Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[GreenKToo]

S.R. needed one more big action sequence, still though, the plane rescue scene tops anything I have seen in recent C.B. films.

 

[highguard]

About $ 50-60 mil of that is from the failed previous efforts. That money isn't on the screen in SR simply because Singer didn't get to spend it. It was spent years before. You can't really make a direct comparison to George Lucas's prequel budgets, nor to Peter Jackson's LOTR and King Kong budgets, since Lucas and Jackson own ILM and Weta respectively and therefore are able to get far more FX work done at lower costs than other filmmakers. Having said that, Singer should have have got more out of his budget in terms of action set pieces, even though what he did get looked very good.

Very good points.

Also would Nic's pay or play 20 million be in that budget. With that and the cut Krypton scene you can account for 30 million right there, then add that 60 million and you are down to 175 million.

So the film budget is now looking more like what we got on film.

 

[Bishop2]

I still like my line about the Metrosexual of Metropolis.

What a boring movie. Not my version of Superman. And yes picking up the mountain of Kryptonite was very stupid. How could he pick up a mountain if a rock on a chain takes him down?

Apparently he can get rid of all his weaknesses if he just wants it really bad.

Just like Spider-Man can apparently lose all of his superpowers if he just DOESN'T want it really bad.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I still like my line about the Metrosexual of Metropolis.

What a boring movie. Not my version of Superman. And yes picking up the mountain of Kryptonite was very stupid. How could he pick up a mountain if a rock on a chain takes him down?

How can a man made of ton's of rock make it eight blocks across Manhattan in minutes and jump through a wall. When the power needed for the machine was gone.

 

[Bishop2]

S.R. needed one more big action sequence, still though, the plane rescue scene tops anything I have seen in recent C.B. films.

C.B.?

How many Citizens' Band movies do you see?

 

[Bishop2]

How can a man made of ton's of rock make it eight blocks across Manhattan in minutes and jump through a wall. When the power needed for the machine was gone.

The power wasn't gone. The machine only needed far more power in order to REVERSE the changes, not to make things WORSE. It made things worse without Doom's help, as we saw with Reed going all droopy-faced. So Ben got in without Doom's assistance, and naturally it made him worse, reverting him back to rockman. Simple.

The fact that he somehow trucks it across town so fast is utterly ludicrous however.

 

[Agent 194]

How can a man made of ton's of rock make it eight blocks across Manhattan in minutes and jump through a wall. When the power needed for the machine was gone.

I'd give Chiklis more credit for super doings than I would that kid Routh.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The power wasn't gone. The machine only needed far more power in order to REVERSE the changes, not to make things WORSE. It made things worse without Doom's help, as we saw with Reed going all droopy-faced. So Ben got in without Doom's assistance, and naturally it made him worse, reverting him back to rockman. Simple.

The fact that he somehow trucks it across town so fast is utterly ludicrous however.

I can see that. I thought of it simply as not enough power to go all the way back. Just turn his skin orange.lol

I'd give Chiklis more credit for super doings than I would that kid Routh.

Of course, we're on a Fantastic Four board. I'm sure the Kryptonite island was heavier than the London Eye.

 

[Agent 194]

I'm not talking about the character they play...I'm going slightly existential here....I believe in the actor who's playing Thing more than his counterpart. Therefore he can do the implausible in my mind.

 

[highguard]

Hahahah

Well Superman could have lifted the mountain by him supercharging just before lifting the island if my memory is correct, and as for Rock Man (what I called Thing as a kid) he could have jumped lol. I always wanted Rock Man to have leg muscles as strong as the hulk.

So I will say that he jumped and Superman was supercharged.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm not talking about the character they play...I'm going slightly existential here....I believe in the actor who's playing Thing more than his counterpart. Therefore he can do the implausible in my mind.

In that case, I'm torn. Chiki is fantastic as Thing to point of not reboot the franchise until they do a third or fourth movie.

But Routh made me believe the dual Clark/Superman identity could work. Reeves' clumsy Clark would draw too much attention to himself. Routh blended into the background and was still just as lame as Reeves.

 

[highguard]

^^ looks like FF will crawl to the 135 million but it should get there provided it stays in theaters as long as the first.

FF2 is now kind of like SR in terms of Box Office.

They are both making money but they are underperforming at the BO even though most people seem to agree that they were worthy of at least a B grade in terms of film making.

Even the wait for a sequel announcement is drearily similar.

Hmmmm.

And Story has signed on to do another film "losers" just like Singer is doing while waiting on the next installment.

Hmmm, curiouser and curiouser.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

In that case, I extend a arm of solidarity between the two forums so we both get sequels that smash all expectations.t:

 

[highguard]

^^ I will grab a hold of that arm my good fella. We can use the solidarity.

 

[Agent 194]

No, Kal-El is his baby son, not a girl.

Really, I could have sworn it was a girl. Which is what made it all the more silly to me. Either way it's silly.

 

[Carp Man]

I think the FX in SR were very good. There was just one shot near the end where Superman flies by the camera where the CGI was too obvious. Other than that, the FX were impressive.

Not to the tune of 265 million they were not. Sight unseen, I know TF's has more action in it then SR had, and it cost 115 million less. Give me a break. I still want to know where 265 went ? I mean in FF 2, we had the helicopter scene, the Silver Surfer, plus all the other SPX that went allong with it, and it cost 130.

