Brave and the Bold Casting Thread

[SwordOfMorning]

I am the biggest Fassbender fan in the world (of his acting, not his violent spousal abuse) but some of those guys are ****ing incredible performers. What are you talking about?!

 

[Invader Joker]

I am the biggest Fassbender fan in the world (of his acting, not his violent spousal abuse) but some of those guys are ****ing incredible performers. What are you talking about?!

I'm not talking about measuring their talents, I'm talking about the type. I'd be extremely hard pressed to think that a role originally written for Fassbender would go to Austin Butler, Dev Patel or Daniel Kaluuya. Jack O'Connell maaaaybe? But the presence being talked about with most of those examples is very different. It's as if you listed Barry Keoghan as a Jon Hamm type.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Are you serious? Austin Butler is totally the same type as Fassbender. Fassbender would have been the lead in Bikeriders 10 years ago. Probably the lead in The Green Knight too.

 

[Invader Joker]

Are you serious? Austin Butler is totally the same type as Fassbender. Fassbender would have been the lead in Bikeriders 10 years ago. Probably the lead in The Green Knight too.

Would Michael Fassbender ever have played Baz Lurrman's Elvis 10 years ago? Would Austin Butler or Dev Patel be considered for Magneto? Would they play for his role in Inglorious Basterds? It's a very different type you are talking about. Maybe there's some overlap with some roles that are very broad in the types they'd go for, but they'd commonly not be up for the same roles. And it's kinda irrelevant to bring them up because my point with bringing up Fassbender is that when he was 33-36 he could've absolutely been Batman in this still. Austin Butler and Dev Patel won't.

 

[Eddie Dean]

His role in Basterds is BOND, which Patel is both a popular casting for and would be very good as. Magneto in first class is basically just BOND too, but obviously Dev Patel as a German Jew born around WW2 is not appropriate casting, but in terms of vibe, acting ability and type it's exactly the kind of role Patel could play.

I bet Fassbender would have been considered for Elvis then, and would have been very good. Fassbender then and Butler now are both very in the Val Kilmer, young, good looking, dangerous with edge type... which happens to be the type perfect for Batman.

 

[Invader Joker]

His role in Basterds is BOND, which Patel is both a popular casting for and would be very good as. Magneto in first class is basically just BOND too, but obviously Dev Patel as a German Jew born around WW2 is not appropriate casting, but in terms of vibe, acting ability and type it's exactly the kind of role Patel could play.

I bet Fassbender would have been considered for Elvis then, and would have been very good. Fassbender then and Butler now are both very in the Val Kilmer, young, good looking, dangerous with edge type... which happens to be the type perfect for Batman.

You wanna know which PoC actor IS a Fassbender type? Yahya Abdul Mateen. Tall, broad frame, imposing, muscular, hyper manly mature face, extremely intense and smooth. That's the type I'm talking about. Almost any role that Yahya has played (race not withstanding) Fassy could as well with the same effect and viceversa. I like Dev Patel very much but that is not him and it certainly is not Austin Butler.

And for the record I think Yahya would kill it as Batman in this movie. He easily wipes the floor with pretty much anyone else in his age range as a fit for the character. But the odds that Gunn would racebend the character when he's avoided so for the big roles on Legacy are really low.


And... dude. Austin Butler? Really? As Batman? For this? Come on. You listed Ashton Kutcher as someone that'd have been an awful Batman and yet he somehow would be a better fit visually than Butler even if he'd still be awful. If Butler is gonna get any role here it's as Nightwing. Batman would take me all day to list all reasons as to why that's a dumb idea.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I would to hear some of them, because I don’t see how Butler is a bad fit in anyway for Batman. He’s sexy, tall, good at brooding and darkness, can play a rich recluse who prounces around in a cape, is in an unhealthy partnership with a minor and is in constant conflict with an eccentric queer coded villain who wears suits and attempts to psychologically destroy him.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Butler would have been incredible in The Batman especially had it been made a year or two later.

