Discussion in 'The Avengers Sequels' started by DrCosmic, Jan 23, 2012.
I hope Black Panther looks like this:
As far as the Black Panther suit, I think it should be adaptive so that they could use all the looks.
What I mean by that is, the base suit would be classic Kirby, jet black, no ornations:
Then, he's climbing. Retractable fingertip and/or foot claws:
Those ornations on his forearms? Kimiyo Cards that can recess after use.
Maybe when he's in a fight, retractable knuckle claws:
You get my drift.
Obviously, a balance would need to be struck because you don't want it to come off as goofy, nor do you want it to come off as the the suit is really the power and not Black Panther himself. But in this manner, we can get all of the looks with one suit and have it make sense, with the added bonus of showing to the audience just how advanced Wakandan tech is simultaneously.
I've never been a fan of the kneeguards like the one in Boom's post. They're so big and obtrusive looking in every image of BP I've seen with them.
Mackie would make a good candidate for Falcon (as would Laz Alonso), but I can't see Mackie for BP.
I'd prefer an African or at least someone with direct African ties to get the lead role as opposed to an African-American. I feel like there's a very important distinction there.
I would love to see a Black Panther movie! I just hope Disney would let Marvel make it and make it well.
The idea of the boots and gauntlets having those sort of multi-claw set ups sounds pretty danged awesome. I also think there's a lot of power in keeping the costume sleek and black, though I do like the grooves, and a little ornamentation... but I think too much ruins it. The necklace with the Panther totem is more than enough for his battle uniform. But it also does make sense for him to have a more regal ceremonial uniform with all the bells and whistles and kneepads and whatever.
But there's something really powerful about just the blackness of the black panther. Don't want that spoiled so much.
There's an important distinction, but I don't think it applies to casting films. White Americans can play Europeans, regardless of if they have any actual ties to the country in question. Now there's a lot of questions to be had about African features and accents and such (another reason I like Hodge, because I've heard his African Accent enough to like it), but just on basis of heritage, I can't see that as relevant.
Mackie isn't quite right, I agree though. Too bad though, he's really good. I think he could redefine the character like RDJ did Stark.
I don't feel like Downey redefined Stark as much as he played up certain pre-established elements (charismatic playboy) over others. Still, he executed it with ease and aplomb.
I would describe what Snipes did with Blade as more of a redefinition. Blade had not been portrayed quite like that before the movies, and the mark they made on the character is indelible.
Any directors people have in mind for a BP film?
I think Antoine Fuqua (Training Day, Tears of the Sun, Shooter) would be fantastic with the right script behind him.
I like Fuqua a lot. He does need... creative resources, but if he has them, I think he'll do a very nice job. When I look at King Arthur and Brooklyn's Finest, the less received films of his, I see weak scripts that he couldn't save. I also see very strong performances, and a director who consistently pulls those is definitely worth having around. I also want someone who's shot a movie about/set in Africa before, which, I suppose is a tall order.
Another I would consider would be Neil Blokamp (District 9), if he's not busy on his own IPs. Maybe even Edward Zwick (Blood Diamond, Love and Other Drugs). I think there should definitely be an emphasis on character-strong directors, like Favreau and Branagh, and not necessarily, big action guys, or previous superhero movie experience. And some part of me still wants Michael Jai White in on this. Maybe just as a writer, or something.
I see what you're saying, that Downey's change was subtle, and not an overhaul, but I do consider that a redefinition.
Random Question, assuming we have a scene with young T'Challa. Does it work better at the beginning of the film, or a flashback at some crucial character development point?
Basically I think Denzel is the only guy they'll look at to play T'Chaka
And I hope they cast a very wide net when casting T'Challa, and are as open to casting an unknown actor as they were with Thor
I would go the route of aless established actor play T'Challa, like they did with Thor.
Djimon Honsou would be perfect for T'Chaka.
And after watching him on Spartacus, I think Peter Mensah would also be a great fit as well for T'Chaka
An actual African would be preferable. Granted I'm the same guy who would like to see a Dr. Doom and a Magneto with an accent. Isn't Black Panther from East Africa?
