Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[roach]

Try not to pay your taxes. You don't spend you money on whatever way you want, unless you're willing to risk your life.

thats not a new freedom taken away...thats as old as america itself


You can tell someone to not live in North Korea. Doesn't change the fact that freedoms are being deprived.

No what I said is I can see that you dont live in America because non of these things have come to past


Gary Milano, the federal security director for TSA, formally introduces bus stop checkpoints in this video:
[YT]http://youtu.be/UQr_I9iCs6w[/YT]
Since then, they have been slowly rolled out.
There are also roadside vehicle checkpoints: link
And setting mobile checkpoints for anywhere (malls, arenas…). Here's a convenient DHS video explaining it to us:
[YT]http://youtu.be/4wqooBmYfQ45[/YT]
These checkpoints are essentially the same thing as the Nazi checkpoints that everyone in America were against during World War 2.

So they are inspecting trucks...which they were doing anyway


Here's a video of a family who had to show their ID and had to be searched after taking a train: [YT]http://youtu.be/V1B3AubsTBo[/YT]

I just took a train last week and I can tell you no one was searched

the TSA's Constitution-Free Zone:



See something say something...i dont even know what that is but I know of Neighbor hood watches
Neighborhood Watch is also in Canada. "See something, say something" is a national program that has the government collaborating with large corporations and organizations.


They aren't traffic cams.

Peace

again no freedoms were taken

 

[regwec]

i am going off what you said...you said if they came out with a story that makes the US look bad you'd believe it...but the account the government is telling a different story and you dont believe it

I think it is common sense to suppose that a government is not going to fabricate a story that makes their forces look less brave or competent than they actually are.

That isn't a bias- I would apply that to any government.

 

[yoshimura]

its like weed wackin...one crazy goes away and another rises to take his place

A crazy notion is to base a position on unlikely and flawed arguments. I just provided the facts Roach.

 

[roach]

I think it is common sense to suppose that a government is not going to fabricate a story that makes their forces look less brave or competent than they actually are.

That isn't a bias- I would apply that to any government.

no thats the very definition of bias

 

[yoshimura]

again no freedoms were taken

In what way? They clearly show that freedoms are taken away.

 

[Kelly]

Well, what people need to do is......

If you want to know what the White House thinks, what they believe to have happened according to the debriefing AFTER this all happened..., then you wait for the White House to give the information. Pretty simple....

If you want to listen to all kinds of different stories about what happened, and then jump to the conclusion that the White House lied....then you are no better than those journalists that ran with the first stories they heard...

 

[DACrowe]

We have no facts, that's why I question.

Just looking... at those photos... they have no visible entry wounds... in they're face or torso... so I'm wondering if they were shot in the back while running away or... ???

You make up wild conspiracy theories based on personal biases and assumptions, not facts. That's not asking questions, that's being Glenn Beck: i.e. making **** up. That does not prove anything but stir the pot based on everything but facts. Let's be serious.

 

[roach]

A crazy notion is to base notions on unlikely and flawed arguments. I just provided the facts Roach.

unlikely or flawed arguments...I am basing my arguements on what freedoms are being stolen on my life...not on a video on youtube or an article that I read on some fringe internet newspaper
I am basing it on what I see.
I just had my university's spring break and I took a train..not once was I searched, asked for ID or anything

 

[regwec]

no thats the very definition of bias

No it isn't. I said I would apply that reasoning to any government. In what possible way is that bias, and against whom?

 

[roach]

In what way? They clearly show that freedoms are taken away.

what country do you live in?

 

[roach]

No it isn't. I said I would apply that reasoning to any government. In what possible way is that bias, and against whom?

because at no time are you willing to believe anything they say unless it makes them look bad...thats bias

 

[regwec]

Well, what people need to do is......

If you want to know what the White House thinks, what they believe to have happened according to the debriefing AFTER this all happened..., then you wait for the White House to give the information. Pretty simple....

If you want to listen to all kinds of different stories about what happened, and then jump to the conclusion that the White House lied....then you are no better than those journalists that ran with the first stories they heard...

Who did the journalists speak to? Unless you are suggesting that your country's news media is so debased that journalists simply make things up, then it is safe to say that someone associated with the US government or military would be better off finding a new job as a screen writer.

 

[Matt]

I don't think they serve any purpose. People who don't want to believe will find ways not to be convinced if they are released anyway, so what's the point?

