Black Panther 3 News & Discussion Thread

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[Shinobi Shaw]

Now this is the MCU movie I cannot wait to see.

Coogler and Denzel?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

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10 years after the first movie

 

[psylockolussus]

6 long years after the 2nd movie.

 

[Elayis]

The long wait between installments is part of what's killing Marvel. Taking six years for a sequel to one of their most successful franchises is crazy.

 

[lenz]

Their biggest issue is leadership. Tired and way past expiry.

Should have been gone yesterday.

 

[psylockolussus]

3 year gap between sequels should return!

 

[TheVileOne]

Their biggest issue is leadership. Tired and way past expiry.

Should have been gone yesterday.

I do think it's time to send Kevin Feige on his way at this point. He clearly had no idea how to manage this slate or play the long game story after the Infinity Saga/Endgame.

 

[psylockolussus]

I do think it's time to send Kevin Feige on his way at this point. He clearly had no idea how to manage this slate or play the long game story after the Infinity Saga/Endgame.

Eh. I think thats quite a harsh decision given worse creatives got to stay with more dismal effort:
- Zack Snyder with WB
- Michael Bay with Transformers
- Simon with the X-Men

Marvel Studios isn't a sinking ship yet, given the good reception to the Fantastic 4 and Deadpool & Wolverine. Those are not Bvs, Dark Phoenix, Dark of the Moon level that you go on to fire the main producer.

 

[Elayis]

While I haven't been pleased with Feige's handling of the MCU for awhile now, I honestly can't imagine a scenario where his replacement is an improvement. Stewarding a franchise like this is an impossible job. The failure of every single copycat proves that the Infinity Saga was lightning in a bottle. I'm not sure if Feige has a clear successor, or if there's anyone that would even want the job. I think whenever Feige does step down it'll signal the beginning of the end.

 

[TheVileOne]

Eh. I think thats quite a harsh decision given worse creatives got to stay with more dismal effort:
- Zack Snyder with WB
- Michael Bay with Transformers
- Simon with the X-Men

Marvel Studios isn't a sinking ship yet, given the good reception to the Fantastic 4 and Deadpool & Wolverine. Those are not Bvs, Dark Phoenix, Dark of the Moon level that you go on to fire the main producer.

Snyder is not a good example in this argument look at what happened to him. Also, his tenure was nowhere near as long as Feige.

 

[psylockolussus]

Snyder is not a good example in this argument look at what happened to him. Also, his tenure was nowhere near as long as Feige.

Snyder was with Wb for a long time (from 2004 when he was hired to direct 300, to the year he was replaced by Joss Whedon.) Mind you, he directed mid to bad movies which imo is a bigger offense than Feige producing bad movies.
- Watchmen and 300 are mid movies.
- Legends of the Guardians, Sucker Punch, Man of Steel, Bvs are poorly reviewed movies.
Nothing great came from Zack Snyder when he was under Warner Bros. I don't give him credit for producing Wonder Woman as that was Patty's work.

Endgame was 6 years ago, and since then Kevin Feige produced No Way Home, Shang-Chi, Wakanda Forever, Fantastic 4, Thunderbolts and Deadpool & Wolverine - none of those films are dumpster fire films that you go ahead and fire him. Also, if you fire him, who would take in charge overseeing these films?

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Snyder was with Wb for a long time (from 2004 when he was hired to direct 300, to the year he was replaced by Joss Whedon.) Mind you, he directed mid to bad movies which imo is a bigger offense than Feige producing bad movies.
- Watchmen and 300 are mid movies.
- Legends of the Guardians, Sucker Punch, Man of Steel, Bvs are poorly reviewed movies.
Nothing great came from Zack Snyder when he was under Warner Bros. I don't give him credit for producing Wonder Woman as that was Patty's work.

Endgame was 6 years ago, and since then Kevin Feige produced No Way Home, Shang-Chi, Wakanda Forever, Fantastic 4, Thunderbolts and Deadpool & Wolverine - none of those films are dumpster fire films that you go ahead and fire him. Also, if you fire him, who would take in charge overseeing these films?

