Bought/Thought September 2nd, 2009 - SPOILERS

Oh, it's all humorous takes?

Yep, nothing serious in that book. Not Brand Ecch....except, not funny at all. It's like watching a full episode of Saturday Night Live and realizing you only liked one or two sketches, and even Weekend Update wasn't that funny.
 
I saw a preview of the new MA Spider-Man; here I thought "Chat" was going to be an alternate version of Squirrel-Girl, since in the 1-2 pages I saw she was "talking" to squirrels. Instead it's a new character named "Chat". Oh well. I'm with TheCorpulent1, limiting my alternate continuity takes to one FIRST CLASS book, basically. Especially since I dropped Ultimate like a hot potato last year, and am not going back.

SPIDER-MAN LOVES MARY JANE is for girls. It's sold in digests with heart shapes on it. It's the sort of thing guys should be embarrassed to admit they read to other guys, akin to a guy admitting they watched SAILOR MOON in the 90's. Times change, I guess.

Well, many people would be equally embarrassed that all us grown men read comic books still. Whether I look childish or gay, eh, that's other people's problems. I'm secure enough in myself and my masculinity to not let such things bother me. I say, if it's good, I'll watch, read, or listen to it. Plus, for the longest time, the best Spidey comic on the market was Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane.
 
I feel the same way within limits. I mean, if a book's got pink hearts and stuff on its cover, I might be a little wary of reading it on the bus or at lunch in a restaurant or whatever. Unless it's really, really good, and then I don't care either way.
 
I never really got that myself. I don't understand why there seems to be a segregation between the two sexes as far as stuff like that goes. I mean can guys not like stories focusing on love and romance without it seeming weird? You can still like the 'guy approved' stuff like superhero power fantasies, too.

I mean as far as something like Sailor Moon and the Sailor Warriors that Dread mentioned goes, I mean sure they are girls who dress in costumes that vaguely resemble school uniforms, and tend to be driven more by love and friendship, but it doesn't seem so different to me than guys who dress in spandex that vaguely resemble full body pajamas, and tend to be driven more by will and righteousness.

I never got why one side was seen almost exclusively for this gender, and the other was for another. I guess that's just human nature, though...which means maybe I'm not human:clown:
 
It's all about society and gender norms and... stuff. I don't know, I only took one psychology class in college.
 
Bought:

Sleeper Season One
Solomon Kane: Castle of the Devil
Five Fists of Science
Unknown Soldier Vol.1 Haunted House
The Sentry (2000)
Conan and the Midnight God
Conan and the Demons of Khitai
Secret Invasion
Captain America: The Truth
Invincible Iron Man : World's Most Wanted Book 1
Pax Romana
Astro City Local Heroes
Astro City The Dark Age Book 1
The Question Vol.1 and 2

Picked up alot since I have sh**all to do this long weekend.Thoughts later.

The Truth - Much better than I expected.Baker's art isn't as distracting I thought it would be.Good story which mixes MU continuity with historic events.Great deal of powerful moments here such as Isaiah heading off into his first mission in costume as well as the [BLACKOUT]slaughter of an entire unit[/BLACKOUT].

IIM : World's Most Wanted - I found the pacing a bit off.There's never that moment where you can feel **** hitting the fan or amping up.I'll reserve my judgement until the Book 2 is released.

Unknown Soldier Vol.1 - Highly recommended.One of the best reads I've read in a long time.A very relentless revenge tale that delivers on all cylinders.Brutal action,gripping suspense and well written characters.
 
Anyone got DEadpool 15 yet? I haven't managed to get it and I want to know if Way has done Pools more introspective/self questioning side right.
 
Got it, haven't read it yet. Batman: Arkham Asylum and Leverage have made this a very slow week for actually reading my comics. :)
 
Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld actually had a tie-in to Crisis on Infinite Earths, so that's pretty interesting.

