British Police Women shot and blown up by One Eyed Criminal

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  1. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    One of Britain's most wanted fugitives killed two unarmed
    policewomen on Tuesday in a gun and grenade ambush.

    Pretty messed up luring to female unarmed officers to a fake burglary and then shooting and blowing them up.

    I've never heard of a criminal murdering people with grenades before.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-estate-false-burglary-report-shot-dead.html
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    Dale Creagan lost his eye in a fight with Thailand Police after one of them hit him with a knuckle duster (Thai Police don't mess around).
     
  2. chaseter Esteemed Member

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    He looks like Sloth
     
  3. Raiden Wakanda Forever

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    What a terrible tragedy. I wonder why British police don't carry firearms, though.
     
  4. Destructus86 Registered

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    If they had guns they would have taken him down easily and this trategy would have been avoided. So sad... :/
     
  5. Micromind New World New Rules

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    If they don't get firearms, then why not give them bullet proof jackets ?

    Maybe that costs more then a regular firearm.
     
  6. PemLam Let the butthurt flow!

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    The article said the first officer was shot in the head and the second shot multiple times. Nothing a ballistic vest will do for that.
     
  7. Rocanrol Psiconautiq

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    Im keen about british police don't carrying guns. Violence only generate more violence.
     
  8. Pink Ranger The North Remembers

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    Send this guy back to Thailand, and let the cops there finish what they started.
     
  9. THE MR. TERRIFIC HYPES KING OF COSPLAY

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    This:cmad:
     
  10. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    British police do carry firearms.

    This differnce is every officer doesn't carry firearms this for a number of reasons.

    We have Armed response units which attend crimes involving firearms as the article said. When armed officers do use guns in the UK they usually kill innocent or the wrong people.

    Last summer when police shot Mark Duggan last summer there were riots across England. Police also shot innocent man Jean Charles Menezes dead in London and shot another man dead after they thought a table leg he had was a gun.

    Gun crime has always been relatively low in Britain. The amount of gun homicides in England and Wales the last few years has been between 40 to 50 per year in a population of 56 million people which is considered hight by British standards but is actually pretty low. France has a similar sized population and they had 35 gun murders last year.

    It might be hard to understand from cultures in which everyone has a gun or acess to one but in the UK even alot of criminals don't carry guns. Your far more likely to be stabbed than shot here. Police deaths of any kind are very rare in Britan.

    I doubt these officers having guns could of saved them seeing as they were ambushed. The guy chucked grenade at them and then shoot them.
     
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    Yeh but how much pissing about does it take to get AR units out? Paper work, authorisation from up high, look at the Cumbria shootings, AR trained cops sat around in a police station waiting for the chief to give them the OK whilst a mad mans shooting up the town. If we are going to keep it as it is, they have to make it more accessible.
     
  12. PemLam Let the butthurt flow!

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    I agree that gun crime in the UK is rare and this shouldn't be used as a catalyst for anyone to suggest regular officers carry firearms. Unfortunately, in this circumstance, it might have made a difference. According to the article, Creagan approached the officers, then shot one in the head, fired multiple times at the other and tossed a grenade. I believe that had the officers had firearms and seen him approaching, they could have possibly defended themselves.

    I believe in the right to bear arms but I am not an advocate of prolific gun ownership, though I do carry one on duty and keep a firearm in my home. That being said, I oftentimes wish the US were more like the UK with regard to its stance on firearms.

    This is a horrible tragedy and I'm confident Creagan will get what's coming to him.
     
  13. Quasimod0 Bell-Ringer

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    What a coward. Killing two unarmed women.
    And seriously, one of the reasons that all British police officers don't carry guns is because they often shoot the wrong people? That info doesn't make them look good at all.
     
  14. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    Sadly alot of firearms being used by the criminals in Manchester in recent years were smuggled from North Carolina by ex-U.S Marine, Steven Greenoe.

    He trafficking the guns – including Glock pistols and Ruger handguns – packed in his hold luggage on flights into Manchester.