 

[Invader Joker]

I would to hear some of them, because I don’t see how Butler is a bad fit in anyway for Batman. He’s sexy, tall, good at brooding and darkness, can play a rich recluse who prounces around in a cape, is in an unhealthy partnership with a minor and is in constant conflict with an eccentric queer coded villain who wears suits and attempts to psychologically destroy him.

Let's start with the most obvious one: He's 32 but looks about 10 years younger. He's /incredibly/ babyfaced in a way that not only does not suit Batman in general but /definitely/ doesn't suit a Batman that already has what'll probably be a 10-15 year old biological son and a young adult adoptive one at the very least. You put Austin Butler next to a 20 something year old actor playing Nightwing and it'd be the most ridiculous visual of all time. Not to mention, there is nothing about any of his performances that indicates he can play intense and dominant in the way that Batman is (His Elvis movie intentionally downplayed that element of Elvis in order to portray the character as a victim to the Colonel, which is the reason Elordi's movie exists in the first place) let alone stoic. He's a really good actor, but his type is definitely not Batman and definitely not "Grant Morrison inspired Batman that has Damian and an extended Bat-Family".

Butler would have been incredible in The Batman especially had it been made a year or two later.

Maybe because of the whole recluse rockstar angle but even then I doubt he'd even be considered for that since there's nothing that really signals he could play the other facets of Matt's Batman that were portrayed in the movie. Jacob Elordi would be the better fit between the two Elvis.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Like you get he's an actor right? Like he plays roles the way they are written in a script and doesn't have to play that same role in other movies? I'm sure the reason why he has been cast in Dune 2 as the cruel, ruthless killer sent to destroy the galactic messiah is because he can't play cruel or dominant.

 

[Invader Joker]

Like you get he's an actor right? Like he plays roles the way they are written in a script and doesn't have to play that same role in other movies? I'm sure the reason why he has been cast in Dune 2 as the cruel, ruthless killer sent to destroy the galactic messiah is because he can't play cruel or dominant.

Well, Dune 2 hasn't released yet so I can't judge him on that, I can only by the performances he's already put out on his career which are all similar type of characters which doesn't suggest to me he could go for the entire shapeshift he'd need to play anything resembling any version of Batman.

And even then, his looks alone make the idea pretty dumb dude. He could be the most chamaleonic actor of all time, be able to change his voice, posture, portray any emotion, whatever, and his looks would /still/ make the idea of him as this specific Batman astoundingly ridiculous. This Batman is supposed to be way more seasoned than Pattinson's but Butler is and looks younger than Robert by a significant margin. It's just an awful idea that thankfully has about 0% chance of happening.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I don't think his role in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is anything like his role in Elvis in Yoga Hoisers.

 

[Invader Joker]

I don't think his role in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is anything like his role in Elvis in Yoga Hoisers.

And none of them are anything even remotely close to resembling something like this nor would there be any reason to think he could because his looks and general presence a lot could not be further from it lol

 

[Eddie Dean]

You're moving the goal posts. Your original assertion was that there are no actors in their 30s who could play Batman, which Butler is, and could.

 

[Invader Joker]

You're moving the goal posts. Your original assertion was that there are no actors in their 30s who could play Batman, which Butler is, and could.

Well seeing how we are in Brave and the Bold casting thread I think the "could play Batman in this specific movie" was already pretty much implied!

 

[Invader Joker]

Mine too!

Oliver would be great. He's also in the age range I think they'll actually go for on this even if my personal instinct says an actor in his 40s would be ideal.

I think it's pretty much Oliver's to lose if the age range is 30-40 since his competition is incredibly, incredibly weak save for Ethan Peck and Theo James who I think he could conceivably beat. That being said, if the age range is more like mid 30s to mid 40s I think people like Lee Pace or Josh Hartnett are more likely to get the role instead.


