Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[Duke]

It took 10 years to find him because Pakistan denied he was in Pakistan for the past 6 years. He also deserved to die regardless of whether or not he was unarmed or outnumbered (as if he deserves a fair fight anyway). You can say the US looks weak, but you can also argue they look strong. If we know where you are, we will get you.




It will be harder for al-Qaeda. There is no one with the clout of Osama to replace him. People who joined al-Qaeda specifically swore loyalty to him.

word.

 

[DACrowe]

Not bad guys, just hypocrits. You brake human rights, then you have the audacity to critizice others for it. Oh, except you don't when it comes to your oil supplying friends, like Saudi Arabia. And let's not forget all those dictators US has supported as long as they allowed US companies to exploit the countries resources.

Waterboarding and the abuse of human rights the US has committed in the last ten years such as rendition is awful.

But does that create a moral equivalency to the Libyan government being on the verge of committing mass murder/possible genocide? Does that mean we cannot criticize China's oppression of its people or Russia from murdering journalists?! Does that make us as bad and on the same level as the mass murderer who until recently ruled the Ivory Coast?

I think not. That argument is childish and devoid of reality. It is an attempt to create moral equivalency based on a distaste for Americanism. I too dislike a lot of what America has done in the last decade in the name of a "War on Terror" (or WMDs in particular), but that does not mean the US is by default as bad as China, much less Libya or Iran. That is just stupid logic that has no foundation upon examination.

 

[DACrowe]

Three pictures have now been leaked showing three dead men in the Osama compound. They're definitely real as well. Pretty bloody but nothing people haven't seen in a rated R movie.

LiveLeak has just released them. Its only a matter of time before the Osama Bin Laden picture is leaked.

I don't understand why people care. Will it provide more "closure?" Will it convince the crackpots?

Doubtful.

Will it incite violence against Americans or at least raise the risks for American soldiers in the Middle East?

Probable.

It's not hard to see why the latter is the one to focus on more.

 

[roach]

Why do you want to know that? So you could look up if my country does it too? So you could say so? That wouldn't make your country any less hypocritical in it's dealings with the saudis and other regimes. But if you must know, I'm from Finland.

nope just want to know the mindframe of the person im debating

 

[redfirebird2008]

Wow, he really said that?

Anyone can log onto a website and see countless beheading videos, executions, suicide attacks etc. All much worse than a picture. And for the record, I think not releasing the images, despite how much I want to see them, is a smart move.

I think it is the smart move too, but I don't think he framed it very well in that interview. I don't really have any sympathy for Muslims who might be angered by a gruesome picture of dead Bin Laden, and I think it's ridiculous for him to compare it to pictures of dead American troops.

However, I do know that terrorist organizations would LOVE to use such a photo for recruiting purposes. If we can prevent impressionable people from being turned into terrorists, then I say keep the thing under wraps as long as possible.

 

[nouan]

Waterboarding and the abuse of human rights the US has committed in the last ten years such as rendition is awful.

But does that create a moral equivalency to the Libyan government being on the verge of committing mass murder/possible genocide? Does that mean we cannot criticize China's oppression of its people or Russia from murdering journalists?! Does that make us as bad and on the same level as the mass murderer who until recently ruled the Ivory Coast?

I think not. That argument is childish and devoid of reality. It is an attempt to create moral equivalency based on a distaste for Americanism. I too dislike a lot of what America has done in the last decade in the name of a "War on Terror" (or WMDs in particular), but that does not mean the US is by default as bad as China, much less Libya or Iran. That is just stupid logic that has no foundation upon examination.

I never said US is as bad as those countries. It's just that those countries are not championing for liberty and democracy. You rarely hear China condemning Russian's prisons as human rights violations, but US does, while same time maintaining a prison like quantanamo.

 

[DACrowe]

Guantanamo not Quantanamo.

Complaining about US hypocrisy is not the same as:

You brake human rights, then you have the audacity to critizice others for it.

What you're suggesting is that we should not condemn egregious human rights violations. And as bad as you think Guantanamo is, it is not the same as what China running its people over with tanks or Russia murdering media critics in other countries. And as the rest of the world seems fine with that but furious at the US, it seems to me that it stems from resentment of America's power and not of a sense of outrage towards hypocrisy. That is what it appears to be.

 

[Yurka]

I think it is the smart move too, but I don't think he framed it very well in that interview. I don't really have any sympathy for Muslims who might be angered by a gruesome picture of dead Bin Laden, and I think it's ridiculous for him to compare it to pictures of dead American troops.

However, I do know that terrorist organizations would LOVE to use such a photo for recruiting purposes. If we can prevent impressionable people from being turned into terrorists, then I say keep the thing under wraps as long as possible.

Indeed. While it certainly bothers me seeing images of the horrific acts they routinely perpetrate, I dont personally feel the urge to retaliate. However, Jihad is all the other side knows, any small piece of information that can be spun to motivate them even more, does so, no matter how petty.

I never said US is as bad as those countries. It's just that those countries are not championing for liberty and democracy. You rarely hear China condemning Russian's prisons as human rights violations, but US does, while same time maintaining a prison like quantanamo.

