Can Movies really change your faith?

Of course, but...

is Moviefan implying that Satan is making movies in Hollywood? That's what I am confused by.


Let me explain how my Dad thinks things are going on, which shouldn't be too far off from Moviefans views(im guessing) since their both religious.

My Dad doesn't think Satan is actually making movies himself lol. He says Hollywood is incredibly swayed towards the PC and Liberal views(which it is...for the most part, maybe not all of it). To him, and from what I understand from a lot of Christian/Catholics, the Liberal way isn't good. A lot of it undermines their faith/rules and also breaks down the "family unit" which, if Satan exists, is something he would like.

They believe in following God's laws while PC/Liberal views are trying to make life "fair" by allowing abortion(amongst other things) because it's a woman's right to her own body as opposed to God's views...which it is murder. To a lot of Christian/Catholics the full on hardcore liberals are kind of a new age commy/facist. I don't believe in the religous aspect at all but when it comes to liberals and reading history and knowing the past, I myself do keep some of the morals that my parents raised me to believe in, that are slightly religious and don't care for the liberal way either. I don't like the ultimate goal/outcome, that is candy glossed over with overly sympathetic "we need to all get along" views.
 
Let me explain how my Dad thinks things are going on, which shouldn't be too far off from Moviefans views(im guessing) since their both religious.

My Dad doesn't think Satan is actually making movies himself lol. He says Hollywood is incredibly swayed towards the PC and Liberal views(which it is...for the most part, maybe not all of it). To him, and from what I understand from a lot of Christian/Catholics, the Liberal way isn't good. A lot of it undermines their faith/rules and also breaks down the "family unit" which, if Satan exists, is something he would like.

They believe in following God's laws while PC/Liberal views are trying to make life "fair" by allowing abortion(amongst other things) because it's a woman's right to her own body as opposed to God's views...which it is murder. To a lot of Christian/Catholics the full on hardcore liberals are kind of a new age commy/facist. I don't believe in the religous aspect at all but when it comes to liberals and reading history and knowing the past, I myself do keep some of the morals that my parents raised me to believe in, that are slightly religious and don't care for the liberal way either. I don't like the ultimate goal/outcome, that is candy glossed over with overly sympathetic "we need to all get along" views.
That makes sense. But I have to ask, with no disrespect intended, does yout Dad watch a lot of movies? I can't think of many movies that would fit the mould that he would watch. Moviefan either, which is odd considering his screen name.

I grew up Catholic, but I came from a very liberal family. It was a clash of ideals as you can imagine. It was like those old frosted Mini-Wheat commercials. "The Catholic in me thinks abortion is evil!!!" Poof! "But the liberal in me thinks it is the choice of the people involved to decide their fate."
 
That makes sense. But I have to ask, with no disrespect intended, does yout Dad watch a lot of movies? I can't think of many movies that would fit the mould that he would watch. Moviefan either, which is odd considering his screen name.

I grew up Catholic, but I came from a very liberal family. It was a clash of ideals as you can imagine. It was like those old frosted Mini-Wheat commercials. "The Catholic in me thinks abortion is evil!!!" Poof! "But the liberal in me thinks it is the choice of the people involved to decide their fate."


LOL, yeah that must have been pretty hard for you being in the middle of the whole Catholic/Liberal view.

As for my Dad, as he gets older he gets more stuck in his ways and makes mocking type noises anytime we watch a movie that has a sex scene or something. A lot of times he'll flat out go on a rant saying the usual "OH MAN! Always pushing Sex, trying to sell sex."(Which is true though lol) He's not too hardcore all the time though, one of the few times we got along as I grew up was watching rated R action films together like Die Hard/Lethal Weapon as well as Arnold flicks. He's definetly not a huge Conservative but still holds his ground when it comes to his religious views.

Surprisingly enough, he liked V for Vendetta. That had pro gay/somewhat anti religious zealot control and he still liked it, so some times he can enjoy films that your average conservative might ***** about.
 
