Brand New Day for all of Marvel?!?!?!

[RAMORE]

All i'm saying is if this DC reboot makes a bunch of movie are boys at Marvel will surely have everyone in Marvel making a deal with the Devil...Just Sayingt:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think so. Their comics sales are fine without a big line-wide relaunch, and there's nothing especially nagging at the higher-ups with other characters the way the marriage was with Spider-Man.

 

[kguillou]

Well i mean, they're already relaunching a bunch of their titles anyway. Captain America, Thor, DD, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, FF, Alpha Flight all have #1's out this year. Plus Spiderman is getting the new Avenging Spider-man #1, Uncanny Xmen is getting canceled and likely relaunched with a shiny #1 before the year ends.Not to mention the Ultimate line is getting completely rebooted with all new #1's...marvel's pretty much got enough relaunches going on this year.

 

[Dread]

Spider-Marriages aside, Marvel have always been hesitant at best to hit the line-wide universal reset button. As has been mentioned, having a long term continuity doesn't stop Marvel from relaunching titles, nor does it stop certain writers from writing whatever the heck they want anyway. Slapdash editing, sadly, means there is less of a need for a reset button. Outright errors are never caught at the editorial level and usually another writer or the Handbook staff are left to fix it.

Marvel will be gauging how DC succeeds or fails with their 52 launches. However, Marvel's response isn't likely to follow suit - it will likely to be to publish more comics. Marvel has dominated partly by selling more product than DC, and this is DC upping that game (even if many of their titles won't last - does anyone envision GRIFTER making it to issue #25?).

The dilemma is I don't think the market can bare both companies shipping more comics than sanity suggests.

Initial sales figures for May, however, suggest that not only is the market still on the wane, but that FLASHPOINT is a dud. FEAR ITSELF went from 128k for issue one to 96k for issue two, and it STILL outsold FLASHPOINT #1 by a healthy margin.

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-05.html

 

[runawayboulder]

Every month when I see Bendis-vengers as the top selling ongoing I just shake my head....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well i mean, they're already relaunching a bunch of their titles anyway. Captain America, Thor, DD, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, FF, Alpha Flight all have #1's out this year. Plus Spiderman is getting the new Avenging Spider-man #1, Uncanny Xmen is getting canceled and likely relaunched with a shiny #1 before the year ends.Not to mention the Ultimate line is getting completely rebooted with all new #1's...marvel's pretty much got enough relaunches going on this year.

True, but those aren't relaunches in the same sense as DC's. DC's rebooting a lot of its continuity along with those relaunches. Only a few titles, like the Batman line and the Green Lantern line, will come out of the relaunch with all of their recent continuity, at least, unscathed. Thor, Cap, and a bunch of those other relaunches at Marvel were literally just new #1 issues, no change to any continuity. Granted, there is the Ultimate line, but let's be real here: nobody cares about the Ultimate line anymore.

 

[kguillou]

Thats very true. But then I think it's very unlikely that marvel would do what DC's doing with their whole universe. From the beginning, Marvel has always prided itself in the fact that all of its books are connected in the same universe/continuity and that continuity has (for the most part) remained intact over its 50 years of existence.


When you read a Marvel comic you often see the characters reference stuff that happened in their past alot. Like you could read an issue of Spiderman where he's talking to the human torch about an adventure they had in the 70's. You really don't get that with DC books. DC's continuity is pretty much nonexistant, which is why this relaunch can work for them.

If Marvel attempted what DC's doing, i think the fan outrage would be of epic proportions. Look what happened when they tried to change Spiderman with OMD, now imagine that but on a much much larger scale. There would be pitchforks at the marvel offices calling for blood. DC's fans have been trained to accept that DC has a loose continuity and that every few years things will start over and/or changed. I don't think Marvel could pull off that same trick. Then again....if DC's relaunch is successful.......

 

[runawayboulder]

That's why I've steered clear from DC for the most part. I was sick of the constant relaunches where it's claimed "this is it" to see the reset button hit a few years later. How is this time going to be any different?