And I do tend to think the age range will be the latter since I haven't really seen any indication Gunn will obsess over youth for this. The Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner castings already showed he doesn't care if an actor is 40 or more for a superhero role, and between what's also described as a veteran Hal Jordan I can't see any reason he'd fixate on Batman /needing/ to be in his 30s. He only seems to care when there's a story reason that calls for the actor being a specific age (Superman is early years so he has to be young, and I assume he wants to evoke the Birthright story with Luthor too so maybe he also wanted Luthor around the age as Superman for that reason) but here unless they do something really unexpected in the script I don't see it.

We're also way past the point where late 40s to 50s would be too old for an action movie star since most of the modern day action movie stars are that age or older (Cruise and Reeves) so even traditional studio logic shouldn't rule older actors out either. Hell, even Marvel, who are the ones that pioneered this long-term plans, connected universe stuff, just cast a 48 year old for Reed Richards who could very well become the face of the MCU for the next 10 years, so if they don't care I don't see why Gunn would care.

Speaking of Hartnett, I think John Logan's hiring has just bumped him as an extraordinarily strong possibility for this:

He was a major role on Penny Dreadful, a show John Logan created, showran and wrote every episode for. I haven't seen the show myself, but his character is described as "a charming, brash and daring American man of action with uncanny marksmanship, who detests violence, and is more complicated than he likes to admit" so I could see how he could see a Batman in him based on that. Would not be surprised at all if John Logan started writing the script with Hartnett in mind, actually.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I realize other people find him handsome but I don’t think Lee Pace is a good looking guy. Something about his face really bothers me.

All the actors to have played Batman have been handsome IMO. Austin Butler is actually kind of a good idea for a Val Kilmer esque Batman. Hartnett would obviously be great too if he’s not Two Face in The Batman II.

 

[flickchick85]

I realize other people find him handsome but I don’t think Lee Pace is a good looking guy. Something about his face really bothers me.

That is most definitely a “you” problem lol. I feel that way about Austin Butler though, so I get it.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Austin Butler is such a good looking guy, that’s a wild take. Lee Pace looks more like Brian Bolland Joker to me, I find him jarringly unattractive but yep beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, Pace’s face is bothersome and punchable but yes obviously I realize others find him attractive. Just a personal problem I have with him being cast. His casting would hinder my enjoyment of the film.

 

[Invader Joker]

Austin Butler is such a good looking guy, that’s a wild take. Lee Pace looks more like Brian Bolland Joker to me, I find him jarringly unattractive but yep beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, Pace’s face is bothersome and punchable but yes obviously I realize others find him attractive. Just a personal problem I have with him being cast. His casting would hinder my enjoyment of the film.

I think you are strictly on the minority on this. And we had this conversation before.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

20s
Jacob Elordi

30s
Oliver Jackson Cohen
Austin Butler
Christopher Abbott
Penn Badgley (probably too short compared to Corenswet)

40s
Ryan Gosling
Jake Gyllenhaal
Taylor Kitsch (I know people think he’s bland but True Detective season 2 sold me- he’s great!)
Josh Hartnett
Bradley Cooper
Michael Fassbender

50s
Jon Hamm
Josh Brolin

 

[Invader Joker]

30s
-Ethan Peck
-Oliver Jackson Cohen
-Jonathan Groff.
-Jonathan Bailey (But he's probably too short for what Gunn would want)
40s
-Lee Pace
-Josh Hartnett
-Tom Pelphrey
-Jake Gyllenhaal
-Bradley Cooper
-Michael Fassbender.
50s
-Eric Bana
-Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

Favorites overall are Lee, Gyllenhaal, Hartnett, Peck, Tom Pelphrey. Likeliest ones I think are Lee, Gyllenhaal, Hartnett and Jackson Cohen; Bradley too if he wants it, I'm not sure Gunn would turn him down.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

That is most definitely a “you” problem lol. I feel that way about Austin Butler though, so I get it.

Austin Butler is an absurdly beautiful man. Lee Pace is too.

 

[Boom]

If it's not Pace I will jump in front of a taxi.

 

[Invader Joker]

If it's not Pace I will jump in front of a taxi.

The good thing is that since Gunn favors people he's worked with before that automatically makes him the most likely not knowing any other details at the moment.