Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[bullets]

Okay... please tell me that colorful waterpistol wasn't the weapon this guy used when he was in the heated battle.
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it was his only resort

 

[CelticPredator]

Because then it wouldnt look like him. They said it wasnt a tiny little dot, HIS WHOLE HEAD IS EXPLODED. So...to cover it would require it to cover his whole face.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I guess so! Yea I havent seen that yet. It looks fake to me, doesnt match the description of the bullet wounds either.

The brain thing matches, but I think I saw a quote from a member of Congress who said his eye was completely gone.

 

[CelticPredator]

it was his only resort

It was filled with piss!

 

[nouan]

i dont mind debating people who dont agree with my views but you are just grasping at straws....looking for some piece of information that will open up a conspiracy...the whole Missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11 conspiracy stemmed from someone who never heard a missile said it sounded like a missile

Okay, I'll respond to this one and then I just won't. I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I just wouldn't be suprised if the events turned out to be different than what we were told. Is it not plausible that the battle only lasted for 10 minutes? If the hole thing lasted for 40 minutes? Okay, too many questions, I really will stop commenting now.

 

[Shemtov]

Guantanamo not Quantanamo.
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Perhaps they spell it differently in Finnish.

 

[CelticPredator]

It's also possible that Osama was actually an Alien, and this was orchestrated by the MIB.

 

[Calvin]

The brain thing matches, but I think I saw a quote from a member of Congress who said his eye was completely gone.

Maybe this photo is the one that Senator Scott (sp?) saw when he said he saw the real photo (even though the photo he saw was not directly from the administration). He later said he had come to realize that the photo he saw wasn't correct, and was not shown to him by the administration. Not sure why he'd be dumb enough to proclaim he saw the photo when it wasn't given/shown to him by the administration, but maybe it's the same one we're looking at.

 

[roach]

It's also possible that Osama was actually an Alien, and this was orchestrated by the MIB.

then the watergun was actually the Noisy Cricket

 

[nouan]

Perhaps they spell it differently in Finnish.

We spell it the same, I just hit the wrong button. Was writing fast, surely happens to anyone. Surely not the most important thing to pick on.

 

[Yurka]

The brain thing matches, but I think I saw a quote from a member of Congress who said his eye was completely gone.

Exactly.



Also, theres potential a s***-storm coming due to the tail of the heli-copter left behind. Apparently we want it back because we're afraid the Chinese might get a hold of it and potential information, so we're in talks with Pakistan now.

 

[Shemtov]

Okay, I'll respond to this one and then I just won't. I'm not looking for a conspiracy. I just wouldn't be suprised if the events turned out to be different than what we were told. Is it not plausible that the battle only lasted for 10 minutes? If the hole thing lasted for 40 minutes? Okay, too many questions, I really will stop commenting now.

whole. with a w. I needed to read that a couple of times, thinking you were talking about OBL's bullet-hole.

 

[regwec]

no you are making up BS...it does not take 40 minutes for 24 Navy SEALs to overcome unarmed people

Your view works on the assumption that everything went to plan. I don't understand why you are assuming that the length of the mission indicates a firefight. You could equally well ask why on earth it the soldiers dithered around so much after the unarmed people had been killed.

Perhaps they were spending the time extracting computer hard drives, or maybe they were debating the best story to tell.

I note that both in this mission and after the death of Linda Norgrove, people involved didn't tell the truth about what happened. We were told that Norgrove was killed by a Taliban suicide bomb during her rescue, when in fact she died from injuries caused by an American grenade. This time, we were told that Osama was armed and used his wife as a human shield, when if fact he was unarmed and his wife attacked the heavily armed American soldiers with her bare hands.

It does not inspire confidence that we are always given a (false) version of events that seems to be from a Hollywood script, before it is retracted and the SEALS or marines or whoever are revealed to be a lot less heroic or professional than they would have us believe.

If we had been told from the outset that about 30 of our guys found Bin Laden unarmed and shot him dead, accidentally injuring an innocent woman, too, then I would take it at face value. The world is a cruel place, and he was an evil man. But the cheap propaganda and the awkward backtracks just make America seem like it has more to be ashamed of than it probably does.

 

[Calvin]

Ha, I thought this was great.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Exactly.



Also, theres potential a s***-storm coming due to the tail of the heli-copter left behind. Apparently we want it back because we're afraid the Chinese might get a hold of it and potential information, so we're in talks with Pakistan now.

Wow. Bet that thing has the best technology on the planet. So now what, guess we gotta keep giving that $3 billion per year to Pakistan to get our helicopter back? Sucks, but gotta do what we gotta do.

 

[roach]

If we had been told from the outset that about 30 of our guys found Bin Laden unarmed and shot him dead, accidentally injuring an innocent woman, too, then I would take it at face value. The world is a cruel place, and he was an evil man. But the cheap propaganda and the awkward backtracks just make America seem like it has more to be ashamed of than it probably does.

so you'll believe anything if it makes the US look bad but you wont believe anything that makes the US look good???

 

[Motown Marvel]

Your view works on the assumption that everything went to plan. I don't understand why you are assuming that the length of the mission indicates a firefight. You could equally well ask why on earth it the soldiers dithered around so much after the unarmed people had been killed.