Denzel can do accents. The thing is, they won't go with an unknown lead unless they get a big name supporting cast. Thor had Hopkins and Portman.
I can't believe i'm just n ow seeing this thread. I might pass out if a BP movie is actually given the green light. As for casting choices, here are my top 3
1. Chiwetel Ejiofor
- He's perfect IMO..has an african heritage, has a martial arts background and some serious acting acumen. See 2012 and Redbelt. He's awesome.
2. Aldis Hodge
- Another young and talented actor who just needs the right role.
3. Michael B. Jordan.
He has the look and is pretty talented. Watch him in Chronicle.
T"Chaka : Denzel would be a dream but he's too expensive. 2nd choice would be Djimon Hounsou
Ulysses Klaw: Bryan Cranston
Director: Neil Blomkamp/Duncan Jones/Steve Mcqueen/ Antoine Fuqua
Could definitely work.
Fight coordinator, if nothing else.
I think we need a minimum 4 sequences of a pre-Panther T'Challa. Whether chronologically or flashback, I want em.
1. Klaw's murder of T'Chaka ultimately ending with T'Challa blowing Klaw's hand off.
2. A heart-to-heart between a young T'Challa and T'Chaka about the duties of leadership and tradition. T'Chaka has been established as a character rooted in the old ways of Wakandan tradition. T'Challa is more modern.
Thus T'Challa's breaks from some traditions in the effort of modernizing Wakanda should be an apparent source of tension to some in the narrative (M'Baku being one) and a touchstone conversation highlighting T'Chaka's principals in contrast to T'Challa's later actions will make the conflict crystal clear.
In the end, be it the movie or a franchise, if we're so lucky, T'Challa should be progressing towards integrating the past with the future (Shadow Physics, as a symbolic example), and thus becoming the ideal leader of his people.
3.T'Challa's studying abroad. This can be a montage or something, but I want it clearly shown that before anything, T'Challa is a genius, one of the smartest men in the MCU.
4. The rites of Black Panther. I want to see all of it. No offhanded mentions. Show him taking on the 18 champions of the of Wakandan tribes, his walkabout (minus his encounter with Storm, due to obvious rights issues), dueling S'yan, the ingestion of the herb; the whole deal.
Mensah for S'yan, perhaps? I think that character could afford to be beefed up a little in a film, serve in a counselor role for T'Challa.
Additionally, in this role, Mensah can give a great fight scene when T'Challa duels him for the throne.
^Wow. Peter Mensah as S'yan? That would be... well... utterly awesome. He really could play T'Chaka, especially if the part is notably brief, and leave S'Yan for the 'big name' type. But yeah, either as T'Chaka or S'Yan, I need Peter Mensah to fight the Black Panther. Dang. That's epic.
Another big name to consider for T'Chaka would be Will Smith. He has an older look now, and would fulfill the desired 'guy who can sell tickets' thing. I wish Morgan Freeman did action for real, that'd be pretty sweet.
Nice picks. Would have never thought of Jordan. I think he skews a bit younger than I'd want. Perhaps he'd be best for a young Ejiofor, I dunno. Honestly, the only reason I wouldn't want Hodge is because I don't want it to mess up Leverage in any way.
Very nice, Cranston can do anything, imho. Never thought of Duncan Jones. Who's Steve Mcqueen?
Of course! That's it. And maybe cast him as M'Baka since that fight will be his coup de grace anyway.
I do like the tradition vs modernism concept, especially with both the father and villain espousing tradition, and I think that's a theme we haven't seen in superhero films before, so very nice... Shadow Physics seems like quite a bit for a first film, after, we've got to have some clever vibranium usage too, y'know?
I'm not sure everything has to be shown, but there certainly does need to be a process. One concern I have is that there is little tension in the duel with S'Yan. Their closeness and his age don't drive home great challenge. So it has to come early in the story, but at the same time, we have to have some set up to care.
