deathshead2
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I had a idea for a new west cosat avengers with Ben joining the team now if only remember how it happened?
Dragon said:But in all the examples you give- Batman family (I hate that childish name), Jason Todd, none of them are direct- EXACT copies of the original character. Granted I think even having a Batgirl or Superboy is too much, but Reilly is worse.
And since you agree that it's the writing and not the character, then why would we need a second Spider-Man? All they have to do is produce good stories with the original, made more difficult if there are multiple Spider-Men. As for a Ben Reilly return being able to allow them to maintain the marriage et al- It wouldn't. Again, the concern is being able to tell stories with PETER PARKER being single. Not just Spider-Man being single.
IF Ben Reilly had unique abilities and costume, that would be one thing. But additional characters with the same powers and similar look waters down the original.
I understand that there are a number of folks who like Ben Reilly, unfortunately you guys are casualties of Marvel's bad editorial policy, just as those of us who've now dropped the titles due to all the silliness happeneing in the current stories. If Marvel was simply producing good Spidey stories and didn't decide to take such ridiculous paths this problem wouldn't exist.
And Jason Todd isn't a valid comparison. The fans voted for Robin 2's death. The Jason Todd that returned is The Red Hood and bears no resemblance to the character killed off 16 years ago other than his name. Agaijn, if Ben Reilly had different super powers and costume, I might not have a problem with it. But I maintain that more Spider-Men isn't the answer.
RAMORE said:Well in that case here are the two costumes Ben reilly has been known to wear:
and her is ol petey's curent duds
Also about the powers:
Well ben has 10 ton strength, speed, can stick to walls and spidey sense so you can't sneak up on him plus ingenious equipment of his own design like tracers, stingers 9little needles shot at which drug you), impact webbing, and regular webbing.
While peter has organic webbing, he also has the old powers plus new ones including the addition of new "stingers, think wolverine like bony spikey that come out of his wrist to stab people" as well as upgraded speed and spider-sense. The last issue of "The Other" series revealed three of Spider-Man's new abilities including the ability to see in the dark, the ability to attach things to his back (a variation of his wall-crawling), and an ability to "feel" his environment as he can detect vibrations from his immediate surroundings due to his web and hairs on his arms. Oh and don't forget his nifty new suit makes him even stronger, allows him to fly, stop bullets, change clothes, see better and different light spectrums as well as a few thing we haven't seen yet.
And to top it all off diffent names and hair color so how about that smarty pants
Guyverjay said:Hell bring back Ben and give HIM the iron spidey suit and pete can wear the red and blues
Dragon said:Nah man. I don't mean a superficially different costume and powers that differ from Spidey because he now has powers that most people want to see gone anyway.
When Ben was around he and Spidey's powers were identical, because he was supposed to be the "real" Spider-Man.
I'm saying if he had altogether different powers. No wall crawling or agility. No swinging from weblines. I mean make him a completely differnt character. Sure, maybe he could maintain spider powers and motif, but make them differnet from Peter's. I'll give some bad examples that express the lines I'm speaking along. Say he casts an energy web that traps people. Say he breaths a toxic gas. Say he got the sucky stingers. Say he had a gliding device strapped to his back that released a web-parachute like what spiders fly with. Whatever. But not utilizing powers that are like Peter's.
I can't remember all of it but I remember the team someone bringing him back to life you know what happend after he was impaled and turned to dust. they somehow turn the dust back into ben now if I only remember the rest of the deatils of how where and why. Dang I really should have wrote it down.RAMORE said:deathshead2 and wolvie 25th i would like to hear those stories if you care to share.
spidey-dude said:i think he meant stems but dude seriously you could have geussed that if you read the thread
spidey-dude said:oh thats your idea of fun okay....i would never have guessed because i would never find that fun.....maybe my expectations are just higher
Dragon said:I don't read ANY Spider-Man now because of boneheaded decisions like Clones, Stingers and Totems. The reason Spider-Man is in the hole he's in right now is unoriginal thinking.
Tell me- what is the upside of having two Spider-Men? The Spider-Man concept is already overexposed and lacking in quality- and now you expect Marvel to come up with interesting things to do with twice as much Spider-Man?
And let's be clear- there's also a very simple reason why Ben Reilly isn't around anymore. By-enlarge the audience doesn't want him. Spider-Man's alter ego is Peter Parker. Sure- you may be a fan of the character for whatever reason. You'll find someone who'll bite down on anything. There are fans of the current things going on in the books. But most folks aren't biting.
Right. And just ONE means NOT just one of MANY... NOT just another chosen by some bogus spider-god.Dragon said:No more freakin' clones. No more rip-offs. No more Spideys with boobs. ONE Spider-Man. JUST ONE. Come up with something ORIGINAL.
Captivated said:Right. And just ONE means NOT just one of MANY... NOT just another chosen by some bogus spider-god.