"OH MAN! Always pushing Sex, trying to sell sex."(Which is true though lol)
I agree. Sometimes it's just pointless. It's like, will the story make less sense if we don't see some boobs?
 
Steve Rogers said:
Of course, but...is Moviefan implying that Satan is making movies in Hollywood? That's what I am confused by.
I don't really understand your confusion, Steve. All you have to do is take a short look at the rapidly-increasing trend of slasher films, or movies with demonic elements (basically, 90% of all the horror genres) to see the devil works through foolish people to promote his ways...namely, violence, explicit and/or illict sex, bloody or gory violence, tons of profanity...the enemy's influences are all over the place. I even heard actor Stephen Baldwin (who's also a Christian) say once, "Hollywood is pretty much "evil central" fro this country." Not to mention the ever-thriving porn industry, and the relaxing standards for television and film ratings. The entertainment industry is being corrupted like crazy, and it's not rocket science. There's foolish and greedy people all over Hollywod, who promote all sorts of senseless garbage...and they didn't just get those ideas by themselves.

To drive the point home, here's an often-used (and very true) quote from The Usual Suspects...

"The devil's greatest trick was convincing mankind he didn't exist."
 
I don't really understand your confusion, Steve. All you have to do is take a short look at the rapidly-increasing trend of slasher films, or movies with demonic elements (basically, 90% of all the horror genres) to see the devil works through foolish people to promote his ways...namely, violence, explicit and/or illict sex, bloody or gory violence, tons of profanity...the enemy's influences are all over the place. I even heard actor Stephen Baldwin (who's also a Christian) say once, "Hollywood is pretty much "evil central" fro this country." Not to mention the ever-thriving porn industry, and the relaxing standards for television and film ratings. The entertainment industry is being corrupted like crazy, and it's not rocket science. There's foolish and greedy people all over Hollywod, who promote all sorts of senseless garbage...and they didn't just get those ideas by themselves.

To drive the point home, here's an often-used (and very true) quote from The Usual Suspects...

"The devil's greatest trick was convincing mankind he didn't exist."

Off topic, but the Usual Suspects is a great film.

But anyway...

I see your point, but what is evil really? Mindless entertainment that allows us to detatch ourselves from our world for 90 minutes? With a name like Moviefan I assumed you were pro movie. You mentioned horror movies about demons. Well, let's look at the granddaddy of all those movies; The Exorcist. The film is about a priest who has lost his faith trying to save a little girl from the clutches of Satan. In the process he regains his faith and realizes he is somewhat of a martyr and has to make the ultimate scarifice to save this girl. It is a classic good versus evil story and in the end the good, with God on their side, triumphs. In fact, I can't think of a movie where the good guy doesn't triumph at the end. Most movies have positive messeges even if they are hidden beneath the surface. Again, you mentioned slashers, look at Halloween. Is the film about an escaped mental patient killing off babysitters? Or is it about a teenage girl who decides to stop being the victim and fight back against evil and risk her life to protect the innocent children she is watching? I think it all is in how you look at it. There are a bunch of stories out there about people killing other people after watching horror films or people shooting cops after listening to hip hop or killing their classmates because of heavy metal. But what you don't hear about is the other 99% of people who like rap, horror and Manson who live normal, well adjusted lives. Satan doesn't exsist in the media. I would argue that he may or may not exsist (I'm not too sure where I stand on this whole Satan influences us stuff) within certain individuals. If someone kills another person after watching a Friday the 13th movie, then there was something wrong with that person to begin with.
 
I don't care if a movie has subtle tones/messages.

But there are some movies out there that beat you over the head with their message...they don't try to hide it...that's when it stops being entertainment and becomes a propaganda tool. I'm not into that.

(I haven't seen this movie btw...but looks good)
 
... And much like FigmanJ, I guess I am just the idiot who once again sees the point both ways.

