Bought/Thought 12/12/12 "Dying Young in the Marvel U" edition *SPOILERS*

It was only a matter of time before NOW laid an egg. This week it laid two. There still Superior Spider-Man and Young Avengers to come. Plus New Avengers and the Secret Avengers relaunch but I may skip both off those.
 
Thunderbolts was the worst so far, in my opinion.
 
I didn't read that yet in case it spoils the end of War Zone.
 
Great group of characters for a team, ****** first issue. Hopefully it picks up.
 
Thunderbolts was the worst so far, in my opinion.
Avengers Arena is the worst IMO. And from the sounds of it, Hopeless' Cable & X-Force sounds pretty bad too. I didn't find Thunderbolts all that bad, just kinda dull because all it was, was an issue dealing with gathering the members.

I don't see the book lasting all that long, Thunderbolts has been a rather poor selling title for quite some time and unless it's a major character like Wolverine or Deadpool, Daniel Way's books do horribly as well.
 
I liked Cable and X-Force more than Thunderbolts. Cable and X-Force was a meh for me while I disliked Thunderbolts. I actually kinda liked Avengers Arena. Think about it hippie, they can't actually be killing these characters. If you knew they weren't actually dying, this would be a fun little mindless title.
 
I actually kinda liked Avengers Arena. Think about it hippie, they can't actually be killing these characters. If you knew they weren't actually dying, this would be a fun little mindless title.

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If it turns out these characters aren't actually dying and it's not handled in a hacky way, how will you feel about this title?
 
Because it then turns from one comic that I hate because it kills great characters just for the sake of shock and awe into a comic that I hate because it has no consequences. You should have seen how I reacted when the fight in Breaking Dawn Part 2 turned out to be a vision.
 
If Arena is fake it still makes it just as bad because either way Marvel is tweaking their fans for sales.
 
I'm assuming you guys didn't read X-Men Legacy. That issue was nearly unbearable.
 
I think Cable and X-force has potential. It seems like it's going to be a pretty cool crime thriller. And it's making Hope likeable and will hopefully give Colossus an interesting role. It'll be cool to see the connection from Uncanny Avengers. And that cover to #6! I hope Arena isn't killing any support for this book.
 
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Cable & X-Force definately has potential. That's why I'm sticking with it for now. Legacy I'm only giving 2 more issue max. Bad story, bad art. If I didn't already love Legion and if Chamber wasn't guest staring... I'd have been gone after issue 1.
 
See I'm sooooo tempted to pick up Legacy, but the only thing that interests me are the covers. It has the best covers in Marvel Now. But I just don't know if I want to spend the money to see if I like it.
 
See I'm sooooo tempted to pick up Legacy, but the only thing that interests me are the covers. It has the best covers in Marvel Now. But I just don't know if I want to spend the money to see if I like it.

Where as Avengers Arena is all about escapism, X-Men Legacy feels like it's much more in the other direction. I loved it; but, I know it's not for everyone. Legion as a main character is a hard sell; and, this book is much more like DC's Swamp Thing in it's tone.
 
Because it then turns from one comic that I hate because it kills great characters just for the sake of shock and awe into a comic that I hate because it has no consequences. You should have seen how I reacted when the fight in Breaking Dawn Part 2 turned out to be a vision.

I feel like that's jumping the gun, too. I feel like there's more to this book than meets the eye. The first issue has me interested enough to see it through, at least for a few more issues. It'll also give me more of an opportunity to read some of these supposedly awesome characters...

Before they get killed off. :o But again, I don't think they'll get killed and I'll probably end up buying wherever they pop up next, making this series super successful in drawing up interest for these otherwise low selling characters.
 
I doubt this series will be super successful. It's made up of characters from low selling books like Runaways and Avengers Academy with the Avengers brand being far too overstretched. So instead of advertising the book for the small, but incredibly consistent and loyal fanbase, Marvel has done everything it can to antagonize them. This book is going to crash hard because new people aren't going to jump onto the book after the initial issues because they don't have interest to begin with and the fans of Runaways and Avengers Academy aren't going to stick around because they're pissed off and rightfully so.
 
