Roose Bolton
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I'm curious what kind of an impact Hulk's presence will actually make on the box office.
He really isn't. People couldn't care less about Cyborg, and that applies to Aquaman too.
Neither of the Thor movies have beaten ANY of the DCU movies thus far, so with that in mind, i think the novelty of the JL getting together for the first time on the big screen outweighs anything Ragnarok has to offer...
This is a tough one!
I notice that people aren't really weighing in the "Strange" factor. The dude raked in nearly $700 million in his debut and scored a 90% on RT. Ragnorok comes out a year after and will be his first reappearence. So who wins? Thor + Hulk + Strange OR the JL?
It's down to Wonder Woman. If it's good, JL has a good chance. If it's under 60% on RT...rest in peace DC.
I think that's just because the Doc won't be in Ragnarok much. Probably just the earth based scenes, of which there are supposedly very few. Maybe a glorified cameo.
I think it's more of a Thor + Hulk + Loki + Cate Blanchett vs Batman + Superman + WW + "everyone else". With the behind the scenes factrors of Waititi vs Snyder.
I'm 99.99% sure Waititi turns in the better film.
I'm also pretty sure JL will gross more than Ragnarok domestically. But worldwide I think it'll be pretty close. Both falling in the low-mid $800's.
Also, I don't think WW will play much role in JL's success. Even if WW is great JL still has to contend with Snyder.
I feel like people are vastly overestimating Thor: Ragnarok based on the assine assumption that YouTube views correlates to a huge box office or a large turnout and that adding Hulk will make a huge difference.
When you look at the history of box office numbers between the characters in question, no contest DC wins. None of the Thor or Hulk films have outgrossed any of the DCEU films. When you factor in inflation MOS (lowest grossing DCEU film) beats Dr Strange (highest grossing between the 3 characters) as well. That's why i don't understand the logic of those who voted for Thor. Maybe they're a part of that fanbase that despises the DCEU and is secretly hoping for its demise?...
Anyway we're talking about a company who managed to get a movie that was ripped apart by critics to nearly 750 million without China.... Need I say more? Justice League will win this showdown!
There's over a 3 year gap between MOS and Dr Strange that's why I adjusted for inflation. If you don't adjust then there's only a 9 million difference between the two films. Just saying.Factoring in inflation. LOL
I'm in denial? I merely stated a fact. Trailer views do not correlate what so ever with box office numbers. If they did then we'd be living in a world where 50 Shades made more than Star Wars and Suicide Squad wouldn't have opened as big as it did.You're in denial if you think a movie with the third most views all time for a trailer won't get a bump at the Box Office. People had absolutely no reason heading into it to go bonkers given how poor T:TDW was. Yet the combination of the Marvel machine and Taika appear to be a venerable combination.
If anything they're set for an extremely strong opening weekend based on the hype alone if the marketing continues to capture the magic. Audiences will get to see just how much these two heavy hitters get to directly interact. Also keep in mind that the Hulk has NEVER been featured as prominently as he will in this. They're clearly using it to evolve the character (as much as I was originally against it).
To drag TIH (which I love btw) into this conversation is pointless. The MCU was a young film studio and with no cache built. That's not the case here basically 10 years later.
I feel like people are vastly overestimating Thor: Ragnarok based on the assine assumption that YouTube views correlates to a huge box office or a large turnout and that adding Hulk will make a huge difference.
When you look at the history of box office numbers between the characters in question, no contest DC wins. None of the Thor or Hulk films have outgrossed any of the DCEU films. When you factor in inflation MOS (lowest grossing DCEU film) beats Dr Strange (highest grossing between the 3 characters) as well. That's why i don't understand the logic of those who voted for Thor. Maybe they're a part of that fanbase that despises the DCEU and is secretly hoping for its demise?...
Anyway we're talking about a company who managed to get a movie that was ripped apart by critics to nearly 750 million without China.... Need I say more? Justice League will win this showdown!
I feel like people are vastly overestimating Thor: Ragnarok based on the assine assumption that YouTube views correlates to a huge box office or a large turnout and that adding Hulk will make a huge difference.
When you look at the history of box office numbers between the characters in question, no contest DC wins. None of the Thor or Hulk films have outgrossed any of the DCEU films. When you factor in inflation MOS (lowest grossing DCEU film) beats Dr Strange (highest grossing between the 3 characters) as well. That's why i don't understand the logic of those who voted for Thor. Maybe they're a part of that fanbase that despises the DCEU and is secretly hoping for its demise?...
Anyway we're talking about a company who managed to get a movie that was ripped apart by critics to nearly 750 million without China.... Need I say more? Justice League will win this showdown!
You're in denial if you think a movie with the third most views all time for a trailer won't get a bump at the Box Office. People had absolutely no reason heading into it to go bonkers given how poor T:TDW was. Yet the combination of the Marvel machine and Taika appear to be a venerable combination.
To drag TIH (which I love btw) into this conversation is pointless. The MCU was a young film studio and with no cache built. That's not the case here basically 10 years later.
You're one of the most biased anti DCEU posters this board but I'll reply.
I never said they weren't going to have a big or decent sized opening! I merely questioned the logic of those who believe it'll do bigger business than Justice League. Going off the past of both franchises that likely won't happen.
I feel like people are vastly overestimating Thor: Ragnarok based on the assine assumption that YouTube views correlates to a huge box office or a large turnout and that adding Hulk will make a huge difference.
When you look at the history of box office numbers between the characters in question, no contest DC wins. None of the Thor or Hulk films have outgrossed any of the DCEU films. When you factor in inflation MOS (lowest grossing DCEU film) beats Dr Strange (highest grossing between the 3 characters) as well. That's why i don't understand the logic of those who voted for Thor. Maybe they're a part of that fanbase that despises the DCEU and is secretly hoping for its demise?...
Anyway we're talking about a company who managed to get a movie that was ripped apart by critics to nearly 750 million without China.... Need I say more? Justice League will win this showdown!
I'm guessing that you aren't aware of the success of the Teen Titans cartoon. It got several award nominations and actually lasted longer than Justice League. It was HUGE in the early 2000s, which is why it spawned the 2nd comedic series. Cyborg has also been in 17 different animated DC films. Some of us old codgers also remember him from Super Friends. That's a huge amount of non-print exposure for a character whom "people couldn't care less about."
Smashing.I'm curious what kind of an impact Hulk's presence will actually make on the box office.
I also think the positive side of this is, we will probably go back to rating movies based on individual ticket sales opposed too the revenue they are making, which I personally think is much more important in general.
I feel like people are vastly overestimating Thor: Ragnarok based on the assine assumption that YouTube views correlates to a huge box office or a large turnout and that adding Hulk will make a huge difference.
When you look at the history of box office numbers between the characters in question, no contest DC wins. None of the Thor or Hulk films have outgrossed any of the DCEU films. When you factor in inflation MOS (lowest grossing DCEU film) beats Dr Strange (highest grossing between the 3 characters) as well. That's why i don't understand the logic of those who voted for Thor. Maybe they're a part of that fanbase that despises the DCEU and is secretly hoping for its demise?...
Anyway we're talking about a company who managed to get a movie that was ripped apart by critics to nearly 750 million without China.... Need I say more? Justice League will win this showdown!
Revenue is important.
There are certain movies that are such large scale that shouldn't be done on smaller budgets. Movies like JL and Avengers fit that mold and should score over a $1B to make those investments worth it. Otherwise, what's the point in continuing on with those movies. Why not do lower budget movies with more revenue instead of $250M+ movies that make less profit?
I'm more concerned that JL2 has been pushed back to an undermined date and other movies have been "fast tracked" ahead of it.