At any rate, great discussion guys. I really like this one, it had a a lot
of indepth realizations and personal insights.
 
... And much like FigmanJ, I guess I am just the idiot who once again sees the point both ways.

At any rate, great discussion guys. I really like this one, it had a a lot
of indepth realizations and personal insights.
And there hasn't been any of the flamming and name callling either. Although, I haven't read the entire thread, but since I started posting in here, people have been civil. I've noticed in the in depth movie realated threads in this forum, people are usually pretty nice. That's kind of rare on this board though...
 
It is very nice, real discussions like this one is what can break ground for real understanding. Gives me real hope for, dare I say, possiblely the far ends of the spectrum can find common ground!!??? Ahh, there I go dreaming again. lol
 
Steve Rogers said:
I see your point, but what is evil really?
When stripped of all its layers, evil is basically the absence of God. Since God is love, life, and light, then an absence of Him would result in hate, death, and darkness.

With a name like Moviefan I assumed you were pro-movie.
Most of the time, I am. But when I see a film which I believe to have questionable moral stances or "anti-God" themes, then I speak up. For example, one of my favorite films of all time is Joel Schumacher's "Phantom of the Opera", and that's about a deranged genius in the Paris Opera House. But the total amount of violence isn't overt (the hanging of the stagehand is probably the worst offense). It's used just enough to make a story point, and goes no further. By contrast, most slasher films go way beyond with explicit sex and graphic, bloody body counts. All you need is a brief glimpse of a knife, or the sound coming from off-screen, to know what's happening. There's no real need to show it, unless the film's intent is purely to gross out the audience...in which case, the question then becomes, "Why?" And most horror directors would probably reply with "Because I can" or other crap.

You mentioned horror movies about demons. Well, let's look at the granddaddy of all those movies; The Exorcist. The film is about a priest who has lost his faith trying to save a little girl from the clutches of Satan. In the process he regains his faith and realizes he is somewhat of a martyr and has to make the ultimate sacrifice to save this girl. It is a classic good versus evil story and in the end the good, with God on their side, triumphs. In fact, I can't think of a movie where the good guy doesn't triumph at the end. Most movies have positive messages even if they are hidden beneath the surface.
First off, I've never seen any installment of "The Exorcist", simply because I found the premise too weird or disgusting. I have seen clips of it on occasion while channel-surfing, though. But taking your story points into account, there are much better ways to show good winning over evil, than depicting it with rotating heads or girls throwing up. Later films along the same lines (which I've seen trailers for on TV at times) use even worse tactics, perverting Godly things to suit their own ends. An excellent example of this is "The Golden Compass" which by all accounts knowingly and willingly rips off "The Chronicles of Narnia", instead telling a story about humanity going against God. they even have a girl named Lyra entering a world through a wardrobe, for heaven's sake! That's a classic example of something God created being twisted by Satan.

Again, you mentioned slashers, look at Halloween. Is the film about an escaped mental patient killing off babysitters? Or is it about a teenage girl who decides to stop being the victim and fight back against evil and risk her life to protect the innocent children she is watching? I think it all is in how you look at it.
Maybe with the first one from 1978, I could see your point. But with every future film, the body count became higher, the deaths more gruesome, and the story grew darker (I saw "The Curse of Michael Myers", and vowed I'd never watch it again). Besides, what's the real point of making movies about psycho-killers? There's lots of ways to scare people; why use the film industry? the answer is because the devil knows that films influence people, and over time, repeated viewings of such crap can deaden a person's soul to it...and that's not good by any means.

There are a bunch of stories out there about people killing other people after watching horror films or people shooting cops after listening to hip hop or killing their classmates because of heavy metal. But what you don't hear about is the other 99% of people who like rap, horror and Manson who live normal, well adjusted lives. Satan doesn't exist in the media. I would argue that he may or may not exist (I'm not too sure where I stand on this whole Satan influences us stuff) within certain individuals. If someone kills another person after watching a Friday the 13th movie, then there was something wrong with that person to begin with.
All you have to do is see one news story about a multiple murder case, or a rapist on the loose, to know that the devil exists. He exploits mankind's fallen nature, and corrupts it further, turning some into terrible monsters within their spirit.
 