I liked Cable and X-Force more than Thunderbolts. Cable and X-Force was a meh for me while I disliked Thunderbolts. I actually kinda liked Avengers Arena. Think about it hippie, they can't actually be killing these characters. If you knew they weren't actually dying, this would be a fun little mindless title.

Wow. I just caught up on the last five issues of Parker's Dark Avengers, then I read Thunderbolts. I'm tired of Parker's writing; and, his version of Thunderbolts was almost unreadable. The newest issue was much better, though. (Still, having the Man-Thing talk was just wrong.)

Now, Thunderbolts was exactly what I wanted. The biggest mistake might be using the Thunderbolts name. I loved Daniel Ways Punisher, and this is what this is. General Ross is finally as he should be. He's a leader. (It makes better sense than Luke Cage.)
 
Onward with spoilers!

DREAD'S BOUGHT/THOUGHT FOR 12/12/12:

TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES #17: A mere fortnight after the previous issue shipped at the end of November, IDW's exceptional recreation of the TMNT franchise continues onward with a new artist to introduce a new story arc. While Dan Duncan forged a distinct feel for the series drawing it for a year, Andy Kuhn drew the previous four issues and now Ben Bates is on board for at the very least this latest story line. Having mostly drawn for various ARCHIE COMICS titles over the years, Bates has a more mainstream style to his pencils than Kuhn did which matches well with Ronda Pattison's regular color work. Writers Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz build from the end of their last arc while continuing their long term subplot involving General Krang and Baxtor Stockman, as well as mingling characters from the 1987 cartoon series with an homage to the earlier Mirage Studios material. This series has chosen to imitate the late 80's cartoon in terms of having Krang be a warlord from Dimension X seeking to conquer planet Neutrino with an armada of advance technology and genetically created rock soldiers. The Fugitoid was remade as one of the Neutrinos and in this series the characters of Dask, Kala, and Zak are remade from being "hot rodding teenagers from Dimension X" to rebel fighters seeking to defend their king as well as their world from Krang. To this end they stumble upon the Ninja Turtles, Casey and April as they seek to investigate Stockman's more nefarious operations and naturally a battle ensues. All of the Turtles seemed split in different directions after their battle against Slash and are recovering from it in different ways. Splinter seeks to unify their unit, which is foreboding given the finale to the issue. Aforementioned finale actually does a good job of paying homage to the end of the original TMNT #4 from 1985, with the Turtles and some opponents being accidentally zapped into space. The artwork is terrific, the action is kinetic and all of the characters feel distinct. The Neutrinos themselves appear to be stock rebel fighters, but at least they're not irritating as they were in the cartoon. While Peter Laird was often unhappy with the compromises to the original cartoon and mostly avoided them in things he produced, Eastman has been willing to embrace some of them, which is in part why this series has been successful for IDW. The other part is, naturally, terrific writing and great art, which is a tradition this issue continues. Ninja Turtle fans new and old always have much to enjoy with this series, month in and month out.

ARCHER & ARMSTRONG #5: Valiant Entertainment's relaunch of a beloved 90's franchise, along with writer Fred Van Lente's spiritual sequel to INCREDIBLE HERCULES begins its second arc with a new artist in tow. Emanuela Lupacchino takes over for Clayton Henry, with colors by Matt Milla and inks by Guillermo Ortego, which matches the style established for the series by Henry nicely. Having accidentally caused the death of an ancient mystic called the Geomancer in the previous issue, Archer and his immortal ally Armstrong are now on the run from the Geomancer's personal avenger. Unfortunately, he is Armstrong's equally immortal brother Gilad, who is doggedly determined and immune to both injury and compromise. Thus the unlikely duo have to seek to escape and survive battles with Gilad while finding a way out of this situation. Much like with previous issues, Van Lente offers enjoyable dialogue between his tag team of heroes which can shift from heartfelt to hilarious on a dime. The next issue promises to introduce the next Geomancer, which will likely produce more hilarious results. There are plans to have all of the Valiant comic books mingle with each other as time goes on, which could be a shame if it interrupts the flow of this one, which is quite excellent. Any misty eyed fans of INCREDIBLE HERCULES who missed the chance to read this merely let their pro-Marvel bias show, or their shops unfortunately under-ordered it. Either reason is no excuse to avoid tracking down the latest buddy adventure comic by Fred Van Lente.