I am definitely picking up Strange Tales #1. Matt Kindt's Black Widow story is the only one that isn't supposed to be humorous I believe. Dash Shaw does a really funny Dr. Strange vs. Nightmare story. Peter Bagge's Incorrigible Hulk finally starts getting published. Jason does a Spider-Man story. That's what was available in the Wizard article, so I'm eagerly looking forward to what else available in the book. And boo, to anyone who doesn't like Paul Pope's cover. Even people who have historically disliked Paul Pope's work give it up for the cover.

http://i.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/sept09/105_strange_tales_1.jpg

EDIT: apparently the Kindt story isn't in this issue, but a future one.
 
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Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld actually had a tie-in to Crisis on Infinite Earths, so that's pretty interesting.
I was pretty stunned that in all thirty-five issues there wasn't a single crossover with Captain Marvel. It's the sort of thing that would happen at the drop of a hat these days.

One bad thing that came out of this is that, well, I haven't really been fond of Giffen as a writer lately, and then I read how he handled the cap-off to this series and oh, my god, it's like his suckiness has reached back across the seas of time and space to terrorize me from a book more than twenty years old. I couldn't believe how bad this **** got when the creators left the book. :( Par for the course on any comic I guess, but I just didn't expect it from something so...timeless.
 
Well, many people would be equally embarrassed that all us grown men read comic books still. Whether I look childish or gay, eh, that's other people's problems. I'm secure enough in myself and my masculinity to not let such things bother me. I say, if it's good, I'll watch, read, or listen to it. Plus, for the longest time, the best Spidey comic on the market was Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane.

I wouldn't and haven't used "gay" as a description. Personally I find it a bit ignorant.

Comics in general have come into a bit more mainstream. That said, at work and at social events where I don't know the people, I usually am a little hesitant to state my hobby, although I usually end up doing so in time. I grew up in New York in the 80's so "gender roles" were probably ingrained in me a bit more than some younger. I'd certainly take pause at a guy on a subway reading SAILOR MOON or something. Granted, that's a cultural thing; from what I hear, Japan for instance doesn't work that way; a businessman can be reading a hentai tentacle rape manga on a crowded subway with schoolgirls within a few yards and almost no one would really notice or react in a harsh way. The understanding is what people enjoy as a hobby for pleasure is fine so long as they don't act it out blatantly in civilian life. Americans are classically uptight and screwed up. I probably embody some of those ideals, being one of the last generations raised when those things mattered more. A lot of those social ticks melted a bit as the 90's ended. When I was in high school, anime was still very much a cult thing, and few people were in it who weren't already "nerds". As soon as I graduated, it became a norm and every one out of three or four girls was even into it.

I feel the same way within limits. I mean, if a book's got pink hearts and stuff on its cover, I might be a little wary of reading it on the bus or at lunch in a restaurant or whatever. Unless it's really, really good, and then I don't care either way.

To each their own, I guess.

I never really got that myself. I don't understand why there seems to be a segregation between the two sexes as far as stuff like that goes. I mean can guys not like stories focusing on love and romance without it seeming weird? You can still like the 'guy approved' stuff like superhero power fantasies, too.

I mean as far as something like Sailor Moon and the Sailor Warriors that Dread mentioned goes, I mean sure they are girls who dress in costumes that vaguely resemble school uniforms, and tend to be driven more by love and friendship, but it doesn't seem so different to me than guys who dress in spandex that vaguely resemble full body pajamas, and tend to be driven more by will and righteousness.

I never got why one side was seen almost exclusively for this gender, and the other was for another. I guess that's just human nature, though...which means maybe I'm not human:clown:

Socially speaking, at least classically, guys who are into reading or watching stories with heavy emphasis on love or romance are considered "sensitive", i.e. "weak". While society seems to pressure women into often being vapid slaves to emotion or sex, for men in America it is quietly acknowledged that there are very few emotions that are alright to feel, and then only at appropriate times. Usually lust and anger are alright; men "losing their temper" in society is accepted far more often than when women do so, for instance. Christian Bale's "explosion" on the set of TERMINATOR was seen as a comical episode and he has since moved past it; an actress would have a harder time escaping judgment for a similar tirade. On the other hand, the amount of times men cry in SPIDER-MAN 3 has been commonly panned or mocked. While America is nowhere near as strict in gender roles as, say, Iran, few men like to be seen as weak as it is usually disapproved by other men and even women. Trust me, no woman has ever formed a positive opinion on me if I was too compassionate or considerate; they're too busy fawning over the assertive alpha male to so much as notice me. If anything, a sensitive man can even be seen as "boring" or even having "baggage".

