probably just being Captain Obvious there ,so sorry for the long post. I would say, that I saw a blurb saying Affleck is now rumored to completely bail on being Batman . If this is true, part of me is like, " yeah, stick it to all the nerds who hope you get razzies and can't stop the crazy hatred." Part of me would root him on for that.

 

[Chesterfield]

That's why you take those pages from different books and put them into one big thing called a cinematic universe.

Unfortunately WB seem to be wiping their asses with those pages first.

 

[OutOfBoose]

So wait, in a nutshell, DC has no vision or plan, but they do? Lol.

What plan? What vision? They change every few months. Movies come and go. As soon as people start talking about something, WB goes: yeah, that's exactly what we're going to do. More humor, more levity, fun, fun, fun. "Fun" movie **** the bed? Now we care about characters. They deserve this and that.

 

[Erzengel]

I don't think you're wrong but the Duck at a carnival act they're doing with" this movie, then that, then this one, no wait, let's do this one instead 1st.."
That stuff is annoying and frustrating to die hard fans but to the general audience, that alone won't feel like any kind of mess. I loved MOS and BVS and I'm going to check out Wonder Woman and most likely justice league. Those are the only movies I myself am aware are definitely happening.
I don't even remember when justice league is coming out but I think around November. Being that it's only February, I could really care less what comes after if I think it's good.
Only keeping track of things on the internet and the infrequent news we may get through entertainment channels will get the GA frustrated. It's a tall order for people who DID NOT like MOS and BVS to make something they'll really enjoy but that's really all that matters. They're only gonna here "mess "stories scrolling super hero junk online.
I was probably just being Captain Obvious there ,so sorry for the long post. I would say, that I saw a blurb saying Affleck is now rumored to completely bail on being Batman . If this is true, part of me is like, " yeah, stick it to all the nerds who hope you get razzies and can't stop the crazy hatred." Part of me would root him on for that.

The Batman was fasttracked out because of BvS and slid into Justice League 2's release date which was previously pushed back. The new date for JL2 hasn't been released. Then there were rumors that the Batman was going to be released in 2018. Earlier Affleck said the script was being worked on and as of a few days ago he dropped out as director but will act and produce.

 

[jmc]

It's a bad comparison anyway. The MCU issues do get scrutiny. Edgar Wright dropping out and implying he had massive behind the scenes issues with Disney was everywhere in the entertainment/geek news. The difference is even with all those problems, Ant-Man delivered at the box office and got good-to-decent reviews.

DC is getting more scrutiny because (not to belabor a point), last time we got wind of issues behind the scenes, we ended up with Suicide Squad.

Don't forget the Edward Norton debacle.

 

[Da-Scribe]

What plan? What vision? They change every few months. Movies come and go. As soon as people start talking about something, WB goes: yeah, that's exactly what we're going to do. More humor, more levity, fun, fun, fun. "Fun" movie **** the bed? Now we care about characters. They deserve this and that.

WB has been touting this hope and levity business since before BvS even released. I don't see how that's changed.

 

[socool]

I haven't seen this posted yet:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02...writer-terrio-rewrote-affleck-and-johns-draft

So they get Chris Terrio to come in and rewrite BvS. BvS comes out and is pretty much a mess script wise. The Batman isn't coming together (probably because of the script), so they...bring in Terrio.

What.

I mean, I get that he's worked with Affleck before BvS (Argo) so maybe the two of them on writing duty would work better...? But this feels like WB running in circles

 

[Jekecy]

WB has been touting this hope and levity business since before BvS even released. I don't see how that's changed.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-...-dc-lighten-up-superheroes-1473350000?tesla=y

“n the past, I think the studio has said, ‘Oh, DC films are gritty and dark and that’s what makes them different.’ That couldn’t be more wrong,” Johns told The Wall Street Journal. “It’s a hopeful and optimistic view of life. Even Batman has a glimmer of that in him. If he didn’t think he’d make tomorrow better, he’d stop.”

The pair admitted many of those changes are first going to be first seen in Zack Snyder’s Justice League, which is almost done filming for a November 2017 release. Berg admitted after seeing the reactions to Batman v Superman, they “accelerated the [Justice League] story to get to the hope and optimism a little faster.”

There’s been a clear PR directive to move away from the self-patting “deconstructive genre epic” adulations they’ve been touting with MOS and BvS.

Every other sentence coming out their mouths has forced in “hope” and “fun” as a direct response to the naysayers and people they’re trying to convert.

No one doubts JL was always going to be lighter, that much is obvious. But it’s just as obvious they’re amplifying that change in tone, and trying to communicate the new message as early and often as possible.

 

[sweetre15]

I haven't seen this posted yet:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02...writer-terrio-rewrote-affleck-and-johns-draft

So they get Chris Terrio to come in and rewrite BvS. BvS comes out and is pretty much a mess script wise. The Batman isn't coming together (probably because of the script), so they...bring in Terrio.