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #699.1: Essentially MORBIUS THE LIVING VAMPIRE #0, which launches officially next month. It is co-written by Dan Slott and Joe Keatinge, who is going to helm the ongoing series, with artwork by Valante Delandro with a couple of pages by Marco Checchetto. It covers the break out from ASM #699 before essentially establishing that Morbius capitalizes on the chaos to escape and go over his origin in his mind again for the benefit of those in the audience who don't recall it. Keatinge naturally embellishes a bit from the old 1970's origin to lay out his central theme - that Morbius is a tragic monster and not entirely evil, just a sick person who circumstance has not been kind to who has become mutated into a monster. That's often been Morbius status quo - at least when he hasn't merely been used as a standard vampire villain - and he seems to hail from a time just before Marvel started being bolder about horror during the comics code era, since he's a "living vampire" and not the genuine article. While this doesn't entirely forge new ground, it sets the tone right and actually put me in the right mood to give MORBIUS #1 a try next month when I otherwise may not have. I doubt it will last terribly long, though, as this is one of Marvel's more ambitious launches in a while. Morbius barely lasted a few years in the 90's and I don't think vampire mania is going to help him now.

DARK AVENGERS #184: In which the various left over characters have wound up in a parallel universe in which Iron Man, Dr. Strange and apparently Ben Grimm have sliced up America into territories they control violently. This is perhaps the 3rd or 4th time Jeff Parker has majorly reshuffled his cast since starting on this title in its' Thunderbolts days, and this time Moonstone is the sole survivor. He and artist Neil Edwards do some world-building here and it's better than "Luke Cage as Judge Dredd" was, although it isn't anywhere near Parker's prime on this title or even AGENTS OF ATLAS material. This series is beginning to bore me and it may be about time I let it go...at least after I see what comes of John Walker.

IRON MAN #4: Kieron Gillen continues on his entertaining run of Iron Man, but his worst enemy remains Greg Land's "art". In one segment of the book Pepper Potts asks Tony, "Do we [women] all look the same to you?" It's supposed to be comedic but with Land's art, one can't help Tony from being unable to tell anyone apart. Later on in the book when Iron Man faces off against some Extremis created demon women, they ALL look identical (and like Emma Frost), yet they're not supposed to be. This is a shame because Gillen is telling a simple yet effective opening arc which all ties together as a whole yet offers decent monthly episodes so it doesn't drag. This is a 7 out of 10 book, but it might be 8 or 9 out of ten with virtually any other artist.

SCARLET SPIDER #12:With Christmas less than a fortnight away (and the shopping for it seeming to last longer and longer every year), series writer Chris Yost has chosen to bookend his first year on this relaunch of a 90's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN spin off with a tale dripping with the flavor of the holidays. Thankfully because his lead character - the reformed but still violent and angry clone Kaine - hardly embodies things such as tripe cliches or maudlin morality, the result is an action packed comedic romp of an issue. Regular artist Khoi Pham takes a break and is filled in by Reilly Brown, whose pencils have always proven reliable for action/comedy stories in INCREDIBLE HERCULES and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (among others). Besides the art and the Christmas theme, what carries this issue is what is presented on the cover; the supporting cast Yost has crafted for his hero. Many ongoing titles and/or franchises struggle to give their lead a strong and defined supporting cast, which is at their peril. BLADE, arguably, has suffered that problem for decades. The concept of Kaine becoming a superhero in Houston, Texas and getting handed Ben Reilly's old code name is difficult enough to initially swallow; yet it has survived beyond a year based in no small part to Yost's balanced cast.