It's hardly a misconception that certain types of stories are usually liked by certain genders. Romantic comedies are not seen as movies that appeal to men. Much as action movies are not seen as appealing to women. That isn't to say men and women don't enjoy those films, and some even write them, but it isn't expected as a norm. Usually if an action movie is attempted to be sold to women, they will stress the attractiveness of the male lead; it is no accident that Hugh Jackman's WOLVERINE goes bare chested a lot (much as it is no accident that Megan Fox seems to always be crawling or humping something in TRANSFORMERS).

It is also no accident that many sitcoms have made fun of situations in which a man ends up enjoying a daytime soap opera, which is usually seen as appealing to women (especially middle aged women).

Japan has "shojo" (girls) and "shounen" (boys) manga and both are distinctly different. In some ways American comics are similar, albeit with less genres in the mainstream. I sort of saw SPIDER-MAN LOVES MARY JANE as strictly a "shojo" American comic. I saw a reprint of the first issue in a SPIDER-MAN FAMILY issue (whatever one had an AGENTS OF ATLAS story in it) and while I could see the appeal, it was too soapy without enough action for me.

It's all about society and gender norms and... stuff. I don't know, I only took one psychology class in college.

Basically, as my above discussion notes. Gender norms in society are stressed at a very young age in any society. I will say that perhaps America in 2009 isn't as strict about them as they were in 1989 or especially 1959. But they still exist. There are those who adhere to them by temperament and those that don't.

I like romantic subplots. I just don't think I could stomach a story where that was 95% of the focus. Least not in a comic book, at $3 a month.

There are stories or mediums that appeal to both. I would say SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN has enough action for boys and romance for girls to enjoy.
 
Don't worry soon enough we will be one homogenous mess with girly men and manly girls. Finally, we'll be able to sell more make up for guys and more beer to women. At least that's what we're working towards. At my job, we have workshops about what kind of roles should the two genders play in our commercials, becouse many companies want to change tha attitudes toward genders to expand their makret share in the following decades. It's pretty depressing, (especially since I do as they ask.) You can see it everywhere. When did you see the last beer commercial, with real, working class guys, not laughing idiots with perfect haircuts? When did you see a capable, succesful, strong, well rounded man character on TV, men should aspire to be (maybe Jack on 30Rock and the guys on Supernatural. But still there's far more "strong chicks" and weakling guys.). Did you see what we've done to Superman in Smallvile and Superman returns? I It's a slow process, but in 50 years we'll sissify EVERY guy into reading Spider-man loves Mary Jane on the subway. Than, the tigers will take over. :)
 
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Socially speaking, at least classically, guys who are into reading or watching stories with heavy emphasis on love or romance are considered "sensitive", i.e. "weak". While society seems to pressure women into often being vapid slaves to emotion or sex, for men in America it is quietly acknowledged that there are very few emotions that are alright to feel, and then only at appropriate times. Usually lust and anger are alright; men "losing their temper" in society is accepted far more often than when women do so, for instance. Christian Bale's "explosion" on the set of TERMINATOR was seen as a comical episode and he has since moved past it; an actress would have a harder time escaping judgment for a similar tirade. On the other hand, the amount of times men cry in SPIDER-MAN 3 has been commonly panned or mocked. While America is nowhere near as strict in gender roles as, say, Iran, few men like to be seen as weak as it is usually disapproved by other men and even women. Trust me, no woman has ever formed a positive opinion on me if I was too compassionate or considerate; they're too busy fawning over the assertive alpha male to so much as notice me. If anything, a sensitive man can even be seen as "boring" or even having "baggage".

It's hardly a misconception that certain types of stories are usually liked by certain genders. Romantic comedies are not seen as movies that appeal to men. Much as action movies are not seen as appealing to women. That isn't to say men and women don't enjoy those films, and some even write them, but it isn't expected as a norm. Usually if an action movie is attempted to be sold to women, they will stress the attractiveness of the male lead; it is no accident that Hugh Jackman's WOLVERINE goes bare chested a lot (much as it is no accident that Megan Fox seems to always be crawling or humping something in TRANSFORMERS).