 

[fifthfiend]

It's not gonna happen just because there's nothing else at Marvel that would cause the overgrown manchildren who run the comics industry to carry 20-year-old grudges the way that Spider-Man having an interesting and well-developed relationship did, or the way that silver age characters being replaced with and/or developing into interesting characters upset the people who work at DC.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Eh, nvm

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not gonna happen just because there's nothing else at Marvel that would cause the overgrown manchildren who run the comics industry to carry 20-year-old grudges the way that Spider-Man having an interesting and well-developed relationship did, or the way that silver age characters being replaced with and/or developing into interesting characters upset the people who work at DC.

I see what you did there.

 

[imdaly]

Here's an interesting question I saw brought up on another website:

If you were in charge of Marvel, and if Marvel DID do as DC is doing and reset all of their books to 52 new #1s, what would your 52 books be?

 

[runawayboulder]

Here's an interesting question I saw brought up on another website:

If you were in charge of Marvel, and if Marvel DID do as DC is doing and reset all of their books to 52 new #1s, what would your 52 books be?

It's impossible. Towards the end of the list I was stretching things out. Yeah I could put more Spider-Man books and ROM or the Micronauts but let's be real, some titles wouldn't last 1 year in the Digital Age. I highly doubt all 52 DC relaunches will make it 1 1/2-2yrs. So, instead I'll give you a list of titles that I would deem untouchable and safe from further relaunches. The other 22 slots can go to the never-ending array of events/tie-ins and minis. The one's in bold are high on my wishlist...

1.Avengers
2.ASM
3.Captain America
4.Thor
5.Iron Man
6.Fantastic Four
7.Uncanny X-Men
8.X-Men
9.Avengers West Coast
10.Wolverine
11.Daredevil
12.Punisher
13.PunisherMAX
14.Marvel Team Up
15.Avengers Academy
16.Peter Parker:The Spectacular Spider-Man
17.Thunderbolts
18.Heroes for Hire
19.DeadpoolMAX
20.Uncanny X-Force
21.Avengers Spotlight
22.Journey into Mystery
23.Strange Tales
24.The Incredible Hulk
25.Excalibur
26.Alpha Flight
27.Guardians of the Galaxy
28.Nova
29.The New Warriors
30.The 'NAM

 

[Themanofbat]

Here's an interesting question I saw brought up on another website:

If you were in charge of Marvel, and if Marvel DID do as DC is doing and reset all of their books to 52 new #1s, what would your 52 books be?

1. Avengers (cosmic)
2. Amazing Spider-Man
3. Captain America
4. Thor
5. Iron Man
6. Fantastic Four
7. Uncanny X-Men
8. Daredevil
9. Punisher
10. Thunderbolts
11. Man-Thing
12. Howard the Duck
13. Werewolf by Night
14. Marvel Team Up
15. Nova
16. Alpha Flight
17. The Incredible Hulk
18. Ka-Zar
19. Moon Knight
20. The Enigma Force (Micronauts)
21. Marvel West (featuring the Rawhide Kid & Kid Colt)
22. Guardians of the Galaxy
23. Silver Surfer
24. Black Panther
25. Cloak & Dagger
26. Venom
27. Shang Chi: Master of Kung Fu
28. Heroes for Hire
29. The New Warriors
30. The Defenders
31. Black Widow
32. Ghost Rider
33. Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos
34. Satana
35. She-Hulk
36. The Inhumans
37. Young Avengers
38. Blade
39. Tomb of Dracula
40. New Avengers (street)
41. Spider-Man & the Human Torch
42. Wolverine
43. The Scarlet Spider
44. NightHawk
45. Strange Tales
46. The Bar with No Name (this book would be in conjunction with all other hero books)
47. The Invaders
48. Namor the Submariner
49. Millie the Model
50. The Monster Hunters
51. Dr. Doom
52. Dr. Strange

While I would have loved to put the toy titles like Rom, Godzilla & Shogun Warriors, they're not going to happen, so I avoided them and used Marvel characters as we know them.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Avengers
1. Avengers
2. West Coast Avengers
3. Young Avengers
4. Avengers Academy
5. Iron Man
6. Captain America
7. Thor
8. The Incredible Hulk
9. She-Hulk

Spider-Man
10. Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends
11. Amazing Spider-Man
12. Peter Parker: Spider-Man
13. Amazing Spider-Girl
14. The Scarlet Spider


