C. Nolan's Interstellar - Part 2

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I agree with Redhawk. Marvel are the best secret sustainers in the business by literally hiding it in plain sight. Whereas guys like JJ Abrams and Nolan broadcast their secret ways like "look how gloriously secret we are! We are so damn clever and secretive! Muhahaha!" Which inspires the inner inquisitiveness of people to look for it within every crease and crack. Whereas Marvel gives you what you perceive as all that they have, while disguising the truth in plain sight. The whole Cumberbatch debacle in Into Darkness was a perfect example of that backfiring. Badass digest actually wrote a fine article about and put it far more eloquently than I.
 
I don't agree. The thing I hate the most is the modern Internet-savvy movie fans wanting to know details about the movies at every cost!
Just wait for the freaking movie!
 
I agree with Redhawk. Marvel are the best secret sustainers in the business by literally hiding it in plain sight. Whereas guys like JJ Abrams and Nolan broadcast their secret ways like "look how gloriously secret we are! We are so damn clever and secretive! Muhahaha!" Which inspires the inner inquisitiveness of people to look for it within every crease and crack. Whereas Marvel gives you what you perceive as all that they have, while disguising the truth in plain sight. The whole Cumberbatch debacle in Into Darkness was a perfect example of that backfiring. Badass digest actually wrote a fine article about and put it far more eloquently than I.

And how many people knew the twists at the end of Inception or TDK? The only reason people figured out TDKR is because they filmed a Talia scene in plain daylight in front of thousands of people.

The scripts for TDK and Inception didn't leak and the climaxes took place on studio sets where the public couldn't catch it, so Batman taking the blame was a surprise for many people and the ambiguous spinning top at the end of Inception was a huge surprise. Both of those elements helped create amazing WOM for both films.

I remember the reaction in the theater with Inception in particular. People were gasping, groaning, then laughing because they realized what had just happened. Nolan's secrecy worked out pretty darn well for that film since it had some of the best WOM of the last 10-15 years, and a bunch of that WOM was a result of the surprise ending.
 
On hindsight, it's funny that there were paparazzi pics of Bale and Caine when they filmed that Florence scene in London. That's probably one of the biggest things they tried to hide. I think while many saw those pics, only few thought too much of it and concluded it as the ending. I guessed that it had to be either a flashback or the ending because of how different the tone of the scene was from the rest of the movie but when I saw Bale's gray hair, I knew it had to be the ending. They did good with keeping Anne hidden though so I didn't know that Selina was in that scene. Bilal (Was that his name? Anyway, those over at the TDKR board knows who this is :hehe:) claimed that a woman was there but he was flip flopping between Anne and Marion and no one likes to listen to him anyway since he makes stuff up.

I think Interstellar will be like Inception in terms of what people will know (almost nothing). Most of the scenes will happen in closed studio sets anyway and it seems that the rest of the scenes will be filmed outside of the US. Assuming of course that the leaked script will change a lot.
 
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I think this will be Inception-like secretive in that we will hardly know anything about it before release.
 
I think this will be Inception-like secretive in that we will hardly know anything about it before release.

Except there is a leaked version of the script. I'm sure he changed quite a bit of it in the final draft, but Jonah's leaked version is probably still around half of the final product. I haven't read it and don't plan to, but anyone who has read it will have a big leg up over the Inception situation. Not that this is a good thing. I'd rather be surprised.
 
Every person that has worked with Nolan that has an Oscar pretty much gives him 50% ownership of it by default, thought you knew.
 
TDK won an Oscar for sound editing or something. But it's an Oscar win.
 
Are people forgetting that Inception tied with TKS for most number of Oscar wins in 2011?
 
^ Which made it all the more absurd that Nolan couldn't at least pick up a nomination for directing that year. I loved how Wally made a point to give Nolan his due during his acceptance speech and remind the Academy that none of it would have been possible without the captain of the ship. Same for pretty much everyone who won. I think Lee Smith was robbed of an editing nom too.

As far as Interstellar goes...I want to know as little as possible. I went into Inception a pretty blank slate and I'm looking to repeat that experience. It's lot easier for me to resist peaking behind the curtain of a Nolan movie if there's no masked, pointy eared characters involved. :hehe:
 
For the whole secrets thing. Abrams and Nolan do it for very different reasons. Abrams keeps secrets so people will go to the movie to see it. Ie Cloverfield, Super 8, Star Trek 2 its a cheap gimmick that we are starting to catch on to. Nolan keeps things secret because he wants to preserve the movie magic and wants the audience to be surprised by the whole movie not just one thing. It's something that will never get old and its something more filmmakers should do.
 
