Black Panther abroad

[Pink Ranger]

Don't believe Hollywoods lies about black leads and international audiences.

The older I get, the more I think that lie is just a way for passive-aggressive racists to try to demean Asians and blacks at the same time. Ingenious, really, but wrong.

The reason why some black-led movies don't do well in Asia (like Get Out, for instance) is because Asian audiences don't have the cultural context to understand these movies thematically (i.e., you have to be familiar with the mores that come with being a racial minority in a white country to get what the movie is about). It has nothing to do with objecting to seeing African Americans on screen.

 

[eon001]

The older I get, the more I think that lie is just a way for passive-aggressive racists to try to demean Asians and blacks at the same time. Ingenious, really, but wrong.

The reason why some black-led movies don't do well in Asia (like Get Out, for instance) is because Asian audiences don't have the cultural context to understand these movies thematically (i.e., you have to be familiar with the mores that come with being a racial minority in a white country to get what the movie is about). It has nothing to do with objecting to seeing African Americans on screen.

You are right. Michael Jai White broke it down perfectly here.
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White led dramas do the exact same business as Tyler Perry or get out. There just as clueless to the cultural contexts from blacks as they are to whites.
People overseas respond to action because that language is universal. Doesn't matter what color you are.

Studios want to maintain power in the long run so they continue to feed us the BS that minorities led movies can't do business internationally. The more power black and brown creators have, they less power they wield.

Even with the success of BP, I'll bet studios will just say it's an anomaly.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I'd also say there are a lot of elements from Black Panther that are similar to what you might find in Asian period epic/action movies. Dynastic successions, trial by combat, honoring one's ancestors, plus crashing cars and destroying casinos, all these things resonate with Asian audiences.

 

[metaphysician]

I'd also say there are a lot of elements from Black Panther that are similar to what you might find in Asian period epic/action movies. Dynastic successions, trial by combat, honoring one's ancestors, plus crashing cars and destroying casinos, all these things resonate with Asian audiences.

Also, from a Chinese perspective, consider the element of being a powerful nation that is not-white, and has to deal with a post-colonial world. . . or is it quite so post-colonial, given what China is doing in Africa of late?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Also, from a Chinese perspective, consider the element of being a powerful nation that is not-white, and has to deal with a post-colonial world. . . or is it quite so post-colonial, given what China is doing in Africa of late?

Ironically, if Killmonger had his way, Wakanda would become the colonizer, not just of America, Europe and Asia, but of its African neighbours. Likely Killmonger's kingdom would behave like Japan in the 1930s.

 

[KevTravels]

You are right. Michael Jai White broke it down perfectly here.
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White led dramas do the exact same business as Tyler Perry or get out. There just as clueless to the cultural contexts from blacks as they are to whites.
People overseas respond to action because that language is universal. Doesn't matter what color you are.

Studios want to maintain power in the long run so they continue to feed us the BS that minorities led movies can't do business internationally. The more power black and brown creators have, they less power they wield.

Even with the success of BP, I'll bet studios will just say it's an anomaly.

Excellent point

 

[MaddScience]

Ironically, if Killmonger had his way, Wakanda would become the colonizer, not just of America, Europe and Asia, but of its African neighbours. Likely Killmonger's kingdom would behave like Japan in the 1930s.

he didn't want to colonize, he wanted to use western methods of infiltration and sabotage to bring about a bloody liberation. there is a huge difference in goals between colonization and liberation. one seeks to rob and exploit, the other seeks to destroy the exploitative power system from the inside through lethal means. the similarity is in the means.

 

[Pink Ranger]

he didn't want to colonize, he wanted to use western methods of infiltration and sabotage to bring about a bloody liberation. there is a huge difference in goals between colonization and liberation. one seeks to rob and exploit, the other seeks to destroy the exploitative power system from the inside through lethal means. the similarity is in the means.

Like any good villain who thinks he's right, he'd start out thinking he's the noble underdog. Then the realities of preserving and enforcing power come into play. Then the revolutionary becomes the empire-builder.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Like any good villain who thinks he's right, he'd start out thinking he's the noble underdog. Then the realities of preserving and enforcing power come into play. Then the revolutionary becomes the empire-builder.

 

[MaddScience]

Like any good villain who thinks he's right, he'd start out thinking he's the noble underdog. Then the realities of preserving and enforcing power come into play. Then the revolutionary becomes the empire-builder.

that's fair expression of your right to speculation and fan fic theory crafting, but it's well beside the point. the character's goals were clearly stated and all those other places you named have nothing that the country he fairly took over (haha T'Challa the usurper) doesn't have thanks to it's almost magical, mcguffin mineral. but then I guess the movie kind of brings up an interesting point that could even relate to the real world. there's no telling for sure what will or what would have happened in the world. for sure this movie wasn't trying to be so thought provoking lol.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

that's fair expression of your right to speculation and fan fic theory crafting, but it's well beside the point. the character's goals were clearly stated and all those other places you named have nothing that the country he fairly took over (haha T'Challa the usurper) doesn't have thanks to it's almost magical, mcguffin mineral. but then I guess the movie kind of brings up an interesting point that could even relate to the real world. there's no telling for sure what will or what would have happened in the world. for sure this movie wasn't trying to be so thought provoking lol.

Uh... Are you forgetting that Kilmonger said, and I quote "the sun will never set on the Wakandan Empire"?

 

[Aximili86]

Bwaha, this "Killmonger as a benevolent force" thing really needs to stop.

Dude was straight-up supremacist ruthless dictator. The African continent's oppression over the centuries doesn't change that.