As a done in one story, things are kept simple and Kaine's supporting cast are spotlighted more than the titular hero himself. Coming off the heels of the MINIMUM CARNAGE crossover with VENOM, Kaine has seen some bizarre otherworldly stuff and once again decided to give up being a masked vigilante. Unfortunately, he has chosen to get himself drunk just as a gang of robbers decide to steal a "once in a lifetime" fortune in diamonds being held at the luxury hotel in which Kaine lives. The robbers all dress as Santa Claus and all seem to give each other similarly themed code-names in radio communications. It is left to the psychic mystery girl Aracely, bartender/singer Annabelle Adams, police officer Wally Layton and his husband, Dr. Donald Meland to stall the robbers long enough to survive and for Kaine to sober up. While the conclusion of this caper isn't in any doubt, Yost and Brown sell it via sheer execution. The dialogue is crisp, the one-liners are fast and furious, and all of the characters are displayed distinctly. While they're a motley bunch, and Kaine is hardly an ideal superhero, that's the hook of the series; these diverse characters who have found themselves in Houston and become a family of sorts. Brown's artwork is as strong as ever, and enhanced by the inks of Terry Pallot and the colors of Andres Mossa.

Overall, this issue perfectly embodies this series' strengths and why it has lasted a year (and beyond) in a very rough and competitive market. It has defied expectations and produced something which is unique to the current slate of mainstream Marvel superhero titles, and followed the tradition begun by Rick Remender on VENOM. It proves that not all relaunches of faded 90's franchises have to be empty exercises to maintain a trademark, but are opportunities for something original and exciting. Chris Yost continues to cement his position as solid solo writer without frequent collaborator Craig Kyle alongside him. While it may not be the best comic ever (but seriously, what is), SCARLET SPIDER is a mainstream Marvel superhero comic which doesn't seem as if it were pitched, concocted, and carried out via a corporate assembly line, and is one to embrace accordingly.

WINTER SOLDIER #13: Ed Brubaker's final arc on anything mainstream Marvel for a while continues as "Widow Hunt" sees Hawkeye, Wolverine, and Cap trying to prevent a brainwashed James Barnes from assassinating Daredevil. Barnes' ploy to expose himself to his old Commie programming to get a bead on Black Widow backfires and while he is eventually freed, he naturally gets a tongue lashing from his allies. Wolverine continues his hypocrisy for lecturing someone else for becoming a brainwashed assassin when it seems that happens to Logan every few years - and I imagine Logan's actually killed far more people under such circumstances at both SHIELD and abroad (such as Hornet from SLINGERS). Regardless, the ducks are pulled in a row for what seems to be an exciting conclusion to this caper. It's always been obvious that Brubaker's heart was with this character, and it is a shame he is leaving Barnes for now. Butch Guice's artwork is up to its usual standards and I imagine and hope the finale to this run will be better than the finale to CAPTAIN AMERICA was.
 
RE: AVENGERS ARENA #1

I didn't buy this nor read it completely, but I did flip through it in the shop. I saw enough to realize it catered more to my worse fears revolving the book than any hope that Dennis Hopeless would rise above the premise. The problem with the series for me is the premise is flawed and backwards. It imitates far better stories and seeks to use death as a cheap stunt per issue. X-STATIX once mocked that sort of thing, but this is played serious. More to the point, this plays to what Marvel always seems to do with "newer" characters. And I use this term loosely. Don't look now, but X-23 is roughly a decade old. The RUNAWAYS are at least 6-8 years old now, and Darkhawk has been around roughly 20 years. Yet in a universe which still relies heavily on characters created during the 1940's, 1960's and 1970's, these are still "rookies". And since the older characters always retain their positions, young characters never have anywhere to go but limbo or death. It is a vicious cycle and that is why few fans ever give newer characters a chance. At the first sign of struggle Marvel slaughters any new character they have.

