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today I bought a donut...it was awesome.
Now for god's sake will someone spoiler me up!
Now for god's sake will someone spoiler me up!
The Ether said:what kind of donut was it?
GNR4Life said:anyone who didn't pick up Iron Fist shall be flogged and executed
bored said:The owner/one of the only employees of my LCS got married this week, so it isn't open yet for me to pick anything up. Was "Immortal Iron Fist" amazing? Tell me it was, or I shall be ever so sad.
Trust me, you wouldn't say that if you had to wade through almost 8 pages of ads for 1 of comic. You'd probably wait for the trade. Like I said, with trades and illegal DLing, Marvel needs to sit and think about how annoying too many ads can be. Over 10 is noticeable, over 15 is obnoxious, past the story page count is almost obscene. You can't claim the comic is of the "quality" that Marvel explains they want when claiming why CIVIL WAR is late.Darthphere said:You know something, a comic book can have 40 adds for all I care, as long as the price stays down.
Dread said:Trust me, you wouldn't say that if you had to wade through almost 8 pages of ads for 1 of comic. You'd probably wait for the trade. Like I said, with trades and illegal DLing, Marvel needs to sit and think about how annoying too many ads can be. Over 10 is noticeable, over 15 is obnoxious, past the story page count is almost obscene. You can't claim the comic is of the "quality" that Marvel explains they want when claiming why CIVIL WAR is late.
Darthphere said:Would you rather pay $4.99 for a 22 page comic with 10 ads or $2.99 for a 22 page with 26 ads? Removing the aspect of trades, seems like a no brainer.
PWN3R RANGER said:Batman/The Spirit was truly wonderful. Cooke is so talented. If you can afford this, there is no reason why you shouldn't pick it up.
10/10
Darthphere said:Would you rather pay $4.99 for a 22 page comic with 10 ads or $2.99 for a 22 page with 26 ads? Removing the aspect of trades, seems like a no brainer.
So why aren't you trade-waiting? I spent 27 dollars today. If keeping the price down means extra ads during november and december (when I'm already spending a lot), I'll take it.Mistress Gluon said:I'd pay 10 for NO ads.
GNR4Life said:anyone who didn't pick up Iron Fist shall be flogged and executed
The Ether said:Iron Fist #1 - This book is just a judo chop full of awesomeness, pick it up cause I know I am.
and that's all I gotten so far. ....yeah.
bored said:The owner/one of the only employees of my LCS got married this week, so it isn't open yet for me to pick anything up. Was "Immortal Iron Fist" amazing? Tell me it was, or I shall be ever so sad.
Dread said:IMMORTAL IRON FIST #1: Marvel's latest attempt to relaunch a character who was red-hot maybe 30 years ago and ever since has struggled to maintain a team or solo title, and who has remained within the public eye via frequent guest appearences (like Dr. Strange and Namor). CIVIL WAR, for all it's faults, resulted in his resurgance in the fan's eyes as he was revealed as impersonating Daredevil while Murdock was in prison (or was that just Brubaker being clever around the same time?), so Marvel is smelling another MOON KNIGHT-esque moderate hit with this. However, for once Marvel does something bright; Brubaker also writes CAPTAIN AMERICA, UNCANNY X-MEN, DAREDEVIL, CRIMINAL, and this, which is a lot for any writer to handle in a timely fashion. So, they attach a co-writer from the start in Fraction. Smart move. Now if only they did this with artists, it'd be full competance and flexing with market realities. A month ago, I didn't know who Fraction was. But last week he put out PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #1, a CW tie-in launch that was far better than I expected it, so now his co-writing credit is a postive for the book in my eyes. Iron Fist's not as gritty as Punisher, but he needs some grit otherwise he comes off cheesy. Aja, fresh off stints on DAREDEVIL, does art and he's a natural for the kinetic pace of Iron Fist; he streamlined the costume slightly by converting the "ballet slippers" to toed yellow ninja boots, which works (I could have stood to see the yellow collar go, but that's just me). He also uses dark scenery and shadows to make Rand stand out amungst his enemies while not seeming like he glows in the dark, a trick Aja played up with Daredevil, who only has a bright red costume. Like most first issues, there is a recap of his origin so that a new fan can understand what the character is about and a hint at the first arc, which promises to embellish his backstory heavilly. In this way, the flashback is welcome without seeming obligatory.