He didn't head an entire cinematic universe specifically, and even when Man of Steel came out in 2013, that wasn't fully seen as the start of a universe in the same way that Iron Man was. Not to mention he left partially due to a personal tragedy in his family. If anything, the downfall of the DCEU equally lies with Warner Bros. Snyder wasn't calling the shots by the time stuff like Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 came out.

Also, way to cherry pick movies. Feige also produced The Marvels, Black Widow, The Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, is an executive producer on shows like Secret Invasion, and next to none of those products are good (though Eternals isn't as bad as some make it out to be). He may not have as many strikes on his record, but there are strikes.

 

[Venom 1988]

Snyder was with Wb for a long time (from 2004 when he was hired to direct 300, to the year he was replaced by Joss Whedon.) Mind you, he directed mid to bad movies which imo is a bigger offense than Feige producing bad movies.
- Watchmen and 300 are mid movies.
- Legends of the Guardians, Sucker Punch, Man of Steel, Bvs are poorly reviewed movies.
Nothing great came from Zack Snyder when he was under Warner Bros. I don't give him credit for producing Wonder Woman as that was Patty's work.

Vile is right this isn't a good comparison. Snyder directing other movies WB doesn't compare to Feige's tenure because they had nothing to do with the DCEU. Heck even when he was making MoS, he wasn't planning a whole universe. That didn't come until after MoS was released.

 

[psylockolussus]

He didn't head an entire cinematic universe specifically, and even when Man of Steel came out in 2013, that wasn't fully seen as the start of a universe in the same way that Iron Man was. Not to mention he left partially due to a personal tragedy in his family. If anything, the downfall of the DCEU equally lies with Warner Bros. Snyder wasn't calling the shots by the time stuff like Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 came out.

Also, way to cherry pick movies. Feige also produced The Marvels, Black Widow, The Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, is an executive producer on shows like Secret Invasion, and next to none of those products are good (though Eternals isn't as bad as some make it out to be). He may not have as many strikes on his record, but there are strikes.

The point is Zack Snyder had a bad track record with WB and they should have let him go right after Mos instead of giving more chances with directing BVS/Justice League.

Inbetween products like Love and Thunder, Marvels, Brave New World, Quantumania - Feige was also responsible to movies like No Way Home, Thunderbolts, deadpool & Wolverine, First Steps, Wakanda Forever. I highly doubt Feige was deeply invested to those countless mcu shows. WandaVision, sure. Echo/Secret Invasion, I doubt it.

Feige acknowledges the fact they focused on quantity rather than quality, and they are now trying to steer the ship in the right direction.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just think this suggestion of @TheVileOne of firing Kevin Feige is irrational and really doesn't make sense, unless they already have someone in mind that could a better job overseeing this franchise. I doubt it!

 

[TheVileOne]

I just think this suggestion of @TheVileOne of firing Kevin Feige is irrational and really doesn't make sense, unless they already have someone in mind that could a better job overseeing this franchise. I doubt it!

The comparison of Feige to Snyder makes no sense. It's not the same thing. I'm talking about Feige as the general manager and head honcho of the MCU.

The point is Zack Snyder had a bad track record with WB and they should have let him go right after Mos instead of giving more chances with directing BVS/Justice League.

Inbetween products like Love and Thunder, Marvels, Brave New World, Quantumania - Feige was also responsible to movies like No Way Home, Thunderbolts, deadpool & Wolverine, First Steps, Wakanda Forever. I highly doubt Feige was deeply invested to those countless mcu shows. WandaVision, sure. Echo/Secret Invasion, I doubt it.

Feige acknowledges the fact they focused on quantity rather than quality, and they are now trying to steer the ship in the right direction.

Sure he had a track record but that's not what we are talking about here. Snyder wasn't president of the studio or the main creative in charge of the DC Universe going back to 2004.