Perhaps they were spending the time extracting computer hard drives, or maybe they were debating the best story to tell.

I note that both in this mission and after the death of Linda Norgrove, people involved didn't tell the truth about what happened. We were told that Norgrove was killed by a Taliban suicide bomb during her rescue, when in fact she died from injuries caused by an American grenade. This time, we were told that Osama was armed and used his wife as a human shield, when if fact he was unarmed and his wife attacked the heavily armed American soldiers with her bare hands.

It does not inspire confidence that we are always given a (false) version of events that seems to be from a Hollywood script, before it is retracted and the SEALS or marines or whoever are revealed to be a lot less heroic or professional than they would have us believe.

If we had been told from the outset that about 30 of our guys found Bin Laden unarmed and shot him dead, accidentally injuring an innocent woman, too, then I would take it at face value. The world is a cruel place, and he was an evil man. But the cheap propaganda and the awkward backtracks just make America seem like it has more to be ashamed of than it probably does.

early reports come from a lot of people getting their information from a lot of places who have a lot of different views and takes. an eager government wanting to get the important information to eager journalists to report to eager citizens, there will be mistakes in details that will be refined once the information is able to settle, straightened, and defined. its not a matter of the government purposefully lying to the country.

 

[Calvin]

early reports come from a lot of people getting their information from a lot of places who have a lot of different views and takes. an eager government wanting to get the important information to eager journalists to report to eager citizens, there will be mistakes in details that will be refined once the information is able to settle, straightened, and defined. its not a matter of the government purposefully lying to the country.

Not to mention, if they were lying, why would they correct their own lies.

 

[regwec]

so you'll believe anything if it makes the US look bad but you wont believe anything that makes the US look good???

No, don't be silly. If they gave us the bad version then the good, that would be fine, too. It obviously seems a lot worse if you lie to give a favorable impression, then have to backtrack. That is what happened in both cases.

 

[yoshimura]

I still spend my money in whatever way I want to there goes your economic freedoms I lost.

Try not to pay your taxes. You don't spend you money on whatever way you want, unless you're willing to risk your life.

I can tell you dont live in the US

You can tell someone to not live in North Korea. Doesn't change the fact that freedoms are being deprived.

No one at a bus stop is being checkpointed.

Gary Milano, the federal security director for TSA, formally introduces bus stop checkpoints in this video:
[YT]http://youtu.be/UQr_I9iCs6w[/YT]
Since then, they have been slowly rolled out.
There are also roadside vehicle checkpoints: link
And setting mobile checkpoints for anywhere (malls, arenas…). Here's a convenient DHS video explaining it to us:
[YT]http://youtu.be/4wqooBmYfQ45[/YT]
These checkpoints are essentially the same thing as the Nazi checkpoints that everyone in America were against during World War 2.

I took a train last week and I was concerned at the lack of security. I never showed my ID once

Here's a video of a family who had to show their ID and had to be searched after taking a train: [YT]http://youtu.be/V1B3AubsTBo[/YT]

Border checkpoints were here way before the Patriot Act

Before, they weren't the TSA's Constitution-Free Zone:

To sum up, if you run afoul of the nation's "national security" apparatus, you're completely on your own. There are no firm rules, no case law, no real appeals processes, no normal array of Constitutional rights, no lawyers to help, and generally none of the other things that we as American citizens expect to be able to fall back on when we've been (justly or unjustly) identified by the government as wrong-doers.

"If you see something say something" used to be called Neighborhood Watch which was here before the Patriot Act

Neighborhood Watch is also in Canada. "See something, say something" is a national program that has the government collaborating with large corporations and organizations.

Yeah those cameras are called traffic cams...been here before the Patriot Act

They aren't traffic cams.

Peace

 

[Calvin]

Wow. Bet that thing has the best technology on the planet. So now what, guess we gotta keep giving that $3 billion per year to Pakistan to get our helicopter back? Sucks, but gotta do what we gotta do.

We were likely going to have to keep giving that aid regardless.

 

[roach]

its like weed wackin...one crazy goes away and another rises to take his place

 

[Yurka]

Wow. Bet that thing has the best technology on the planet. So now what, guess we gotta keep giving that $3 billion per year to Pakistan to get our helicopter back? Sucks, but gotta do what we gotta do.

It appears to be lose-lose at this point.

 

[roach]

No, don't be silly. If they gave us the bad version then the good, that would be fine, too. It obviously seems a lot worse if you lie to give a favorable impression, then have to backtrack. That is what happened in both cases.

i am going off what you said...you said if they came out with a story that makes the US look bad you'd believe it...but the account the government is telling a different story and you dont believe it

 

[regwec]

early reports come from a lot of people getting their information from a lot of places who have a lot of different views and takes. an eager government wanting to get the important information to eager journalists to report to eager citizens, there will be mistakes in details that will be refined once the information is able to settle, straightened, and defined. its not a matter of the government purposefully lying to the country.

Yes, I am willing to include the American media in the blame, since they seem to be desperate for some sort of patriotic storyline. Spokespeople should not give out dubious information, and journalists shouldn't race away with it.

In either case, the effect is the same: it seems dishonest and somewhat dishonourable.