Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Spider-Fan]

It doesn´t matter cuz the BO for FF2 is also being much lower than SR. It´s barely paying the production budget in USA, like SR, and that´s a fundamental measure for the studio.

I'd have to look at profit %'s...FF may be a better money maker by percentage than SR was (but again, this movie is not done, so that can't be calculated as of yet).

Plus, taking a "risk" at 100-130 is more likely than a risk in the 150-200 range.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Obviously.

I still say they're not gonna do Silver Surfer. All the business logic argues against that.

THE SS MOVIE MUST HAPPEN

Plus, this is FOX we are talking about

 

[Bishop2]

THE SS MOVIE MUST HAPPEN

Plus, this is FOX we are talking about

You're right. They might wind up making the SS movie against all reason, and then when it bombs they'll say that the Fantastic Four franchise is over, because "it's the same series."

They've done it before.

 

[ultimatefan]

I'd have to look at profit %'s...FF may be a better money maker by percentage than SR was (but again, this movie is not done, so that can't be calculated as of yet).

Plus, taking a "risk" at 100-130 is more likely than a risk in the 150-200 range.

Studios don´t like taking risks at all, 100-130 is a pretty big risk if you don´t feel very secure about the potential profitability. If FF2 is making considerably less than FF1, would you spend the same in a third? Hulk was actually a profitable movie, and Marvel had to finance it on its own and bring it all to square one again.

 

[ultimatefan]

You're right. They might wind up making the SS movie against all reason, and then when it bombs they'll say that the Fantastic Four franchise is over, because "it's the same series."

They've done it before.

Yeah, Elektra anyone?

 

[Bishop2]

Studios don´t like taking risks at all, 100-130 is a pretty big risk if you don´t feel very secure about the potential profitability. If FF2 is making considerably less than FF1, would you spend the same in a third? Hulk was actually a profitable movie, and Marvel had to finance it on its own and bring it all to square one again.

Well sure, it was profitable technically. But even Waterworld eventually started to climb into the black, technically. Doesn't mean anyone cares. Avi Arad and Universal both called Hulk a financial failure because it failed to meet the traditional measure of success. Domestic gross must reach production budget.

By that same standard logic, FF: RotSS will probably be a success, stopping just around 15 million below the first one or so. But will it be considered ENOUGH of a success to justify a third? Answer hazy, ask again later.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Studios don´t like taking risks at all, 100-130 is a pretty big risk if you don´t feel very secure about the potential profitability. If FF2 is making considerably less than FF1, would you spend the same in a third? Hulk was actually a profitable movie, and Marvel had to finance it on its own and bring it all to square one again.

Yes I would if I were FOX cause they lack any big franchises to bank on like a Potter, Pirates, or Spider-Man. Things like FF are their best chances at making larger amounts (unless they decide to ressurct every dead franchise they still have).

 

[Spider-Fan]

You're right. They might wind up making the SS movie against all reason, and then when it bombs they'll say that the Fantastic Four franchise is over, because "it's the same series."

They've done it before.

Yes they have

Difference is I want a Surfer movie, though.

 

[Bishop2]

Yes they have

Difference is I want a Surfer movie, though.

I'd rather have FF3.

Just like I would've rather had DD2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'd rather have FF3.

Just like I would've rather had DD2.

I would rather of had DD2 also. However, I am a bigger fan of the Surfer personally more than the FF.

I do see the pattern, though.

 

[Mercurius]

I'd rather have FF Begins. t:

 

[Bishop2]

I'd rather have FF Begins. t:

You'd be hard-pressed to find the Christian Bale equivalent for Reed, Ben and Johnny, though. I don't think that casting is getting any better.

And dear god, not another movie where we spend almost the entire running time on the origin, that was the problem with the first one.

 

[Mercurius]

No, I wasn't thinking of making a BB-like. t: Just restart the franchise with the elements on place.

The recastings could exclude, obviously, Chicklis and Evans, they both performed a great job.