I think starting with the tail end of the walkabout, a young man with a lot of checks in his passport, fluent in several languages, casually hacking/programming things on his tablet, kindhearted to children, perhaps a passing reference to where he's from, coming back home through an airport after a long time. From there, through him, we are introduced to a 'new' Wakanda, things have changed, M'Baka on the throne, his mother, uncle and sister in hiding. We get flashbacks to his father's training and murder early on. He is coached by/defeats S'Yan to claim the Black Panther title to challenge M'Baka. Klaw shows up throws the fight against him. T'Challa has to flee to save his companions. During that second act he battles the Wakandan tribes (perhaps just 3 or 4), builds the Dora Milaje, Ingests the Herb, consults (herb-produced vision?) the Panther God and updates the costume. When he gets back to the capital for the third act, he basically whoops several levels of butt, including brilliantly utilizing his personnel resources.
Y'know, looking at it that way, there's not much need for Everett Ross or Monica Lynne or audience proxy. T'Challa is the newbie to the 'new' Wakanda. Though, some things would still need to be explained, I suspect.
I think Mads Mikkelsen, from Casino Royale would make a good Klaw
He would... I think the challenge is finding a big enough 'name' to help sell the film. Mikkelsen could certainly do a bangup job, but I don't know if putting his name in the trailer would get anyone to come see the film. Same with Bryan Cranston, I guess.
Which 'big name' would you tab for klaw?
Michael Clarke Duncan for Man Ape
MCD would own, and I also like the idea of M'Baka being a contemporary of T'Chaka, lending to the traditionalism thing.
I honestly don't have a really good suggestion for Klaw. Jason Isaacs was the best I could come up with, but I liked the suggestions of people like Viggo Mortensen and Liam Nesson, though it's unlikely that those guys would go for villains, which I guess kinda raises the problem with the idea of big name villains. So... maybe it's not possible, but it's something on my mind, I guess.
How about Sharlto Copley, the South African who was so awesome in District 9 and played Murdock in the A-Team movie?
He certainly has the chops for Klaw. It'd be interesting to see what he would do with the character. Seems a bit young though, not sure how they'd make him look youn-er to kill T'Chaka.
Still not exactly a big name. He still better known as "that guy from...". For some reason the only 'big name' villains in superhero movies I can think of are Liam Nesson in Batman Begins, Kevin Spacey in Superman Returns and John Travolta in one of the Punisher movies. Clearly a 'big name' villain is a bit of a hit or miss thing, and perhaps not really necessary.
One good thing about having Copely as Klaw is that, provided people don't mind a slight alteration to the character's background, he could actually get to use his South African accent. It would add to the African feel of the film. As for whether he'd be old enough to match wits with T'Chaka, well wouldn't most of T'Chaka's scenes be when he's still relatively young and T'Challa is still a boy? I prefer that T'Challa doesn't become Black Panther straight away but waits a few years to grow up before taking on the mantle and going after Klaw.
Hodge might not be bad as T'Challa. He certainly would pull off the intelligent side of T'Challa, and can do the accent. It's important that whoever plays T'Challa doesn't look overly young that it's more like Panther Boy. Hodge is in his 20s, but it's difficult to tell his age exactly.
For Man Ape, the person who comes to mind is Michael Clark Duncan. He would have the size to pull off that role.
As for Panther's costume, I'm hoping that it has a slight bluish tint to it - enough that in some light it can look like blackish-blue, and in other light just pure black. That would give him that classic look to his costume from the 70s where they would colour it blue because of printing difficulties.
Yea, Copley is definitely in character actor territory to general audiences.
As far as age, once Klaw's made of pure sound, would he really age? Maybe we just go from his fight with T'Chaka and amputation, to him returning years later, looking the same, but with powers unbeknownst to T'Challa and the audience until the reveal, thus making "aging" him a non-issue.
T'chaka : adelwale akinnuoye agbaje. T'chala: michael jai white
I would say Jean Dujardin (The Artist) is pretty much guaranteed the role of Batroc if he wants it.
N'Gassi - Joe Morton or Morgan Freeman