I've always liked Iron Fist, although the most I read of him as a kid was the H4H series from Ostrander & Ferry they put out in the late 90's. Probably because his mask was simular in the eyes to Spider-Man's and the fist is a good visual. Admittedly, the only thing of Brubaker's I've probably read was maybe his worst current work; DEADLY GENESIS, an X-mini marred by lateness, Marvel spoilers, and yet more retcons and tacked on stuff to an X-mythos already waterlogged with that crap. But so far he's doing well here. Rather than "retcon", he's simply embellishing on something from Rand's origin that no writer really has before; that K'un L'un had past "Iron Fists" and their lives were simply never embellished before; a gold mine for a writing team who may feel that Marvel needs a good legacy character and Iron Fist is a goldmine for that due to this. They also set up his ancient enemies, Master Khan and Steel-Serpant (Davos). They use the past to almost have Rand requestion his lot in life again; basically, a solict for this series could seem almost like Marvel's last stab at it a few years ago, only infinately better. Second time within the new millenium may be the charm here. Iron Fist basically reveals that a business company that almost tried to worm their way into his is allied with Hydra, and he engages in rooftop battles against a horde of soldiers and a "Mechagorgan", which symbolizes the dragon in his origin. From seeing Punisher take on robot toys in Fraction's P:WJ#1, I wonder if this was his idea. He's a man who doesn't feel the need to "apologize" for some comic book traditions, and more power to that. Elsewhere, we get a glimpse at Bei Ming-Tian, the Iron Fist from 1227, and Orson Randall, an Iron Fist from 1915 who's been missing since 1933, and targetted by the power-covetting Steel-Serpant. Considering that Danny's father was named Wendall Rand, I wonder if Orson may be some kind of relation; after all, his father was also searching for K'un L'un, he simply got lost and ended up murdered. This issue is a good example of how to EMBELLISH rather than retcon and have it all work out, although, like I said, Iron Fist was perhaps a rare example as miraculously, no writer has complicated this matter before (he's been killed, replaced by a plant man, and so forth if you want complications). A good first issue that wants you hungry for more. To give Marvel credit, the past couple of years they've seemed eager to try to get their past characters right; first MOON KNIGHT, DR. STRANGE: OATH, and now this. Plus, NOVA is serging into A-list and even the New Warriors have a future again.
The major downside? Adverts. 26 in total, with 22 pages of story. No two page splashes are effected but there's a gazillion for Element PC from Honda. After the first few pages it just becomes almost glaring at times. A year ago Joe Q promised that at the end of the year, this overkill of ads would never happen, but this year he basically admits, in bloated business-speak, "we already cashed their checks, so grin and bare it, money-givers". The end of the year is when the ads are bought or something, so they usually are at their worst now. But when ad pages outnumber the story pages, it gets glaring (and I didn't even count the back covers). Note that this is a Marvel that uses the term "comic book quality" as a blanket excuse for why any and every book that happens to be late is late; we can't do a fill-in, or demand our writer imagine our audience is as important as a TV audience, or demand an artist who is late on interiors NOT do covers for other comics/magazines, but rather we'll just sit and wait and tell y'all to shut up and delay your dollars to us because we care about overall quality." Well, how can you claim a comic with 26 pages of ads next to 22 of story is of "high quality"? Especially when some of those ads just repeat themselves (one Honda ad is fine; a good 3-4 placed about is overkill). Because it gives the impression that "quality" is used only as an excuse and that Marvel cares far more about ad dollars than fan satisfation; how can you say a comic that has an ad every other page at times is of "high quality"? MAD magazine, who usually give snappy answers to letter writers, claimed this month, "we love our readers, but we love money even more", and I wish Joe Q would admit this. Because it is becoming very obvious. As comics move on there is less and less reason to buy monthlies anymore. The industry creators always point to the trade when they need an excuse for how a story is of high quality when it's months behind, or clogged with ads, etc. The trades are cheaper and easier to store. Only impatience and nostalgia keep the monthlies as the lynchpin of the comic industry, and Marvel all but dares their audience sometimes to ruin that. Why?
Besides, who ever heard of Honda ads in comics before? Talk about misreading a demographic. DVD's, video games, toys, etc, they all are reaching the target audience. But a NEW CAR!? Surely someone could rationally explain that comic books are a poor place to troll for car buyers, but a Honda marketter seemed not to care, and Joe Q couldn't cash their check fast enough.
Bottom line? IMMORTAL IRON FIST #1 is good, but it's presented format is not, and I hope the ad issue gets under control. I mean, they were able to have a mere 8 in the last issue of ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN. Surely you don't want to make a debut issue more of a hassle to read than it has to be.
Roughneck said:I guess I need to be Flogged...but I did buy:
Wolverine #48 - This was actually a lot better than I though it would be, it's a nice set up by Guggenheim for his next run on Wolverine......clever little minx that one. It brings up a few more questions, adds another element to Wolverine....People are gonna be upset but really this does make sense. Oh it explains what happens to Wolverine when he gets fried down to nothing
52 #30 - Actually a pretty slow week in 52, though it gave us a nice good bit with Batman, Robin and Nightwing.....
X-men #193 - Flipped through it, still coulnd't get past the art.
Guy Gardner: Collateral Damage #1 - PICK OF THE WEEK....this was by far the best comic I got this week....plus I love Guy, he's such an ass.
Reviews to come in a few minutes as I read them, but not for x-men as I haven't read any of this Bachalo crap yet.
and some TPBs
Runaways Digest Vol 6 -
Justice Like Lightning...Thunderbolts -
Captain America Red Menace Vol 2 -
Skrull Kill Krew -
yenale said:Also Dread's and other peoples loving of Iron Fist has convinced me to pick it up tomorrow. Yay for Marvel.
MaskedManJRK said:52 Week 30: Pretty good stuff. Very interesting how Batman is "no more." I just wonder how Bruce gets Bats back in time for OYL?
Batman/Spirit: Awesome. Just recently gotten more into The Spirit, so it was cool seeing him walk around in the modern world now. Cool stuff. I also love how Spirit never believes that Batman is the real deal.
The Punisher X-Mas: Am I the only one who picked this up? It was pretty damn good--surprising since most of the Christmas specials with Punisher haven't been that good. Still, great stuff.
The Punisher 41: Very good, I was surprised by