X-Men
15. X-Men
16. Uncanny X-Men
17. Wolverine MAX
18. Alpha Flight

Fantastic Four
19. Fantastic Four
20. The Inhumans
21. Black Panther
22. Namor: The Submariner

Solo/Street/Spy Books
23.Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos
24.Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
25.Black Widow
26.Daredevil
27.Punisher MAX
28.War Machine MAX
29.Cloak & Dagger MAX

Cosmic/Mystic Books
30.Dr. Strange
31.Nova
32.Nova Corp.
33.Guardians of the Galaxy
34.The Defenders
35.Strange Tales
36.Silver Surfer
37.Ghost Rider MAX

Team Books
38.The New Warriors
39.The Invaders
40.Thunderbolts
41.Heroes for Hire

Other Books
42.Western Tales
43.The World of 2099
44.Marvel Team Up
45.Super Villain Team Up

 

[Jennifer Walters]

1. Avengers
2. Heroes for Hire (Street Level Team-Ups. Basically a New Avengers style book, except they get payed)
3. The Amazing Spider-Man
4. The Incredible Hulk
5. X-Men (Rotating teams of characters going on different missions)
6. New Mutants (Focus on Younger X-Men, not just the ''standard" New Mutants)
7. X-Factor (The Detective Agency Version.)
8. West Coast Avengers
9. Young Avengers
10. Runaways
11. She Hulk
12. Ms. Marvel
13. Spider-Woman
14. Doctor Strange
15. Silver Surfer
16. Guardians of the Galaxy
17. Black Panther
18. Fantastic Four
19. Wolverine
20. Iron Man
21. Thor
22. Captain America
23. Daredevil
24. The Scarlet Spider
25. The Punisher
26. Thunderbolts
27. S.H.I.E.L.D. (Nick Fury, Black Widow, Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, and some new S.H.I.E.L.D. agents)
28. Nova
29. Avengers Academy
30. Cloak and Dagger
31. Marvel Team Up
32. Hercules
33. S.W.O.R.D. (Cosmic Version of S.H.I.E.L.D.)
34. Deadpool
35. The Illuminati (Doctor Strange, Xavier, Iron Man, Black Bolt, Reed, T'Challa, and Namor doing top secret missions and then covering them up from the other heroes.)
36. Blade
37. Ghost Rider
38. Howard the Duck
39. The Defenders (Doctor Strange, Clea, Nico, and Wiccan)
40. Luke Cage & Jewel (Bendis written. Just let him do whatever the **** they want. Keep them out of the Avengers books and to be honest I'd probably read it.)
41. Ant-Man (Hank Pym)
42. An N.Y.P.D. Police Book (Watanbe, Jean DeWolff, and others giving a unique perspective to the other side of fighting crime.)
43. Agents of Atlas
44. Alpha Flight
45. Iron Fist
46. Squirrel Girl (A comedy book in the line of Slott's She Hulk. Hell, give Slott the character.)
47 -52: New characters/properties.

 

[BoredGuy]

DC can be just so ridiculous, as this plan clearly is.
It hurts my head to even see lists such as these
If I went to a comic shop and saw every comic i had ever read rebooted, I'd just be like "**** it, thats it, I'm done"

 

[Targaryen]

DC can be just so ridiculous, as this plan clearly is.
It hurts my head to even see lists such as these
If I went to a comic shop and saw every comic i had ever read rebooted, I'd just be like "**** it, thats it, I'm done"

This.

Though I'm supporting Ultimate getting rebooted. It never recovered after Loebs hands touched it and it'd be nice to jump back on board and see how they do things second time around.

 

[Manic]

If I were to launch/relaunch 52 comics for Marvel, they'd be...


