Discussion in 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' started by SchumacherFan, Apr 1, 2012.
for the upcoming film, have Lex be the main villain with Metallo being a secondary villain
The Metallo eps of SM:TAS were among my faves. I think it would be awesome to see him realized in film if done right.
Could it work?
Yes. Have Lex as the main villain with Metallo as a secondary one.
Metallo is who I WANT! He can be the Two-Face of the MOS movie. A henchmen for Luthor who turns into an antihero near the ending, but with a tragic backstory related to some accident (as John Corben).
Metallo can add intensity, gravitas, and DEPTH to the movie.
Metallo should also SEEM like the main villain, with Lex cropping up a few places in the movie, and being revealed in full during the last scene with Superman/Metallo and Lex in a 3 way stand-off of sorts
Don't forget Bats teaming Supes vs MEtallo and Lex... I like the idea
Well, if it's a true sequel, I would prefer that Batman merely investigate Lex while Superman defeats Metallo and confronts Lex, knowing that he has a friend who can find any cross-references and data to expose Luthor, or even plant evidence against him.
I want the team-up movie to be the sequel. Show some cooperation between the two characters, and have the sequel be the team-up movie.
Then Lex can get desperate and seek help from bigger otherworldly threats (like Braniac or something) to bring Superman down. I also want him to figure out that Bruce Wayne is Batman for the sequel. I guess that means Luthor's got to die somehow for that to happen without a giant plot hole
i was thinking about it again tonight and i am so torn at who i want in the role, plot and outcome. But.. right now i would like this.
We see a Metropolis that is being rebuilt, funded by Lexcorp.
The kryptonian tech has been recovered by the government and the contract to reverse engineer it has been given to Wayne Enterprises - luckily for lex, Zod disgarded his suit on lex's work site - he too can begin his own engineering.
The two companies, lexcorp and wayne enterprises appear to come to some sort of agreement, to 'help' each other.
Mean while, the world is divided by this mysterious super man.
The heart of it all, metropolis is split - Daily planet Pro, lex Luthor anti.
So Lexcorp weaponise the tech, create a 'super' soldier - armour that is almost hydraulic and is powered by the energy harvested from the world engine.
John Corben is the subject - eventually the energy it uses has a long term reverse effect on his health and he goes awol on a personal mission against superman.
Whilst all this is happening, a masked vigilante is tracking superman, watching him, studying him, superman is aware but, due to advanced stealth and recce of the area, this vigilante cannot be traced - small packages are left at the planet - clark realises he has been rumbled - this batman knows his weakness - his secret identity. They do eventually meet, an exchange of words is said, the batman tries to intimidate and stir emotions, but superman is keeping his cool - until he shows him pictures of clark and lois together - superman has a nerve hit, but, all the while, he is being weakened by a small rock batman has on his person.
A fight breaks out, as superman lays on the floor, batman almost pitties him, leaving a final warning...
The climax is superman having to deal with metallo, but not before batman comes to his aid, realising he is indeed, here for good.
But the film, IMHO, should be character driven. It should be about Clark and the exploration of how he interacts with others, including. And Batman shouldn't beat Superman. He should START OUT with the upper hand, but Superman should show him how silly it is to even try to fight by spinning Batman around or something.
But I like most of what you're saying. Batman should TOTALLY be a mysterious character that pursues Superman. Devoting screentime to Wayne tears the narrative focus in two, unless it's a quick shot of a Batcave. But I'd rather we not know it's Batman until he gets revealed when Superman confronts him during the fight (his X-ray vision sees the mask under the robo-suit).
It'd be a neater plot twist, and one that shows his intellect and stealth of the character. It also allows Batman to be dark and antagonistic, without being villainous.
i agree - character is what i am hoping for, suspense, intrigue, rooting for the good guy.
I want clark to feel threatened by a mysterious presence, he can't work it out -it's almost like magic to him, that someone can use the shadows, surroundings of an area to evade detection. He feels almost powerless against it, but what can he do, tell the police?
I want clark to pick up on something, like a sixth sense, he zooms in and see's a shadow lurking atop a roof.. he ofcourse is in public, so makes his excuses and instantly flies there, but nothing is there, except for a rolling trash can lid, another time, he awakes at night and his window is open - we then see bats on a roof top he has bugged clark - that kind of stuff - it just shows how damn smart bruce is.
I also want to see a pubic divided, superman saves the day but one by stander shouts out something similar to - 'what about the thousands dead, the children.. what about them?' it really pulls a cord.