Does anyone realize that the newest character who has managed to become "mainstream" popular to the point that he/she sustained multiple ongoing titles over many years, appeared in various alternate media adaptations and is recognized by a large group of mainstream audiences around Marvel is Deadpool, and even he was a creation of the 1980's? When your newest "breakout star" is pushing 25, that's a sign new ideas are being stamped in the cradle. By mainstream comic book logic, VHS is a "new innovation". You could argue the second closest is X-23, as she has appeared in two animated TV series as well as a video game in addition to some mini's and an ongoing series, yet even she's wasting her time in grind house dreck like this?

It wasn't just who Hopeless axes off in the first issue, or how he does it. It's that he did all that while catering to a tired Hollywood cliche, "the black guy always dies first". Now, perhaps expecting Hopeless to write a rip-off slaughterfest plot with any sort of innovation was a tall order, but this debut ended all hope of that.

I am aghast that despite all the investment Christos Gage put into AVENGERS ACADEMY, most of those characters will be stains on a spreadsheet while the creations of Allen Heinberg - a TV writer who only saw comics as a paid hobby, yet Marvel waited 5 years for a very mediocre and overrated 9 issue maxi series follow up to YOUNG AVENGERS - are safe and getting a stab at a relaunch from Kieron Gillen. Why do Marvel feel the need to break apart these franchises and mingle the pieces? The RUNAWAYS sell as a group, not as individual characters. Same with the Academy cadets or the Young Avengers. For god's sakes, why must they treat everything like the ****ing X-Men which has been so run into the ground by 20 years of milking that even IT has to be duct taped to the Avengers with all the skill and grace of a gorilla on acid with a staple gun? Times like these I don't understand Marvel at all.

Suffice it to say, I didn't buy it. I am trying to limit the comics I buy which deliberately piss me off at the onset. That is why I don't buy Fraction or Bendis comics anymore. And hence why I won't buy ARENA. It's good to knew that all the time I invested in Academy is worth less to Marvel than a cliffhanger scene, but at least I'll have the memories.

As for the "nobody stays dead" thing, the caveat is the characters who get revived tend to be the ones with some sort of fan base behind them to warrant a resurrection, as well as iconic status. The only other way is an editing mistake resurrection, i.e. "Standard Bendis NEW AVENGERS Procedure". Steve Rogers is immortal; you cannot kill him off forever. Hornet is a nobody only SLINGERS fans gave a damn about, so Wolverine can decapitate him off panel and nothing comes of it. Craig Kyle and Chris Yost turned ACADEMY X into a slaughterhouse of despair and dead potential. Even out of the NEW MUTANTS - the "new characters" of 30 years ago - only Cannonball has been steadily and consistently promoted. Generation X has fared worse and after that is merely fodder for Handbook trivia games. Marvel know full well about this which is why they've chosen the cast for ARENA they have. There'll be no clamoring for Darkhawk or Nico to come back in the same manner as there is for, say, when Thor is axed off at the end of an event.

On the whole, Marvel isn't as grim and humorless as DC has become. But that's still often like being Moe of the Three Stooges - smart only when compared to a bigger idiot. Surely there is a place for newer characters, characters created after the Reagan administration, than limbo or killing fields. Potential is a shame to waste just for a cheap stunt to capitalize on a flash in the pan movie.
 