    UK and U.S Border agency should be better at stop this firearm smuggling.

    I don't remember that. There was a police unit right behind the taxi driver shooter. I remember CCTV footage of a unit missing him by minutes.

    I don't know about the red tape but fire firearms are pretty accessible to firearmed trained officers. It depends on what force your on Cumbria had no AR units because its not urban and gun crime is almost non-existent up there. I know here in London if someone is reported having anything that even looks like a gun armed police will have a barrel pointed in your face within 15 minutes.

    I think every force should had a AR unit but with all the budget cuts thats probably not going to happen.
     
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  15. kit1982 Registered

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    Yeh they missed him by minutes due to the old chain of command, instead of being able to respond straight away as any non armed unit they have to get the HO to ok it.. which is daft as hell. Thats what I mean about accessible the unit should be able to respond same as any other.
     
  16. Wolfwood Shasta McNasty

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    Jeez, what a terrible crime. It's like something straight out of Luther.
     
  17. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    Shouting at criminals or just saying your going to taser them in the UK works half the time you don't even need a gun like in this video of Police taking down a drug dealer.

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  18. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    Luckly there was no acid filled water gun or anything like in that show.
     
  19. hopefuldreamer Clark Kent > Superman

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    Real tragedy :(

    I'm struggling to see how it could have been intentional on those particular officers. I mean someone called in a burglary, but they didn't call those two women specifically.

    It was an attack on the police, but I don't think their genders were overly important to the killer, and TBH, I don't see why there gender's are being made a massive deal out of here as though it's more horrible because they were women.

    As a women, I find that a little offensive. These female officers obviously wanted to be a part of the force for the same reason any men do, and they are aware of the exact same risks.
     
  20. Dr Lee Insert interesting quote here

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    ********.... had they been armed they'd still be dead... it was a ****ing ambush with a ****ing GRENADE! The two women had only just gotten out of the car when he struck with a Grenade, then a barrage of shots..... If they'd been armed... they may have taken him with them... but they'd still be dead.

    the one eyed **** set a trap for whatever officers answered the burglary call....then the coward gave himself up at a nearby police station to avoid the pissed off Armed police.

    Now we'll be paying for him to sit about in a cushy prison cell for a few years before he's either shanked or let go under the reportedly new EU rulings that ban indefinite jail sentences in the UK.

    I don't mean to unload on you Destructus86.... this whole ****ed up situation just pisses me right off
     
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  21. terry78 My name is Stefan, sweet thang

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    For some people, taking the bad guy with them is justice enough.
     
  22. hopefuldreamer Clark Kent > Superman

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    Unfortunately, had they had guns, they also may have accidentally shot some innocent people that were running because of the gun shots.

    And there is no justice in that.
     
  23. TheBat812 Registered

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    The British system is good, but no force can compete with sick people who lure them so he can shoot and grenade them. Even had they been armed, they would already have had to have their weapons out to do anything. Really sucks for the would be husband of the girl about to get married.


    Anyways, I think we all know the British forces are the best in the world:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdTazaB0Jo
     
  24. Raiden Wakanda Forever

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    If they let this psychopath go after a few years in the cell, the judicial system would need to reform. I hope this murderer gets what's coming for him.
     
  25. B [insert witty comment]

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    Absolutely shocking.. I struggle to believe the type of people that actually share this planet with me. A guy that lures 2 police officers that he had no meetings or ties with in the past, to murder them in cold blood.

    I still wouldn't condone the killings, however I could at least understand what his reasons for killing the 2 police women if he'd had some form of previous encounter with the officers that had made him consider them enemies.. but there wasn't even that. It was just a random trap set for whoever was unlucky enough to get the call to attend the call.

    I'm no doubt in a minority, however it's my opinion in certain cases, this one in particular, the punishment for the criminals needs to be extreme. This man shouldn't be able to just hand himself in & go to jail for the rest of his life, nor should he receive a painless lethal injection as a death penalty. He should be tortured to death.
     

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