I think that it will get released eventually. Whether it be by a future president or a leak, its bound to get out. You can't keep something like this under wraps forever. It is better to release it on our terms, our way, as a unified country than to wait for the embarrassment or scandal of it getting leaked or allowing it to become politicized by a future president.

 

[Kelly]

lol.....regwec, that is like saying.....I hate all Irishmen.....that's not bias, because I said all Irishmen.

Good grief...

 

[DACrowe]

Well since Osama's wives have come out and said the US killed him on Sunday and the TTP Taliban have declared a mission of revenge on Pakistan and the US, it seems likely to have happened.

Why fake something that al-Qaeda can disprove so easily (have Osama make a new video and/or mix tape).

This is just silly.

 

[roach]

Who did the journalists speak to? Unless you are suggesting that your country's news media is so debased that journalists simply make things up, then it is safe to say that someone associated with the US government or military would be better off finding a new job as a screen writer.

un named military contacts...the facts came out during the White House briefing...the SEALs didnt get debriefed until monday

 

[regwec]

because at no time are you willing to believe anything they say unless it makes them look bad...thats bias

No, it isn't bias, because I am applying the same principles to everyone. That is the opposite of bias.

It is just common sense, anyway. Are you more likely to believe the guy who tells you he has slept with three women, or the guy who tells you he has slept with three hundred? The former, because people are more likely to try to flatter than embarrass themselves.

 

[Kelly]

Who did the journalists speak to? Unless you are suggesting that your country's news media is so debased that journalists simply make things up, then it is safe to say that someone associated with the US government or military would be better off finding a new job as a screen writer.

That night there were journalists running ALL OVER THE WHITEHOUSE saying..... "sources say....." so WHO KNOWS, WHO THEY WERE TALKING TO....

Do you not have a middle ground? damn, you are one end of the spectrum or the other....

If someone asked you if the glass was half empty or half full, you would wash the glass out and say empty....meaning? you screw things around to make your point correct, or at least look correct, and its not....its just "bias" plain and simple...OR, you just like stirring the pot, and arguing for the sake of arguing, and you really don't have a point.

 

[roach]

No, it isn't bias, because I am applying the same principles to everyone. That is the opposite of bias.

It is just common sense, anyway. Are you more likely to believe the guy who tells you he has slept with three women, or the guy who tells you he has slept with three hundred? The former, because people are more likely to try to flatter than embarrass themselves.

if I was to say that i never trust anything a white man tells me am I biased?

 

[yoshimura]

unlikely or flawed arguments...I am basing my arguements on what freedoms are being stolen on my life...not on a video on youtube or an article that I read on some fringe internet newspaper
I am basing it on what I see.

I provided videos presented by the TSA and articles from mainstream publications. You can check the DHS and TSA websites yourself if you'd like.

 

[redfirebird2008]

We were likely going to have to keep giving that aid regardless.

I know. Nuclear rogue state, yada yada yada. Still sucks that we don't have any leverage now with the helicopter problem.

 

[roach]

I provided videos presented by the TSA. You can check their website yourself for more evidence.

and I can tell you what I as an american have been thru...first hand experience..thru my eyes

 

[roach]

I know. Nuclear rogue state, yada yada yada. Still sucks that we don't have any leverage now with the helicopter problem.

we could always send DEVGRU back into get it t:

 

[yoshimura]

…taxes…

thats not a new freedom taken away...thats as old as america itself

Doesn't change the fact that it's a freedom taken away. Returning to economic freedom, since there are more taxes and higher inflation then ever (including what you have to pay to the DHS) it means less money for you to spend on what you want. Less economic freedom.

…You can tell someone to not live in North Korea. Doesn't change the fact that freedoms are being deprived…

No what I said is I can see that you dont live in America because non of these things have come to past

What "things"?

…Inspection points…

So they are inspecting trucks...which they were doing anyway

There are all the other kind of inspection points. Regarding the truck inspections, you can read up on the TSA VIPR program. Before trucks were inspected at designated “state-owned inspection stations”. These internal checkpoints, run by Homeland Security, the Department of Transportation, and the TSA, involve trucks being scanned with backscatter x-ray devices.

…train inspections…

I just took a train last week and I can tell you no one was searched

I understand that. There are train inspections nevertheless. Here is a video from mainstream US TV news station: [YT]http://youtu.be/7psnvpVR_e4[/YT]

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If someone asked you if the glass was half empty or half full, you would break the glass and say empty

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