What.

I mean, I get that he's worked with Affleck before BvS (Argo) so maybe the two of them on writing duty would work better...? But this feels like WB running in circles

I'm assuming this time, the rewrite having Terrio collaborating with Geoff Johns and presumably not doing a rush job with the script could help get things up to Affleck and WB's liking.

I liked the BVS Ultimate Edition a lot don't get me wrong but there are still things that the story should have spent more time on.

Anyway if this is simply a detective style Batman film that focused on Bats' conflict with Deathstroke along with whatever the plot entails, I'm sure it's something he'd have less trouble with...theoretically

 

[brandeezy89]

The problem is that what do expect WB to do? If WB says nothing about BvS and SS' reception and continue on then they will get ****ted on by fans. If WB says they're working on fixing the quality of their movies then they get ****ted on by fans for not following a plan.

That's how things work, if your original plan doesn't work then odds are you're going to work on what did and didn't work. You're not going to keep trucking on with your fingers in your ears and say "Well they don't understand what i'm doing" unless you really don't give af. All you can do is hope you see their efforts and change for the better in the following films

 

[Da-Scribe]

I haven't seen this posted yet:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02...writer-terrio-rewrote-affleck-and-johns-draft

So they get Chris Terrio to come in and rewrite BvS. BvS comes out and is pretty much a mess script wise. The Batman isn't coming together (probably because of the script), so they...bring in Terrio.

What.

I mean, I get that he's worked with Affleck before BvS (Argo) so maybe the two of them on writing duty would work better...? But this feels like WB running in circles

Where can I read Terrio's draft of the BvS script?

 

[Luke234]

If I was Affleck I'd go get my razzie and say,"wow. I was the worst actor all year?" Ok. Thanks. You got your wish , nerds." I'm out. "
It's not the NBA championship . Who needs all the weirdo rage?

 

[Boom]

Terrio was asked to take elements of The Dark Knight Returns, The Death of Superman, Birthright, and Injustice and mash it all together into one screenplay. Oh, as well as introduce Wonder Woman and the Justice League. It's a lot of material to consolidate. Way too much on the plate.

A stand-alone Batman film should be simpler and more straightforward. In that sense, Terrio's involvement doesn't concern me.

 

[THE WOLF]

We don't know how much of the BvS script can be attributed to Goyer, Terrio or even Snyder

For all we know, Terrio could have just re wrote some of the dialogue for Goyer's story

The "Martha" thing could have been Snyder

 

[2kt09]

We don't know how much of the BvS script can be attributed to Goyer, Terrio or even Snyder

For all we know, Terrio could have just re wrote some of the dialogue for Goyer's story

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"some of the dialogue" would be an understatement.

The "Martha" thing could have been Snyder

2016 equivalent of the "neck snap".

 

[The Guard]

One of the issues with DCEU is the slate We're going to do BvS, SS, Wonder Woman, JL and Aquaman.

And we're also going to do Flash, JL2, Cyborg, Shazam and Green Lantern Corps after that.

Wait, we're also doing the Batman, Lobo, Booster Gold, Justice League Dark, Suicide Squad 2, Gothan City Sirens, Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Man of Steel 2 and 2 Black Adam movies too.

Then it's well, we're pushing back JL2.
We're on our 3rd director for Flash and that's being pushed back.
Oh, just had the director step down for the Batman.

They need to stop announcing everything and just focus on a few movies at a time. Right now, it only seems like after JL that Aquaman is the only movie on track.

Remember when fans whined about how few projects WB had in development? How WB had all these great heroes that should be leveraged to make franchises out of?

 

[Jekecy]

Remember when fans whined about how few projects WB had in development? How WB had all these great heroes that should be leveraged to make franchises out of?

If BvS and SS were universally lauded films there wouldn't be complaints about quantity. There's a desire to slow down precisely because there's this perceived notion they're rushing and sacrificing the integrity of the films.

 

[The Guard]

I really don't see why we're owed any explanation. Films get delayed, lose directors, get announced, get cancelled, etc. This isn't new.

Exactly.

Also, they gave us an explanation. They had Ben Affleck, the man who is apparently driving this project, and who the public believes is driving it and the heart of it, give a very direct, somewhat emotional explanation.

Iron Man franchise lost Terrence Howard, Favreau stepped down as director, Blunt backed out of Black Widow. Marvel dumped Ed Norton and nearly lost Rourke and Sam Jackson due to low-balling. Edgar Wright backed outta Ant-Man and took a few cast members with him. Then they lost Patty Jenkins and had Portman talking trash about the whole thing. Ava DuVernay publicly turning down BP. Pushing BP back for yet ANOTHER Spider-Man film. Dumping Inhuman from the MCU schedule.

People forget. Or forgive, because the lion's share of Marvel's films have been well received.