Everything else: restart. There's no way this team can get FF right.

 

[GL's Light]

Well said. Box office is less then 20 % of the whole picture. Why I'm not worried about a 3rd, nor am I worried about Story, or the rest of the cast. When the last bean is counted, it will have made a profit, the sequel will be anounced, and all will be happy again. They only spend 130 on the movie. If they spent 300 like Spider-Man 3, then there may be cause for concern. Everyone needs to chill out, and the detractors need to go back into the shadows. So if FF 2 makes 300 million, by the time it all said and done, the figure will be 1.2 billion ? That is good enough for a sequel.

By that measure, SR's total revenue was over $ 2 billion. No wonder they're still considering a sequel.

 

[Bishop2]

By that measure, SR's total revenue was over $ 2 billion. No wonder they're still considering a sequel.

Hell, by that measure Elektra 2 should be right around the corner.

 

[GL's Light]

Hell, by that measure Elektra 2 should be right around the corner.

Yep, if that was that easy to make great gobs of money Hollywood studios would have essentially no risk and be rolling in profits. I don't think the MPAA's study can be applied quite so bluntly.

 

[Agent 194]

Did anyone see Electra though?

 

[YJ1]

I'd rather have FF Begins. t:

It's a fact that Fantastic Four 1 made more money for Fox then BB did for the WB. BB2 will have the advantage of a less crowded summer but nothing is a given any more.

We need to support these films even more now.

 

[Mercurius]

I wasn't talking about money, exactly. I was trying to ask for a good movie, the way the FF deserve: restart, cuz the way it goes they will only sink this franchise forever.

I won't support a crappy movie like FF2. I want them to know they have to change it. t:

If they close it now and restart, it still have chances.

 

[ultimatefan]

Yes I would if I were FOX cause they lack any big franchises to bank on like a Potter, Pirates, or Spider-Man. Things like FF are their best chances at making larger amounts (unless they decide to ressurct every dead franchise they still have).

What you´re saying only makes a sequel seem even riskier. The X-Men franchise is still a better bet. They´have big hopes for the Wolverine spin-off.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What you´re saying only makes a sequel seem even riskier. The X-Men franchise is still a better bet. They´have big hopes for the Wolverine spin-off.

Wolverine will do quite fine, but other than that, FOX has not much else. FF is one of their better potential properties.

Unless they want to keep testing the Die Hard faithful. They lack any other summer potential hits.

 

[Mysterio]

It's a fact that Fantastic Four 1 made more money for Fox then BB did for the WB.

it is? are you talking profit or profit margin? or are you just talking box office receipts?

 

[GL's Light]

Monday estimates from SBD:

1. Transformers - $ 9.95 mil ($ 165.335 mil)
2. Ratatouille - $ 4.1 mil ($ 113.632 mil)
3. Die Hard 4 - $ 2.18 mil ($ 86.67 mil)
4. License to Wed - $ 1.405 mil ($ 19.243 mil)
5. Evan Almighty - $ 1.185 mil ($ 79.892 mil)
6. 1408 - $ 1.04 mil ($ 54.778 mil)
7. Knocked Up - $ 0.705 mil ($ 132.792 mil)
8. FF 2 - $ 0.545 mil ($ 124.296 mil)

FF 1 made $ 0.937 mil for a total of $ 137.194 mil on its corresponding day, and Hulk made $ 0.488 mil for a total of $ 125.157.

 

[Agent 194]

They need to do it right to begin with and there will be no need for reboots or "Begins" type of retellings.

 

[ultimatefan]

It's a fact that Fantastic Four 1 made more money for Fox then BB did for the WB. BB2 will have the advantage of a less crowded summer but nothing is a given any more.

We need to support these films even more now.

Quote your source. BB did more than FF domestically, where the studio gets a bigger share than overseas, and BB also sold better on DVD. Even with a bigger cost, if you account total revenue it more than made up for it.