Can Marvel's Spidey deal work with this?

[Comic Book Guy]

Lets assume this movie bombs pretty bad, which is very possible. Does Fox stick with their plans for a sequel and trying to crossover with X-Men or do you think they will consider the Marvel/Sony model? Fox contracts Marvel to produce Fantastic Four films for them while they take in all of the box office earnings and maintains the rights to the characters. If that scenario does happen I think it will be a little different from the Spider-Man deal in that I think Marvel will probably keep this cast and move forward with them and treat the Trank film as canon in the MCU (as long as nothing that would contradict the MCU happens in it). The Fantastic Four as a bunch of smart 20 somethings that stumbled on something incredible is probably the best way to introduce them into the MCU at this point anyway, rather than as an older group that all of a sudden pops up when they should have been relevant earlier. And in terms of talent for that age bracket, what Fox cast is probably as good as anything.

 

[Dasher10]

Fox won't contract Marvel as they also have the X-Men. Unless X-Men Apocalypse and Deadpool both flop hard, Fox won't strike that deal. They also won't keep the cast or the first film in continuity.

If this film bombs, it'll either be sold back or Fox will sit on the rights and then wait another eight years to reboot.

Best case scenario is that This film does well. Marvel wants Fox's cosmic rights. We already know that they want Silver Surfer, Badoon and Shi'Ar. Fox wants their characters to appear in the MCU, to do an X-Factor TV show and to crossover the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Marvel won't want a failed FF team in their universe and Fox won't reboot the X-Men to accommodate Marvel.

Let's say that this film is a success. Fox decides to sell back their cut of the merch in order to get the X-Men TV rights and crossover the X-Men with Marvel. Marvel sets the condition that Fox must also merge its universe with Marvel's so both studios can have access to each others libraries. Additionally, Captain Marvel and Namor can join the X-Men while Wolverine and Beast can join the Avengers.

Marvel gets far more mileage out of character sharing. We get to see Black Panther fight Doctor Doom. War of Kings used as the story for a Guardians/Inhumans crossover. A Darkhawk film or TV series. etc.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't see Fox making any deals. Their relationship with Marvel is too crappy. Maybe if there's a serious change of the guard at Fox, and whoever thought holding the FF rights hostage was a good idea gets canned.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't see Fox making any deals. Their relationship with Marvel is too crappy. Maybe if there's a serious change of the guard at Fox, and whoever thought holding the FF rights hostage was a good idea gets canned.

There was a change of the guard. Tom Rothman left. Under him, Fox got numerous extensions to Daredevil despite doing nothing with the character. Fox eventually decided to let the rights revert in exchange for holding on to the Silver Surfer rights after Rothman left since they were never going to do another Daredevil project anyway.

Plus, Marvel and Fox are already in negotiations so we're already seeing that relationship improve. The catalyst with Sony was TASM2 being critically reviled. What's prompting negotiations with Fox happens to be Fox wanting the TV rights. I predict that we'll eventually get a merging of universes. IMO, the merge should occur with Avengers: Time Runs Out and X-Men/Fantastic Four: Onslaught before leading into Secret Wars I-III the following year.

Also, during Secret Wars, I can only imagine what'll happen with Agents of SHIELD and X-Factor as the World Security Council's intelligence operatives encounter the mutant special forces of the United States.

 

[Flint Marko]

There was a change of the guard. Tom Rothman left. Under him, Fox got numerous extensions to Daredevil despite doing nothing with the character. Fox eventually decided to let the rights revert in exchange for holding on to the Silver Surfer rights after Rothman left since they were never going to do another Daredevil project anyway.

There was actually a Daredevil project in active development at Fox that they intentionally chose to can. So basically they scrapped a project mid-development, with a script and everything, in favor of holding on to two characters they were never going to touch.

 

[Zarex]

After FFINO flops, FOX trades the FF character family rights for X Men TV rights. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was already in place.

 

[Flint Marko]

After FFINO flops, FOX trades the FF character family rights for X Men TV rights. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal was already in place.

I'd love, love, LOOOOOOVE for that to be the case. The Marvel universe would be complete in my eyes.
I don't give a damn about X-men, they can stay at Fox for all I care.

 

[Shikamaru]

Don't see a chance of it happening.

Spider-Man was Sony's only superhero franchise left. They were pushed into a corner where they had no other option but go to Marvel or suffer. If the FF flops, Fox still has the X-Men to stand on.