 

[Raiden]

Bwaha, this "Killmonger as a benevolent force" thing really needs to stop.

Dude was straight-up supremacist ruthless dictator. The African continent's oppression over the centuries doesn't change that.

Yeah, arming the War Dogs against the "oppressors" can only have one outcome: death and destruction across the globe. Those Vibranium weapons won't be used to negotiate peace or even to make African Americans less oppressed, because they will just cause bloodshed and conflict.

 

[KevTravels]

Yeah, arming the War Dogs against the "oppressors" can only have one outcome: death and destruction across the globe. Those Vibranium weapons won't be used to negotiate peace or even to make African Americans less oppressed, because they will just cause bloodshed and conflict.

Aren't that all revolutionaries?

War and War and More War. They have valid points. But of course you don't create a new society through peace and holding hands. It's all through blood. Human history.

 

[Asgarin]

Edit 2:Updated up to Cap marvel(not done)
Edit: Added Infinity war and final total of BP, it had more gas in the tank than i thought and jumped 2 Places on the list

So, I've never really paid much attention to the Norwegian box office, since it's so small that it generally only matters to Norwegian movies.

But when comparing Black Panther to other Marvel movies I got interested in which superhero movies were most popular in Norway and made a list from BOMojo's numbers(unadjusted).I've included movies from 2000-2018.

Black Panther might have $200.000+ left, but is pretty much out of gas now.

I might have forgotten/missed some (almost missed Green lantern and Fantastic4 2015 since they were so far down the list )

I found the numbers rather interesting, so thought some of you might find it interesting also.

The Dark Knight Rises $7,472,346
The Dark Knight $6,641,010
Avengers:Infinity War $5,639,596
The Avengers $5,636,566
Iron Man 3 $5,330,071
Spider-Man $5,002,512
Avengers: Age of Ultron $4,770,579
Suicide Squad $4,382,359
Deadpool 2 $4,377,415
Deadpool $4,267,159
Black Panther $4,245,447
Spider-Man 2 $4,080,729
Spider-Man 3 $3,621,687
Aquaman $3,482,706
The Amazing Spider-Man $3,332,733
Batman v Superman $3,297,349
Guardians of the Galaxy $3,075,250
Man of Steel $3,045,792
Wonder Woman $2,857,232
Spider-Man: Homecoming $2,827,030
Captain Marvel $2,809,751
Thor: Ragnarok $2,752,563
X-Men: Days of Future Past $2,625,921
Thor: The Dark World $2,546,889
Captain America: Civil War $2,520,919
Gotg Vol. 2 $2,467,458
Logan $2,355,458
Iron Man 2 $2,287,507
Batman Begins $2,272,108
Venom $2,164,082
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 $2,050,825
Thor $2,026,533
Iron Man $1,855,671
Captain America: TWS $1,836,203
Superman Returns $1,734,029
Doctor Strange $1,725,391
The Wolverine $1,717,885
Justice League $1,593,457
The Incredible Hulk $1,532,085
Ant-Man and the Wasp $1,428,924
Captain America: TFA $1,413,442
X-Men: The Last Stand $1,409,341
X-Men: First Class $1,407,237
Ant-Man $1,363,039
X2: X-Men United $1,271,806
Fantastic Four $1,249,511
X-Men Origins: Wolverine $1,242,359
X-Men: Apocalypse $1,049,167
Hulk (2003) $1,021,419
Watchmen $936,115
Constantine $850,783
Spider-Man:Into the Spiderverse $817,163
Ghost Rider $797,174
Fantastic Four: Rise of SS $676,886
X-men $656,955
Green Lantern $650,373
Blade II $621,160
Daredevil $444,440
Fantastic Four (2015) $374,239
Blade: Trinity $315,525
Blade $273,874

 

[Pink Ranger]

So, I've never really paid much attention to the Norwegian box office, since it's so small that it generally only matters to Norwegian movies.

But when comparing Black Panther to other Marvel movies I got interested in which superhero movies were most popular in Norway and made a list from BOMojo's numbers(unadjusted).I've included movies from 2000-2018.

It must be so disappointing to see the Thor movies so far down the list.

 

[Asgarin]

The first Thor actually did best of the pre Avengers Mcu Movies, so I guess Our Viking Heritage shone through a little bit atleast

Edit: I also found it interesting how consistent the X-men films are-very stable fanbase

 

[KevTravels]

those Norwegians, rich mofos, I prefer my Vikings to be Swedish

Thanks for posting. My Stats teacher would thank you for providing so much data.

 

[chintai80]

I'd also say there are a lot of elements from Black Panther that are similar to what you might find in Asian period epic/action movies. Dynastic successions, trial by combat, honoring one's ancestors, plus crashing cars and destroying casinos, all these things resonate with Asian audiences.

being of chinese descent myself, i very much connected with these elements of the movie.

crashing cars and destroying casinos is a very hong kong cinema trope as well. lol.

i know there was some racist reviews by viewers in china - that is because they are unable to get past their own narrow-minded/uninformed biases.

lot of the themes i felt are universal. more connects us than divides us.

Also, from a Chinese perspective, consider the element of being a powerful nation that is not-white, and has to deal with a post-colonial world. . . or is it quite so post-colonial, given what China is doing in Africa of late?

yup, the theme of isolation vs opening up to the world is a thing china has grappled with thru its history.
there was a time back in the old days where china was the most technologically advanced country on earth but isolated itself.

europe eventually caught up, invaded and try to carve up and colonize china. they called us "yellow savages"

so when ulysses klawe kept referring to the wakandans as savages i was "ah i've heard this before..."