Lex is pure political agenda, the NSA style army he prototypes is his vision of a safer metropolis - the tech he produces is the future - but the conflict there is that it is ironic that the tech to protect us is from the thing we are afraid of, so to speak.
I would also love to see the government narrow it down to like 5 people who they think is superman, due to facial recognition etc - bruce is tracking the government files and he too is on it - he somehow manages to alter the encoded file of the dimensions of superman's face. So when they try to match it with clark, it doesn't fit - therefore they will never find out who superman is and just accept he is not on record as a civilian - bruce knows though.
I'm trying to think of a film, as an example where someone is hunted and it's suspense - anyways.
I'd like batman to be in constant shadows, never in day light and never too close to superman - i would like batman to pull out trigger, his yellow utility belt rigged with explosives - 'one step closer superman and your work colleagues are ashes'
Batman comes off as a jerk, but he should.. he is testing superman - that's how they battle.
back in the late 90s/early 00s when a Superman movie was in development hell, i always thought that Kevin Bacon would make an awesome John Corbin/Metallo
that ship has sailed now though
That's something I don't think Batman would say, though. I think he would figure out Clark's identity and then blackmail him or something.
And I'd rather Bruce Wayne's last name NEVER be mentioned, and for the character to be referenced ONCE before, but subtle.
I think Batman existing should be the plot twist, and flashbacks should indicate how Bruce tracked Superman down, after Bruce realizes how honest Superman is (I guess by Clark explaining that he was framed, and Bruce realizes that the evidence doesn't match. I'd also like Clark to say that he sympathizes with Bruce's desire to make the world more peaceful, or something like that).
*There are medical shows for that
I wish that Superman won't be able to fight Metallo down by himself, because of the kryptonit core.
And Batman can't do it either, because the dude is a robot.
They have to work together.
What you put in bold is my opinion, not what i want batman to say
^ Yeah. Batman would have to threaten Superman somehow. But in a more Batmanish way, if that makes any sense.
totally agree.. batman is a smart human, he can pull on clarks emotions...
Now we've discussed Batman's and Lex'es for a long time. Time to move up the level.
Who should play Metallo? Don't start that tired old "should be an unknown" again.
I've been thinking about it using Metallo in a fan fic and I keep thinking about Sam Worthington in Terminator Salvation and who his character really was (sorry but him just randomly becoming a good man from being a convict killer is crap), maybe a little re-working with it and he'd actually be perfect to play John Corben in a live action movie with similar effects to him in T4 (but with alot of green lol).
Then after words I found a bunch of fan casts that had him too lol, so yeah....just throwin that out there
i'm pretty sure he can. if they go the smallville route with it. MoS would have to find a way to introduce kryptonite though
kryptonite should be the element used to power the world engine - like a radiated rock, a natural battery.. like a kryptonian version of our plutonium or uranium etc. For some reason, it is mildly toxic to human, like i guess lead, but lethal to kryptonians.
Makes sense when you think of it - or... it's a piece of meteorite in a museum as having it 'land' around the events of MOS is just too fortunate.
Maybe clark could go check it out, to learn more about himself, maybe thinking he will find something at an exhibition and he finds he reacts when near a specific rock.
My casting for metallo - Josh Brolin -being serious now.
Article also states that he was once considered for Lex Luthor.
The more I hear about this movie the more Metallo makes sense as the main physical threat. This movie is seeming very cluttered with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman as well as The Flash apparently making an appearance. It doesnt seem to leave a lot of room for villains with complex back stories.
Metallo doesnt require a lot of depth or back story so him being physical threat while Lex is the mastermind makes more and more sense to me.
Maybe he's an enhanced soldier reinforced by LexCorp and WayneTech, and Bruce himself expresses sorrow at the monster Corben becomes.
I still say he should be a henchman, that Lex should be his manipulator, and that the kryptonite should be treated dead seriously as a threat to everything, just especially notable to Kryptonians.
Maybe Lex is the one who built the power source system and uses the Kryptonite's slow destruction of Corben's body to justify repeated upgrades.
Metallo makes sense as the tech that creates hgim could be a joint venture between Wayne-Tech and Lexcorp, which Bruce is using to investigate Lex.
I rather Metallo be a criminal indulgent hedonist that's gets lured in with promises of power and a level of god hood that could rivals Superman. Then later he realize it was more of a monkeys paw type of deal. He become's a powerful god like creature that can feel no pain but he's also unknowing giving up his ability to feel pleasure. He become manic and wants it his humanity back but then realizes he can't have it back. That's when he lose it and becomes a lose canon with nothing to lose.