For the whole secrets thing. Abrams and Nolan do it for very different reasons. Abrams keeps secrets so people will go to the movie to see it. Ie Cloverfield, Super 8, Star Trek 2 its a cheap gimmick that we are starting to catch on to. Nolan keeps things secret because he wants to preserve the movie magic and wants the audience to be surprised by the whole movie not just one thing. It's something that will never get old and its something more filmmakers should do.

Again though, other filmmakers have shown that you can keep your secrets by hiding in plain sight rather than going through obnoxious lengths, printing the scripts on red paper and only letting your cast read them in locked rooms.
 
I wonder who will do the effects work on this film.

It's likely to be Double Negative again. They've done most of the CGI work on all of Nolan's films starting with BB through TDKR... and why they did some key work on MOS.

I think Spielberg's connection might get ILM involved, but I don't want to get too hopeful.
 
Please, if anyone would be so kind as to pass me a link to download the leaked script or PM it to me.... It would be highly appreciated.
 
For the whole secrets thing. Abrams and Nolan do it for very different reasons. Abrams keeps secrets so people will go to the movie to see it. Ie Cloverfield, Super 8, Star Trek 2 its a cheap gimmick that we are starting to catch on to. Nolan keeps things secret because he wants to preserve the movie magic and wants the audience to be surprised by the whole movie not just one thing. It's something that will never get old and its something more filmmakers should do.

Not really. In fact, Abrams has through the years had the same attitude (and has said himself) as Nolan as preserving the mystery before seeing a film. Star Trek 2's kind of backfired but stuff like hiding the monsters in Cloverfield and Super 8 are still apart of that same attitude.
 
Another audition tape for the movie, from Sterling K. Brown

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VxYWypQPe1g[/YT]

I thought this was excellent! Anyone know if the dialogue's from another movie (like the other two tapes had dialogue from Contact) or not? Because it's not from Jonah's draft.
 
Not really. In fact, Abrams has through the years had the same attitude (and has said himself) as Nolan as preserving the mystery before seeing a film. Star Trek 2's kind of backfired but stuff like hiding the monsters in Cloverfield and Super 8 are still apart of that same attitude.
Have you read Film Crit Hulk's assessment of Star Trek 2? It's actually quite illuminating on the difference between Abrams and Nolan in this respect.

Abrams, ridiculously talented as he may be, has perhaps wittingly stood as the poster boy for the Age of Convolution. There's a lot of reasons he's gone in this direction, but the main cause of this may be his near-worship of the now infamous “Mystery Box” (a theory from a presentation he made at a TED conference some years back). Now, setting aside the fact that you can highlight the complete emptiness of the concept with one good Simpsons reference (“The box! The box!!!”), it’s admittedly a great way to sell stuff. A story with a well-presented air of mystery just has this natural allure, doesn't it? It can always draw people’s curiosity… but in reality? The mystery box has no real dramatic function within actual storytelling.

Seriously. it's not an actual storytelling construct. It's about making people wonder what's going on or what something is and then just revealing it at the moment one has to. It's not inherently built around character, drama, arcs, and all the good stuff, but purposeful teasing....There's cause. There's effect. And those two things are grounded in a through-line of transparency because it stems from laser-focused objectives that guide the shifting narrative. And more importantly, there’s always a point to all of it, as the endgame of any good mystery has to resonate. Which makes you realize Abrams isn't really constructing a mystery at all. Instead, we're simply asked to look at scene after scene and say "I wonder what that person is doing?!?" (Let alone wonder about those pesky things like character motivation). That's not mystery. That's not knowing what's going on. And it lasts until the inevitable point comes along where someone verbally explains just what in the hell his going on. Which all just means that Bbrams is actually mistaking the affectation of “being mysterious” for mystery itself, which is nothing more than the perpetual habit of mistaking story form for story function.


Perhaps it’s no accident that Christopher Nolan is the king of the modern blockbuster, for he seems to best understand the function of a convoluted plot. Yes, all his films take the form of interlocking, often-nonsensical puzzles, but Nolan’s advantage is that he can wrings the most genuine drama from that convolution by engineering his films around the puzzle itself. He then does his best to make the conflict a metaphor for a larger human theme.

Made uncapped. :oldrazz: Although it's quite a fascinating read in itself. The most shocking revelation was one about a plot point in Finding Nemo.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/06/12/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-age-of-the-convoluted-blockbuster/
 
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