It is also no accident that many sitcoms have made fun of situations in which a man ends up enjoying a daytime soap opera, which is usually seen as appealing to women (especially middle aged women).

Japan has "shojo" (girls) and "shounen" (boys) manga and both are distinctly different. In some ways American comics are similar, albeit with less genres in the mainstream. I sort of saw SPIDER-MAN LOVES MARY JANE as strictly a "shojo" American comic. I saw a reprint of the first issue in a SPIDER-MAN FAMILY issue (whatever one had an AGENTS OF ATLAS story in it) and while I could see the appeal, it was too soapy without enough action for me.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't asking why, I'm perfecting aware of why these things exist, but I was more saying I've never really get why people so willingly submit to stuff like that when they grow up and should know better. I know it's all society, gender norms, and all that psychological stuff, but I think eventually people in said culture and society should grow up from silliness like that. It's not just an American thing either, I pretty much apply that to most cultures with those type of 'rules'.
 
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Batman #690 - Winnick's run continues to bore and the ending...ugh. Though, I like Bagley's art a lot.

Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man #2 - While the three new villains Bendis has introduced over the last two issues are as boring as the Shocker, I'm loving -- as always -- what he's doing with the regular characters of the Ult. Spidey universe. Though, some questions are still left unanswered in this issue(what happened to Johnny Storm's family, why did Peter and MJ break up over the six month gap, etc.) that will hopefully be dealt with by next issue. Also, I'm not a fan of the manga influenced art. While the coloring is fine, my main problems deal with Spider-Man -- he has a huge, melon-shaped head and his body's no bigger than any fifth grader. And some supporting characters look "off". Other than that, David Lafuente's art doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would.

Deadpool #15 - Another good, funny issue and where Deadpool seems to question why he does such crazy things on a regulr basis. Is immortality that boring, is he just looking for attention, etc.

Now he's back in San Francisco so hopefully we'll get to see Weasel and Blind Al -- he might need their help with "auditioning" for a certain mutant team.

Sweet Tooth #1 - A new ongoing Vertigo book and man, I loved the first issue -- probably because it shares a lot of similarities with Cormac McCarthy's The Road.:o

Anyway, this first issue sets up a lot and I can't wait to see how Jeff Lemire executes everything in the issues to come.
 
Deadpool 15-Great issue. If people think Way doesn't get Deadpool, I offer up this line...

"I'll never be anything other than what I am. So what's the point in trying?"

That right there sums up exactly what I think Deadpool is about. He wants to be good, he wants to be more than just a maniacal killer. But when he tries it all goes pear shaped and he questions why he should even bother.

I also get the sense that without purpose, Deadpool just wants to die and fall into Deaths arms. Would be pretty emo if it was any other character, but it just works with Deadpool I think.

Nothing really happens in the book apart from Deadpool talking to himself. There is some humour in there, but not as much as usual. It's still funny though. But for me it shows that Way is a talented writer, despite what his detractors say (and there is many). That nothing really happens but is still a compelling read.

If you are not a fan of Deadpool and think he is a one note, one dimensional, silly Rob Liefeld creation with no depth, I suggest you read this.
 
Bought:

Sleeper Season One
Solomon Kane: Castle of the Devil
Five Fists of Science
Unknown Soldier Vol.1 Haunted House
The Sentry (2000)
Conan and the Midnight God
Conan and the Demons of Khitai
Secret Invasion
Captain America: The Truth
Invincible Iron Man : World's Most Wanted Book 1
Pax Romana
Astro City Local Heroes
Astro City The Dark Age Book 1
The Question Vol.1 and 2

Picked up alot since I have sh**all to do this long weekend.Thoughts later.

Sleeper - Read this in one sitting,it grabbed me and had me hooked from the start.Brubaker,as usual,mixes crime and superhero fare together nicely and delivers a story that keeps you guessing.There's a great deal of tension throughout the whole book and it does not let up.People sometimes call this Bru's greatest work and they're not that far off.