I really liked X-STATIX. That was a great satirical comic. It seems strange that Marvel even put that title out. I don't think they would do a title like that these days.
Cable & X-Force definately has potential. That's why I'm sticking with it for now. Legacy I'm only giving 2 more issue max. Bad story, bad art. If I didn't already love Legion and if Chamber wasn't guest staring... I'd have been gone after issue 1.
I so wanted to like Legacy because I like Legion and Chamber but its so awful and unengaging.
I doubt this series will be super successful. It's made up of characters from low selling books like Runaways and Avengers Academy with the Avengers brand being far too overstretched. So instead of advertising the book for the small, but incredibly consistent and loyal fanbase, Marvel has done everything it can to antagonize them. This book is going to crash hard because new people aren't going to jump onto the book after the initial issues because they don't have interest to begin with and the fans of Runaways and Avengers Academy aren't going to stick around because they're pissed off and rightfully so.
I wonder if one day soon Marvel is going to do a mass cull of Avengers titles like they did when they thought there was too many X-Men titles?

I wish Marvel would do a half and half title with Young Avengers and The Runaways. Half an issue in one book with a good creative team on each title.
 
Onward with spoilers!

SCARLET SPIDER #12:With Christmas less than a fortnight away (and the shopping for it seeming to last longer and longer every year), series writer Chris Yost has chosen to bookend his first year on this relaunch of a 90's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN spin off with a tale dripping with the flavor of the holidays. Thankfully because his lead character - the reformed but still violent and angry clone Kaine - hardly embodies things such as tripe cliches or maudlin morality, the result is an action packed comedic romp of an issue. Regular artist Khoi Pham takes a break and is filled in by Reilly Brown, whose pencils have always proven reliable for action/comedy stories in INCREDIBLE HERCULES and AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (among others). Besides the art and the Christmas theme, what carries this issue is what is presented on the cover; the supporting cast Yost has crafted for his hero. Many ongoing titles and/or franchises struggle to give their lead a strong and defined supporting cast, which is at their peril. BLADE, arguably, has suffered that problem for decades. The concept of Kaine becoming a superhero in Houston, Texas and getting handed Ben Reilly's old code name is difficult enough to initially swallow; yet it has survived beyond a year based in no small part to Yost's balanced cast.

As a done in one story, things are kept simple and Kaine's supporting cast are spotlighted more than the titular hero himself. Coming off the heels of the MINIMUM CARNAGE crossover with VENOM, Kaine has seen some bizarre otherworldly stuff and once again decided to give up being a masked vigilante. Unfortunately, he has chosen to get himself drunk just as a gang of robbers decide to steal a "once in a lifetime" fortune in diamonds being held at the luxury hotel in which Kaine lives. The robbers all dress as Santa Claus and all seem to give each other similarly themed code-names in radio communications. It is left to the psychic mystery girl Aracely, bartender/singer Annabelle Adams, police officer Wally Layton and his husband, Dr. Donald Meland to stall the robbers long enough to survive and for Kaine to sober up. While the conclusion of this caper isn't in any doubt, Yost and Brown sell it via sheer execution. The dialogue is crisp, the one-liners are fast and furious, and all of the characters are displayed distinctly. While they're a motley bunch, and Kaine is hardly an ideal superhero, that's the hook of the series; these diverse characters who have found themselves in Houston and become a family of sorts. Brown's artwork is as strong as ever, and enhanced by the inks of Terry Pallot and the colors of Andres Mossa.

Overall, this issue perfectly embodies this series' strengths and why it has lasted a year (and beyond) in a very rough and competitive market. It has defied expectations and produced something which is unique to the current slate of mainstream Marvel superhero titles, and followed the tradition begun by Rick Remender on VENOM. It proves that not all relaunches of faded 90's franchises have to be empty exercises to maintain a trademark, but are opportunities for something original and exciting. Chris Yost continues to cement his position as solid solo writer without frequent collaborator Craig Kyle alongside him. While it may not be the best comic ever (but seriously, what is), SCARLET SPIDER is a mainstream Marvel superhero comic which doesn't seem as if it were pitched, concocted, and carried out via a corporate assembly line, and is one to embrace accordingly.

Loved this issue, what are the chances of Reilly Brown getting the regular job on this?
 

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