1. Avengers
2. West Coast Avengers
3. Avengers Academy
4. Uncanny X-Men
5. Astonishing X-Men
6. X-Men Academy
7. The Runaways
8. Daughters of the Dragon
9. Captain America
10. Iron Man
11. Thor
12. Wolverine
13. Amazing Spider-Man
14. FF
15. Incredible Hulk
16. She-Hulk
17. Punisher
18. Daredevil
19. MI:13
20. Doctor Strange
21. Black Panther
22. Young Avengers
23. Thunderbolts
24. Journey into Mystery
25. Amazing Fantasy
26. New Warriors
27. Alpha Flight
28. Deadpool
29. X-Factor
30. X-Force
31. Luke Cage
32. Ghost Rider
33. Nova
34. SHIELD
35. Hercules
36. SWORD
37. Cloak & Dagger
38. ATLAS
39. Moon Knight
40. Shang-Chi: Master of Kung-Fu
41. Howard the Duck
42. What If
43. What The?!
44. Lady Liberators
45. Hank Pym
46. Silver Surfer
47. Marvel Team-Up
48. Guardians of the Galaxy
49. Defenders
50. Inhumans
51. War Machine
52. Iron Fist & the Immortal Weapons

 

[runawayboulder]

I found 2 great pages that I'm still picking apart but they are great finds and somewhat relevant to this topic.

http://enterthestory.com/comic_sales.html

http://enterthestory.com/marvel_time.html

From skimming through the pages, I don't agree with some stuff but it's great info there....

 

[hippie_hunter]

Here's an interesting question I saw brought up on another website:

If you were in charge of Marvel, and if Marvel DID do as DC is doing and reset all of their books to 52 new #1s, what would your 52 books be?

Well first of all if I were EIC, I wouldn't be putting out 52 new books. Frankly the biggest problem that both Marvel and DC are doing is that they are putting out waaaay too much product. I think that the one thing that Ultimate line has done best is that they have kept it small and contained, make it feel like it's easy to get the whole story of the universe.

And second, I wouldn't be launching with new #1s. I think that #1 has been overused and that new readers will hop on board with a #642 just as much as a #1, they did it with Batman: Year One and Batman: Hush. You just have to make the comics themselves more accessible to new readers. That means don't unnecessarily bog it down with decades old continuity, make it affordable, and make it easy to obtain.

As for the books, I'd go with this:

Marvel Universe

1. Amazing Spider-Man
2. Avengers
3. Black Panther
4. Courageous Captain America
5. Daredevil: The Man Without Fear
6. Deadpool
7. Dr. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme
8. Fantastic Four
9. Ghost Rider
10. Immortal Iron Fist
11. Incredible Hulk
12. Invincible Iron Man
13. Luke Cage
14. Mighty Thor
15. Nick Fury: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.
16. New Mutants
17. New X-Men
18. Punisher
19. Silver Surfer
20. Thunderbolts
21. Uncanny X-Men
22. X-Factor
23. X-Force
24. Wolverine
25. Young Avengers

Now why would I stop at 25 titles? To keep things mostly contained. If people want to keep up with Spider-Man or the Avengers, all they would have to do is just keep up with Amazing Spider-man or the Avengers. It would also make room for other publishing initiatives

Disney Comics

1. Cars
2. Chip n' Dale: Rescue Rangers
3. Darkwing Duck
4. Donald Duck
5. Gargoyles
6. Goof Troop
7. the Incredibles
8. Mickey Mouse
9. The Muppet Show
10. Pirates of the Caribbean
11. Roger Rabbit
12. Toy Story
13. Tron
14. Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
15. Winnie the Pooh

 

[UltimateJustin]

The first ten years of a comics continuity are so much different than the next 50 or so years. The method of telling these never ending stories in short, monthly bursts spanning decades is conducive to insanity. I think comics continuity should be reset after every two issues. If you can't get it done story-wise in two books, it ain't happening.

 

[runawayboulder]

The first ten years of a comics continuity are so much different than the next 50 or so years. The method of telling these never ending stories in short, monthly bursts spanning decades is conducive to insanity. I think comics continuity should be reset after every two issues. If you can't get it done story-wise in two books, it ain't happening.

Well, I hope you never get a job at Marvel.

 

[Manic]

Reset after every two issues? Joses.

 

[Raiden]

The first ten years of a comics continuity are so much different than the next 50 or so years. The method of telling these never ending stories in short, monthly bursts spanning decades is conducive to insanity. I think comics continuity should be reset after every two issues. If you can't get it done story-wise in two books, it ain't happening.

If you have ever read a comic book series for a long period of time, you'll realize how ridiculous it is to suggest that continuity ends after two issues. But then again, you are probably just joking...right?