Solomon Kane - A real surprise.I hope DH plans on releasing more SK in the future because this was a great example of horror/pulp done right.Readers who have never read a SK story before,such as myself,won't be lost.He gets a brutal introduction which pretty much sums up what he's all about in 3 or 4 pages.Guevara and Stewart's art is also gorgeous to look at.

Five Fists of Science - A quick and humorous read filled with lots of big ideas and crazy concepts.Twain and Tesla make for one hell of an entertaining duo.I hope Fraction revisits this world soon,because there is so much potential for future stories.

Conan and the Demons of Khitai - DH's Conan series was something I just discovered last year.It was great from start to finish but I wanted more stories featuring Conan as king such as this one.This is pretty much standard Conan fare but it's always great to see Conan being arrogant and cutting off heads and arms of monsters and demons.

Conan and the Midnight God - Another King Conan tale and probably the best Conan story to come out of DH ever.This story is fiiled with so many badass Conan moments.The way he deals with his would be assassins who were captured outside his palace was just awesome.Lots of epic action here especially towards the end.If you ever wanted to get a taste of Conan,this GN is highly recommended.

Secret Invasion - I never read any lead ups or tie ins or the actual series itself as it was being released.My verdict:this is a great summer blockbuster/superhero smackdown comic.It was entertaining from start to finish and didn't require a great deal of thinking.Yu's art is top notch as always and Martin once again shows why she's one of the best colorists in the industry.There's nothing wrong with having armies of superheroes throwdown with armies of genetically altered aliens once in a while.
 
What's Leverage? That a game?
I believe he refers to the TV series Leverage.
Yep, the TV show. I love heist movies and Leverage is basically a heist in every episode. It's great. :)

Anyway, I read Deadpool and The Torch.

Deadpool was all right, I guess. There were some funny bits with Death that I liked. But overall it was pretty boring. Deadpool's gonna try to join the X-Men. Wow. Hasn't he done this, like 2 or 3 times already? Paco Medina's return to the art was good, though. I don't think he portrays Deadpool as scarred and mangled as he should be, though. He looks like a normal dude with some splotches on his skin in most panels, and he even has a relatively normal face.

I enjoyed Torch a lot more. It looks, reads, and feels like a very natural companion series to Captain America: Reborn or the regular Cap series. Carey introduces Toro quickly but in enough detail to make me sympathize with him, and his use of the original Vision as a foil for Toro is nice. I wonder if it's as much a nod to the Avengers' Vision as it is to the Golden Age one, given that the former's design was retconned to be based on the original Torch's. The Thinker is used as a much more impressive villain here than I normally see him. I like that he's completely misanthropic. I don't know if that makes sense with what's been shown of his character before, since I haven't read much with him, but it makes sense to me given that the Thinker's mostly known for building robots like the Awesome Android. I like the idea that that's an extension of his disgust with his fellow humans. But that's just my speculation. The story rolls along briskly and is entertaining throughout. Looking forward to what's done with Jim himself in coming issues. The only thing that confused me was the offhand mention of Toro's resurrection via Bucky's use of the cosmic cube, which I don't remember at all. Could just be my faulty memory, though.
 
Yea compared to the other books in the series so far, Deadpool 15 was boring. But I think it was good to see where his head is at. And as I said, it dispells the myth that Way doesn't get the character.
 
Don't worry soon enough we will be one homogenous mess with girly men and manly girls. Finally, we'll be able to sell more make up for guys and more beer to women. At least that's what we're working towards. At my job, we have workshops about what kind of roles should the two genders play in our commercials, becouse many companies want to change tha attitudes toward genders to expand their makret share in the following decades. It's pretty depressing, (especially since I do as they ask.) You can see it everywhere. When did you see the last beer commercial, with real, working class guys, not laughing idiots with perfect haircuts? When did you see a capable, succesful, strong, well rounded man character on TV, men should aspire to be (maybe Jack on 30Rock and the guys on Supernatural. But still there's far more "strong chicks" and weakling guys.). Did you see what we've done to Superman in Smallvile and Superman returns? I It's a slow process, but in 50 years we'll sissify EVERY guy into reading Spider-man loves Mary Jane on the subway. Than, the tigers will take over. :)

