California man - 80 - shoots and kills pregnant woman during home invasion

[charl_huntress]

 

[mrvlknight21]

Wow. Lots of noise in this thread.
I am still waiting to hear confirmation on the girl's pregnancy (or lack of). Not that it matters (except in some sympathetic matters), but just for my own curiosity.

I think the guy would have been better off not talking to reporters. Although, the point has been made, the ramblings of an 80-year-old who was just the victim of a burglary which included violence, plus his shooting one of the suspects...may not hold a lot of weight in the investigation.

I have read 3 different articles at this point, and yes, there are more details that need to be made available for me to make a firm decision on my opinion of the matter. The fact remains, I have little sympathy for the female who was shot (without going into my thoughts on the yet-to-be-verified pregnancy claim).

That said, I am not sure why you guys are making these Rambo references with charl. She read the law and stated her opinion....it certainly does not make her some sort of blood thirsty crazed person, although some of you guys have compared her to such. Maybe just debate the issues and opinions without comparing her to 80's action stars or actual killers.

 

[KevanG]

That applies to a couple people in this thread.

Besides a bit on the last page and the first I haven't followed any of the back and forth between people here so my comment wasn't directed towards anyone.

 

[Feenix]

I don't think an 80 year old man chased them down in an alley. Also, the OP article does not mention that the first shots were in the house. He didn't chase her down

Sure, the first shots were in the house. Fine. That scared them away. Then:


http://www.gazettes.com/news/long-b...cle_5674346a-1393-11e4-86f2-0019bb2963f4.html

Adams and Miller began to flee the house out of the garage door with items from the burglary, and Greer followed them and shot again.

From the LA Times:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/600/article/p2p-80898429/

Greer told KNBC he chased the pair and shot Miller twice in the back in the alley, then pulled her body back onto his lot.

http://www.modbee.com/2014/07/24/3454954/long-beach-man-80-fatally-shoots.html

They fled through the garage and into an alley, and Greer gave chase, firing at them again outside, McDonnell said.Miller was hit, collapsed in the alley and died at the scene, McDonnell said.

 

[Feenix]

Edit because meh.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think an 80 year old man chased them down in an alley. Also, the OP article does not mention that the first shots were in the house. He didn't chase her down

Then you are blatantly and willfully ignoring the fact that have come out in this case.

And you keep harping on about your penal code, even though the investigator for this case flat out stated in the first article that the man was not legally allowed to shoot the suspects in the manner that he did.

You are factually wrong, but you continue to willfully ignore the facts and evidence that show that.

Plus, your "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality that you have displayed in this, and other threads, is insanely terrifying and worrisome.

 

[HauntedKnight]

I would have shot them in the knees. No need to kill, but lessons need to be learned. I have no remorse for people who blatantly commit crimes. Should they get a second chance? Possibly. If they'd even ever try to be a good citizen again, they have that right to start over. But after a shot to the knees

 

[Schlosser85]

charl_huntress and Hal Jordan are both on probationary ban for a few days, so let's move on and not reply to or discuss people who are unable to respond.

 

[Figs]

I would have shot them in the knees. No need to kill, but lessons need to be learned. I have no remorse for people who blatantly commit crimes. Should they get a second chance? Possibly. If they'd even ever try to be a good citizen again, they have that right to start over. But after a shot to the knees

At this guys age I don't think he would have the steady hands and accuracy to hit someone's knee when they're running. Aim small, miss small.

 

[Anita18]

LA Times just tweeted that the woman wasn't pregnant, as reported by the coroner. So no epic civil war within the conservatives between NRA nuts and pro-lifers.

She still shouldn't have been shot as she was running away.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

charl_huntress and Hal Jordan are both on probationary ban for a few days, so let's move on and not reply to or discuss people who are unable to respond.

Man...i like Charl, but damn if she can be scary sometimes lol

And what even more scary, i actually agreed with Nell for once!

There's no one on this earth can say tgo me that will make me believe that shooting that woman was justified

 

[Tanin]

If I had known it was bad form to use the word of the man who gunned down the woman as the truth I would have stayed out of the thread.

 

[Figs]

So she was indeed lying to save her own ass. Didn't work out too well though. Some of these criminals need to think first before busting into someone's home. You have no idea what the person is like armed or unarmed.

 

[Persistence]

LA Times just tweeted that the woman wasn't pregnant, as reported by the coroner. So no epic civil war within the conservatives between NRA nuts and pro-lifers.

She still shouldn't have been shot as she was running away.

I don't see why anyone was trying to push for some conservative "civil war" over this issue (outside of entertainment). Her pregnancy is not relevant to whether he was justified his shooting...and if she was pregnant, it'd be her fault for unborn baby's death. Being pregnant doesn't give you a legal defense commit assault on premise that any retaliation is considered assault or murder. Furthermore, killing a pregnant woman in self-defense doesn't mean the unborn baby wasn't killed...it just means we've had a tragedy that was ultimately fault of the initial pregnant aggressor.

But yes, she wasn't pregnant...she was just another lying thief. I guess we can change the title of this thread now?

 

[Persistence]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/26113120/coroner-finds-burglars
According to this article, the other assailant (not the 80 year old) will be charged for the murder due to death happening during a felony. I will look for other articles to confirm.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I have to be honest, even though I know what he did was a crime, and shooting someone in the back is additionally morally wrong as well, this story gave me a lot to think about.

One day, I'm going to be an 80-year-old man living all by myself. I know that makes a ripe target for petty criminals, and they will repeatedly victimize you if you don't do anything about it.

 

[Schlosser85]

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/26113120/coroner-finds-burglars
According to this article, the other assailant (not the 80 year old) will be charged for the murder due to death happening during a felony. I will look for other articles to confirm.

...that's a little messed up.

 

[Anita18]

I have to be honest, even though I know what he did was a crime, and shooting someone in the back is additionally morally wrong as well, this story gave me a lot to think about.

One day, I'm going to be an 80-year-old man living all by myself. I know that makes a ripe target for petty criminals, and they will repeatedly victimize you if you don't do anything about it.

My husband's 93-year-old grandfather lived by himself until fairly recently. It got to the point where he couldn't go to the bathroom by himself, before they finally moved him into a home.

Neighbors checked in frequently, and one of said neighbors was a former cop. That probably helps. Make friends with your neighbors. Especially those who are/were cops.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Man...i like Charl, but damn if she can be scary sometimes lol

And what even more scary, i actually agreed with Nell for once!

There's no one on this earth can say tgo me that will make me believe that shooting that woman was justified

Hey, even if it's not recognized often around here, I actually tend to know what I'm talking about

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Hey, even if it's not recognized often around here, I actually tend to know what I'm talking about

Now, now...let's not get ahead of ourselves here

But seriously..i do agree with what you said here 100%

And yes...it physically pains me to admit this

 

[KevanG]

We got the arguers out and suddenly everyone's friends again.

I smell a conspiracy.

 

[Tanin]

We got the arguers out and suddenly everyone's friends again.

I smell a conspiracy.

Oh?

Spoiler

 

[PacificBoy]

How easy is it to obtain a gun in the States?

I lived with guns when I was doing my national service; I can't imagine living with guns in my civilian life, knowing someone I don't know may have a piece on him, and thinking where's my piece in response.

If it were up to me, no one should be getting a gun unless they pass a psych test. But it's an impossible scenario.

 

[KevanG]

Turns out it depends on the state you live in.

Denial is one too.

 

[PacificBoy]

Calvin and Hobbes quote I espy? The world would be a better place if we could all live by the rules of Calvin and Hobbes.