Its been said now that information gathered through water-boarding Khalid Sheikh Muhammad at Guantanamo was what got the ball rolling on this Bin Laden operation though...
Thats a whole nother can of worms.

 

[Calvin]

Indeed. While it certainly bothers me seeing images of the horrific acts they routinely perpetrate, I dont personally feel the urge to retaliate. However, Jihad is all the other side knows, any small piece of information that can be spun to motivate them even more, does so, no matter how petty.




Its been said now though that water-boarding Khalid Sheikh Muhammad at Guantanamo was what got the ball rolling on this Bin Laden operation though...
Thats a whole nother can of worms.

Reports seem to be pretty mixed and conflicting though. Half say they did, half say they didn't.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't understand why people care. Will it provide more "closure?" Will it convince the crackpots?

Doubtful.

Will it incite violence against Americans or at least raise the risks for American soldiers in the Middle East?

Probable.

It's not hard to see why the latter is the one to focus on more.

I agree. There's no point to releasing the graphic images. People will still claim he was killed years ago and it was just announced now to distract from the birth certificate being fake or whatever garbage people come up with. They will still claim they are photoshopped. After all, there are still people who deny the moon landing despite there being evidence FROM THE MOON!

 

[Kelly]

I like how the internet makes everyone a Junior Foreign Affairs Expert

It is amazing isn't it....lol

 

[nouan]

Guantanamo not Quantanamo.

Complaining about US hypocrisy is not the same as:

What you're suggesting is that we should not condemn egregious human rights violations. And as bad as you think Guantanamo is, it is not the same as what China running its people over with tanks or Russia murdering media critics in other countries. And as the rest of the world seems fine with that but furious at the US, it seems to me that it stems from resentment of America's power and not of a sense of outrage towards hypocrisy. That is what it appears to be.

Well I can't speak for the rest of the world, just for myself. And I resent the fact that US throws around words like freedom, democracy and justice as it engages some other country, when those are not truly what it cares about. Also, when US tortures people, it loses alot of the shine it may have once had.

 

[Arc-Light]

t:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4b...in-laden-s-death-with-will-ferrell?rel=player

 

[Arc-Light]

Who was responsible for Rebecca Black?

Low blow man.........

 

[Calvin]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/141342/20110504/osama-dead-new-photos-inside-the-compound.htm

Sorry if this got posted already, but here's some pictures taken after the operation. Some dead bodies here, so beware it's a little gruesome. Coolest thing? The badass mother-****ing helicopter the likes of which I've never seen before.

 

[roach]

Well I can't speak for the rest of the world, just for myself. And I resent the fact that US throws around words like freedom, democracy and justice as it engages some other country, when those are not truly what it cares about. Also, when US tortures people, it loses alot of the shine it may have once had.

and the truth shall set you free

 

[nouan]

Its been said now that information gathered through water-boarding Khalid Sheikh Muhammad at Guantanamo was what got the ball rolling on this Bin Laden operation though...
Thats a whole nother can of worms.

I seem to remember reading that they DID NOT get the info by torture, but later from a regular interrogation.

 

[Yurka]

Reports seem to be pretty mixed and conflicting though. Half say they did, half say they didn't.

Is it? Almost everywhere I've heard that they either A) Got the name of the courier directly from him or B) took the name of the supposed courier to Muhammad in Guantanamo and he eventually confirmed that it was him.

 

[Calvin]

In case you don't want to see the corpse photos, here's a photo of the helicopter from that link (let me know if they have hotlinking disabled).

 

[roach]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/141342/20110504/osama-dead-new-photos-inside-the-compound.htm

Sorry if this got posted already, but here's some pictures taken after the operation. Some dead bodies here, so beware it's a little gruesome. Coolest thing? The badass mother-****ing helicopter the likes of which I've never seen before.

DEVGRU...aka SEAL Team Six also help design and test out new military technology...they had stealth choppers

 

[nouan]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/141342/20110504/osama-dead-new-photos-inside-the-compound.htm

Sorry if this got posted already, but here's some pictures taken after the operation. Some dead bodies here, so beware it's a little gruesome. Coolest thing? The badass mother-****ing helicopter the likes of which I've never seen before.

Okay... please tell me that colorful waterpistol wasn't the weapon this guy used when he was in the heated battle.

Nah, it must've belonged to one those eight kids that were in the building during the assault.

 

[Calvin]

Okay... please tell me that colorful waterpistol wasn't the weapon this guy used when he was in the heated battle.

Nah, it must've belonged to one those eight kids that were in the building during the assault.

He was colorblind, and thought he was grabbing a real gun. Apparently reports say that the same combatant also bit the stem out of an apple and then threw it at the navy seals.

 

[Yurka]

I seem to remember reading that they DID NOT get the info by torture, but later from a regular interrogation.

That was the other half of the story I heard, that they got the name through "regular" interrogation then brought it to Muhammad at Guantanamo and after water-boarding he confirmed it.

 

[Calvin]

That helicopter looks like Sharktopus.

 

[spidey44]

I know I'm young and you older guys got lied to a lot by the government in the past, but I'm pretty sure if you guys saw the pictures of bin laden (they're not going to release them) you would regret it, someone getting shot in the head is not a pretty site. If they do release them later be sure to have the washer machine running to clean the puke off your shirt.