I see. Quite nefarious. It's almost like what Number Two said in AUSTIN POWERS, circa 1997. "There is no 'world' anymore. There's only corporations." :p

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't asking why, I'm perfecting aware of why these things exist, but I was more saying I've never really get why people so willingly submit to stuff like that when they grow up and should know better. I know it's all society, gender norms, and all that psychological stuff, but I think eventually people in said culture and society should grow up from silliness like that. It's not just an American thing either, I pretty much apply that to most cultures with those type of 'rules'.

I see. Society norms shape many of us and many of us will naturally reflect them. Personally I wish people would "grow" past greed and selfishness, but that is about as unlikely as well.

I enjoyed Torch a lot more. It looks, reads, and feels like a very natural companion series to Captain America: Reborn or the regular Cap series. Carey introduces Toro quickly but in enough detail to make me sympathize with him, and his use of the original Vision as a foil for Toro is nice. I wonder if it's as much a nod to the Avengers' Vision as it is to the Golden Age one, given that the former's design was retconned to be based on the original Torch's. The Thinker is used as a much more impressive villain here than I normally see him. I like that he's completely misanthropic. I don't know if that makes sense with what's been shown of his character before, since I haven't read much with him, but it makes sense to me given that the Thinker's mostly known for building robots like the Awesome Android. I like the idea that that's an extension of his disgust with his fellow humans. But that's just my speculation. The story rolls along briskly and is entertaining throughout. Looking forward to what's done with Jim himself in coming issues. The only thing that confused me was the offhand mention of Toro's resurrection via Bucky's use of the cosmic cube, which I don't remember at all. Could just be my faulty memory, though.

THE TORCH is apparently a sequel of AVENGERS/INVADERS, which is where Bucky/New Cap got the Cube again and "wished" Toro back. I didn't read that but I resorted to Wikipedia to find out. The fact that it is coming out alongside REBORN is sheer coincidence and it has nothing to do with it. That was why his introduction was awkwardly swift in THE TORCH #1; it presumes you read AVENGERS/INVADERS. My opinion was split about it. I didn't think it was a bad comic, but I didn't think it was altogether worth $4 an issue, for seven more issues. That said, if the second issue ships on a slow week, I could get it.
 
I love the original Torch, so I'm into it. Good to know that the Bucky cosmic cube scene takes place somewhere and wasn't just randomly included as an explanation for no apparent reason.

Would you happen to know why Dynamite's credited on the mini, too? Is Alex Ross exclusive to Dynamite and effectively "on loan" to Marvel for Avengers/Invaders and this or something?
 
I don't know. Maybe some of the talent, like Ross, comes from DYNAMITE and Marvel feels like crediting that company, much as they sometimes used to credit coloring teams that usually worked on TOP COW projects in the recent past.

I'm not too big on the original Torch but I do like the idea of Toro being back, and even the original Vision too (the other dimensional cop, basically). I'm just not especially convinced it is worth seven more issues at $4 a pop from me. It's one of those mini's I may have stuck with at $3 an issue, but at $4 it has to be utterly brilliant. THE TORCH to me is an alright launch, but it's not utterly brilliant.
 
I see. Society norms shape many of us and many of us will naturally reflect them. Personally I wish people would "grow" past greed and selfishness, but that is about as unlikely as well.

Of course, but I don't see any point in people dedicating themselves on what genres or types of media to enjoy solely on what the norm is suppose to be. There's nothing wrong with liking those things of course, but not liking something because that's not what your gender is allowed to like is pretty silly if you ask me.

Not sure why you brought up greed or selfishness, that's a pretty different thing. I would like people to grow past that, too, but I think that's a totally different part of the human nature than tastes in entertainment and art
 
Haven't read the buffy issue yet, but let's be honest, if a girl's attractive a lot of guys will go out with her when she's old enough even if at some point she was too young. Tie that in with it being commented on numerous times that she found him attractive over the years and it makes perfect sense.
 

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