 

[GL's Light]

Not to the tune of 265 million they were not. TF's has more action in it then SR had, and it cost 115 million less. Give me a break. I still want to know where 265 went, besides in Cage's pocket, and up Singers rear end.

Like I said before, the 265 includes the costs of the previous failed efforts. Those costs had nothing to do with Singer. He didn't spend the money.

 

[DieSmiling]

Not to the tune of 265 million they were not. Sight unseen, I know TF's has more action in it then SR had, and it cost 115 million less. Give me a break. I still want to know where 265 went ? I mean in FF 2, we had the helicopter scene, the Silver Surfer, plus all the other SPX that went allong with it, and it cost 130.

Transformers was cheaper to make than it should have been because Spielberg (Executive Producer) got a big discount from his buddy Lucas at ILM. That, plus what GL has been saying about Superman Returns starting with sunk costs unfairly attributed to it, and Transformers and Superman Returns probably weren't far off in terms of cost.

 

[Carp Man]

Like I said before, the 265 includes the costs of the previous failed efforts. Those costs had nothing to do with Singer. He didn't spend the money.

Failed efforts and blunders you mean. As for the Cage farce, he shoved it to WB pretty good, or did they shove it to themselfs ? Who in hollywood gets a play or pay movie contract ? Only the elete. Arnold, Pitt, Cruise, Cloney. Cage is not in that league, not by a long shot. WB shafted themselfs. He must have had a pic of someone to get that kind of deal.

 

[GL's Light]

Failed efforts and blunders you mean. As for the Cage farce, he shoved it to WB pretty good, or did they shove it to themselfs ? Who in hollywood gets a play or pay movie contract ? Only the elete. Arnold, Pitt, Cruise. Cage is not in that league, not by a long shot. WB shafted themselfs.

Sure, Warners mismanaged the effort to get a new Superman film onto the screen over the years. But it still doesn't make sense to say that SR didn't look like there was $ 265 million onscreen when you know full well that a big chunk of that figure was money spent on the previous failed efforts.

 

[Carp Man]

Sure, Warners mismanaged the effort to get a new Superman film onto the screen over the years. But it still doesn't make sense to say that SR didn't look like there was $ 265 million onscreen when you know full well that a big chunk of that figure was money spent on the previous failed efforts.

You and I know that, but the uninformed don't. They just look at 265 and say wtf ? For what ? I mean FF was in the production stage for 10 years, and I'm sure there were some bucks spent, above the reported 100 million, to bring it finally to the big screen, but they did not include that in their figure. If WB said, hey we spent whatever on the production of this film, without the failed attemps, and blunders, it would look better to the uninformed, on paper.

 

[Tony Stark]

Even if it was only 200 million Singer spent, that movie was still pure crap that is way further away from the Character than anything Story/Frost/Arad did with FF.

SR is the most unimaginitive movie, I've seen in years. Basically it is a 2 1/2 hour tribute to the Donner movies. If I had wanted to see that, I'd have saved 10 bucks and watched the Donner movies on DVD at home.

It's just amazing to me that Singer, who was so creative and inventive with what he did on the first two X-men movies could produce such garbage. The only reason anyone defends the film is to shill for Superman. I love Superman he was one of my fondest childhood memories watching reruns of the 50's serials, along with the Reeves movies and the Saturday morning cartoons. But I'm not going to defend that piece of crap.

WB was so scared of what Abrams was trying to do, that they just threw it all out, and went the safe route. The fact is Abrams had some good ideas, but needed guidance, changing the more contraversial things and directing it to the more orthodox Superman lore but with Abrams' ingenious way of story telling.

I like Brian Singer, I think he's a talented director and story writer, but I'm not going to patronize him, just because I'm a fan. I'm going to be honest with him and tell him when he produces crap, and that was crap.

 

[Tony Stark]

Just an addendum to what I wrote above, what happened with Brian Singer and Superman Returns is the perfect example that you can't just take a director and say, "oh look how successful he was here, we should get him to do this."

This is exactly what I've heard on these boards for two solid years, on how if this director did FF, or if that director did FF, it would be so much better.

Could Sam Raimi have done FF better than Tim Story? Maybe, but I don't know. I don't even know how Sam feels about the characters, and even if he loved them, and they were his favorite, that may not be enough.

Brian Singer was an excellent match for X-men. Perhaps his life experience allowed him to relate to the X-men and their struggles, and while everything wasn't exact to the comics, he got the basic tone right, and the central characters right (except Cyclops).

But even though he was lobbying for the Superman job, he was the wrong person for it. While he deserves credit for getting Brandon Routh, who did an excellent job, he deserves as much blame for the casting of Lois Lane, which was a complete mismatch.

Again, this isn't to complain about Brian Singer, who's a very talented guy, but only to say, just because you're good at one thing, doesn't make you good at another.

 

[Agent 194]

Just loving a character isn't enough. Mark Steven Johnson is a good example of that. He reminds me of the guys in school who liked to draw monster trucks on their math folders. They usually weren't very good or talented, but they loved the subject matter. Daredevil and Ghost Rider movies are proof of that. Love isn't enough to get it done. You need talent and a vision.

 

[GL's Light]

The only reason anyone defends the film is to shill for Superman.

No, you're projecting your opinion as objective fact. Just as you sincerely dislike the film, there are others who sincerely like it. I've seen people praise Ghost Rider, which I think was pretty awful. I disagree with their opinion of GR, but I don't question the sincerity of their views.