Even then, I still don't see a Spidey-like deal happening. Fox in general has been far more stubborn and antagonistic towards Marvel than Sony in general. Sony at least had a somewhat decent relationship with Marvel in the past, given the Oscorp Tower situation of 2012 and the fact Marvel owns the merchandising rights. Fox had a bad track record with Marvel from the beginning, and it's only gotten worse since Disney acquired Star Wars.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nah.Fox is doing good on its own. And if Fant4stic flops... I doubt Fox would want to do another reboot even if Marvel is doing the work. And Marvel would have to rearrange their plan again to make way for the Fantastic Four and I dont know if they really want another studio like Fox to have a say in MCU.

 

[RAE072]

And Marvel would have to rearrange their plan again to make way for the Fantastic Four

No they wouldn't. Put them in phase 4. It's perfect. Literally and poetically. They could be the HUGE event of Phase 4.

After the Avengers et al go to space for Infinity War, meet the GotG, realize stuff is going down in space that America/the World isn't involved in, the Government/Stark/etc are going to want a piece of that space pie.

In come Reed Richards, super scientist; Ben Grimm, star air force pilot; and Susan and Johnny Storm, doing whatever.

They man the spacecraft, going to a space station to get Reed up there or whatever, cosmic radiation storm, pelts the ship, crash on earth, boom.

Marvel's Fantastic Four.

Easy peasy.

You could even insert an end credit scene in one of the Phase 3 movies of someone talking about getting ready to send a team of 4 into space. That would KILL, absolutely KILL.

 

[starscream22]

I'd love, love, LOOOOOOVE for that to be the case. The Marvel universe would be complete in my eyes.
I don't give a damn about X-men, they can stay at Fox for all I care.

That's where I am at this point.

 

[Dasher10]

There was actually a Daredevil project in active development at Fox that they intentionally chose to can. So basically they scrapped a project mid-development, with a script and everything, in favor of holding on to two characters they were never going to touch.

Joe Carnahan also left the project and Fox was way, way, way over deadline with it. Fox also didn't properly schedule a date to shoot filming. It was just smoke and mirrors but Fox ultimately didn't care much for Daredevil. He's now back at Marvel and getting his own show. Point being, Fox wasn't really all that interested in doing Daredevil during the Rothman years and after he left, the new blood just did a mockup to make it look like they were holding on to the rights in the hope that they could push something out the door to get Marvel off their backs.

And Daredevil doesn't really fit with the X-Men and FF universe. He'd somehow be the only superhero who isn't part of a team which would feel off. They chose to hold on to Surfer and Galactus since they were serious about making an FF film. They weren't about Daredevil and Marvel called their bluff. Daredevil is back at Marvel where he rightfully belongs and I really look forward to the new show in two months.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'd love, love, LOOOOOOVE for that to be the case. The Marvel universe would be complete in my eyes.
I don't give a damn about X-men, they can stay at Fox for all I care.

Yeah - I feel the same. I'm glad Marvel and Sony are working together on Spider-Man finally but I would have been happier if the FF rights had reverted instead. But now? Could you imagine seeing Johnny Storm and Peter Parker on screen together? If the FF come home it's actually a possibility.

I'm actually even less enthused for X-Men after watching DOFP. Tired of seeing the same movie over and over again.

 

[Flint Marko]

Joe Carnahan also left the project and Fox was way, way, way over deadline with it. Fox also didn't properly schedule a date to shoot filming. It was just smoke and mirrors but Fox ultimately didn't care much for Daredevil.

Carnahan didn't leave the project, he was genuinely interested in turning the script around and making a period piece trilogy.
http://www.hitfix.com/news/joe-carnahan-on-his-ill-fated-daredevil-movie-trilogy-i-tried-to-save-it
Several other directors who were previously attached had left, and thats why Fox approached him so late.

He's now back at Marvel and getting his own show. Point being, Fox wasn't really all that interested in doing Daredevil during the Rothman years and after he left, the new blood just did a mockup to make it look like they were holding on to the rights in the hope that they could push something out the door to get Marvel off their backs.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they were just doing a "mockup" to "look like they are holding onto the rights". Fox executives before have said that they will do nothing short of pumping out a low budget movie and putting it in one theater to hold onto the rights for the Marvel characters, and I have no reason to believe that does not apply to Daredevil. The reason why Daredevil was such a haphazard, tumultuous production at Fox was because 2 directors who were previously attached had left.
Also, Marvel wasn't "on their backs" at all, the only involvement Marvel had in the process was offering them a deal for the rights that Fox quickly turned down.

And Daredevil doesn't really fit with the X-Men and FF universe. He'd somehow be the only superhero who isn't part of a team which would feel off. They chose to hold on to Surfer and Galactus since they were serious about making an FF film. They weren't about Daredevil and Marvel called their bluff. Daredevil is back at Marvel where he rightfully belongs and I really look forward to the new show in two months.