 

[Venom 1988]

I just think this suggestion of @TheVileOne of firing Kevin Feige is irrational and really doesn't make sense, unless they already have someone in mind that could a better job overseeing this franchise. I doubt it!

He's not saying Feige should have been fired, he's saying that Feige should have passed the batton to someone else after Phase 3. With his promotion to Marvel CCO, someone else should have taken the role of President of Marvel Studios.

And IMO that person should have been Brad Winderbaum. He was promoted to head of television to 2021 but didn't actually have any real control until after the writers strike in 2023. Given all the reports from behind the scenes, Feige was still trying to oversee TV stuff but because he was covering everything else. Which led to confusion on who was leading the various tv shows. Which is why you had the controvery of no showrunners on Marvel TV on the intial wave of shows and blurred lines on who was leading the shows (Head Writers vs Directors vs Producers).

Post-writers strike, Brad has been front and center on all the TV stuff. For shows that were already in production or post poduction, he tried, to various success, to steer in a better direction. And when it comes to promotion and engaging audiences, he's been acting more like Feige in the last 2 years than Feige has in the last 6 years.

 

[psylockolussus]

The comparison of Feige to Snyder makes no sense. It's not the same thing. I'm talking about Feige as the general manager and head honcho of the MCU.



Sure he had a track record but that's not what we are talking about here. Snyder wasn't president of the studio or the main creative in charge of the DC Universe going back to 2004.

This head honcho you are talking about is credited for these movies as a producer:

79% Black Widow
92% Shang-Chi
93% Spiderman No Way Home
82% Guardians 3
84% Wakanda Forever
78% Deadpool & Wolverine
88% Thunderbolts
86% First Steps

A track record post Endgame with those films, isn't a dumpster fire. He has hits and misses just like most people in Hollywood. He acknowledges his misses and aims to course correct. This isn't a lost cause compare to Zack Snyder, Michael Bay and Simon Kinberg handling a movie franchise in the past.

Also according to RT, he's only credited as Executive Producer in all mcu shows.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sure he had a track record but that's not what we are talking about here. Snyder wasn't president of the studio or the main creative in charge of the DC Universe going back to 2004.

He was in charge of the three Dc films he directed, that got DCEU to a bad start which DCEU never really recovered from.

This isn't the case with Mcu, not even post-Endgame. Doomsday is about to become the biggest movie of 2026. Spider-Man: Brand New Day is going to be huge too.

 

[TheVileOne]

He was in charge of the three Dc films he directed, that got DCEU to a bad start which DCEU never really recovered from.

This isn't the case with Mcu, not even post-Endgame. Doomsday is about to become the biggest movie of 2026. Spider-Man: Brand New Day is going to be huge too.

He didn't get to stay there that long with more dismal efforts. He basically got fired from Justice League.

 

[psylockolussus]

He didn't get to stay there that long with more dismal efforts. He basically got fired from Justice League.

Which they should have done sooner. Kevin Feige doesn't have the same bad track record to get fired, which you are suggesting they should do.

Feige isn't getting fired as he was involved with films like No Way Home, First Steps and Deadpool & Wolverine in the last five years. When Doomsday/Brand New Day perform/review well next year, that would once again solidify his place under Disney.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's fine that you disagree. I still think it's time to fire him after mismanaging the Multiverse Saga and for even choosing to do a Multiverse Saga in the first place.

 

[psylockolussus]

It's fine that you disagree. I still think it's time to fire him after mismanaging the Multiverse Saga and for even choosing to do a Multiverse Saga in the first place.

Not gonna happen, when he's still producing hits to Disney. You keep giving my posts, "confused" reactions doesn't make your suggestions realistic.

Disney fires Kevin Feige today, other studios would just scoop him up as soon as they can. You might as well wish Brand New Day, Doomsday and Secret Wars to completely fail in order for Kevin Feige to get fired.

 

[KBX]

Feige should stay on as long as the MCU is in existence. If he decides step down, that’s his choice.