This I agree with, but again, I still hold onto the idea that they will never use the Silver Surfer and Galactus so in a few years we will look back and see that Fox squandered away the rights to a character they could have made a movie with to hold onto two characters we won't see on the silver screen anytime soon.

Yeah - I feel the same. I'm glad Marvel and Sony are working together on Spider-Man finally but I would have been happier if the FF rights had reverted instead. But now? Could you imagine seeing Johnny Storm and Peter Parker on screen together? If the FF come home it's actually a possibility.

I'm actually even less enthused for X-Men after watching DOFP. Tired of seeing the same movie over and over again.

Seeing Johnny and Peter together on the big screen would be amazing, but I highly highly doubt we'll see that within the next twenty years.
And even though I enjoyed DOFP I'm kind of where you are at, I don't really care all that much about Apocalypse or Gambit or Deadpool or any FoX-men show they've got coming down the pipe. DOFP felt like a good, definitive ending for a lot of those characters.

 

[Zarex]

No they wouldn't. Put them in phase 4. It's perfect. Literally and poetically. They could be the HUGE event of Phase 4.

After the Avengers et al go to space for Infinity War, meet the GotG, realize stuff is going down in space that America/the World isn't involved in, the Government/Stark/etc are going to want a piece of that space pie.

In come Reed Richards, super scientist; Ben Grimm, star air force pilot; and Susan and Johnny Storm, doing whatever.

They man the spacecraft, going to a space station to get Reed up there or whatever, cosmic radiation storm, pelts the ship, crash on earth, boom.

Marvel's Fantastic Four.

Easy peasy.

You could even insert an end credit scene in one of the Phase 3 movies of someone talking about getting ready to send a team of 4 into space. That would KILL, absolutely KILL.

I love the idea of the post credit scene, but I would prefer we see an established group of heroes that went off on a mission, were caught in a time vortex, and were brought back due to the machinations of Thanos.

In the scene many of our heroes are dead, severly injured or scattered to the wind. But there is a hope in the form of a spacecraft entering our galaxy that had been lost in time. We get a brief glimpse of Reed, Ben, Sue, Johnny, Franklin and Valeria before the title flashes on the screen.

MARVEL'S THE FF
MAY 2020​

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If the movie fails I predict that Fox will offer to trade the rights for X-Men merchandising and TV rights. Marvel would refuse as they don't want anything leaving their hands again and Fox would then hold onto the rights until the next deadline, as is there right, and focus on X-Men.

If it succeeds, which is a likelihood as they haven't had a failure with CBMs since 2009, they'll most likely move forward with a bigger scale sequel then a crossover with X-Men after that.

 

[Zarex]

If the movie fails I predict that Fox will offer to trade the rights for X-Men merchandising and TV rights. Marvel would refuse as they don't want anything leaving their hands again and Fox would then hold onto the rights until the next deadline, as is there right, and focus on X-Men.

If it succeeds, which is a likelihood as they haven't had a failure with CBMs since 2009, they'll most likely move forward with a bigger scale sequel then a crossover with X-Men after that.

I think a deal will be reached. FOX wouldn't be looking to hire showrunners if the two parties weren't close to a deal. Sitting on the rights for another seven years when they have immediate value would be silly.

Crossovers among the separate FOX licensing agreements are looking even more unlikely with Colossus apparently having been replaced by Angel Dust in the Deadpool script.

 

[Spiderine]

I'd love, love, LOOOOOOVE for that to be the case. The Marvel universe would be complete in my eyes.
I don't give a damn about X-men, they can stay at Fox for all I care.

YES!!!!!

 

[justanotherguy]

If the movie fails I predict that Fox will offer to trade the rights for X-Men merchandising and TV rights. Marvel would refuse as they don't want anything leaving their hands again and Fox would then hold onto the rights until the next deadline, as is there right, and focus on X-Men.

If it succeeds, which is a likelihood as they haven't had a failure with CBMs since 2009, they'll most likely move forward with a bigger scale sequel then a crossover with X-Men after that.

 

[psylockolussus]

If the movie fails I predict that Fox will offer to trade the rights for X-Men merchandising and TV rights. Marvel would refuse as they don't want anything leaving their hands again and Fox would then hold onto the rights until the next deadline, as is there right, and focus on X-Men.

If it succeeds, which is a likelihood as they haven't had a failure with CBMs since 2009, they'll most likely move forward with a bigger scale sequel then a crossover with X-Men after that.

I agree with the second paragraph. Have you seen their latest CBM?.Kingsman? It was awesome!