All you have to do is see one news story about a multiple murder case, or a rapist on the loose, to know that the devil exists.


The only thing seeing such a story proves is that a particular human cannot control his/her impulses.
 
When stripped of all its layers, evil is basically the absence of God. Since God is love, life, and light, then an absence of Him would result in hate, death, and darkness.
Whoa. That's too broad of a definition. Buddhism has no god, but I would go as far as to call Buddhists evil. When was the last time you heard of a war carried out for the Buddha? I can't think of a one. When was the last time you heard of a war carried out for Allah or Christianity? How about the crusades and to some extent, the current war on terrorism. To say that the absence of God is evil would that not mean that the presence of God is not evil? And a peacfull group of people are evil by that definition and a group of war mongerers are not? No, I'm sorry, I don't like that definition.

Most of the time, I am. But when I see a film which I believe to have questionable moral stances or "anti-God" themes, then I speak up. For example, one of my favorite films of all time is Joel Schumacher's "Phantom of the Opera", and that's about a deranged genius in the Paris Opera House. But the total amount of violence isn't overt (the hanging of the stagehand is probably the worst offense). It's used just enough to make a story point, and goes no further. By contrast, most slasher films go way beyond with explicit sex and graphic, bloody body counts. All you need is a brief glimpse of a knife, or the sound coming from off-screen, to know what's happening. There's no real need to show it, unless the film's intent is purely to gross out the audience...in which case, the question then becomes, "Why?" And most horror directors would probably reply with "Because I can" or other crap.
I agree 100% The current trend in horror today is this weird torture film with graphic sex and violence that, in my opinion, pushes the boundries of taste. But you can't call them evil or influenced by the devil. I mean suppose someone watches Saw and then goes, "Wow, there's a lot of evil and disgusting things in the world. I am going to be the opposite of that." Or better yeat, "I am going to do something to make the world a better place." Wouldn't that contradict the notion that Satan's influence is in these movies if it lead to something good?

First off, I've never seen any installment of "The Exorcist", simply because I found the premise too weird or disgusting. I have seen clips of it on occasion while channel-surfing, though. But taking your story points into account, there are much better ways to show good winning over evil, than depicting it with rotating heads or girls throwing up. Later films along the same lines (which I've seen trailers for on TV at times) use even worse tactics, perverting Godly things to suit their own ends. An excellent example of this is "The Golden Compass" which by all accounts knowingly and willingly rips off "The Chronicles of Narnia", instead telling a story about humanity going against God. they even have a girl named Lyra entering a world through a wardrobe, for heaven's sake! That's a classic example of something God created being twisted by Satan.
You should really see The Exorcist. I understand that as a Christian it might not be your cup of tea, but as a film buff, see it! It's a fine piece of cinema--utterly creepy and frightening with out beating the viewer over the head with mindless gore or anti (or pro) God messages. It's very stylized and classy. It's a must see.

Maybe with the first one from 1978, I could see your point. But with every future film, the body count became higher, the deaths more gruesome, and the story grew darker (I saw "The Curse of Michael Myers", and vowed I'd never watch it again). Besides, what's the real point of making movies about psycho-killers? There's lots of ways to scare people; why use the film industry? the answer is because the devil knows that films influence people, and over time, repeated viewings of such crap can deaden a person's soul to it...and that's not good by any means.
Yes, I was speaking of the 1978 original. It had an integrity that most of the later films lacked. And The Curse of Michael Myers is, in my opinion, the worst film in the series and one of the worst ever made. But come on. Repeated viewings can deaden the soul? I love horror films and have seen hundreds of them multiple times. I have the entire series' of Halloween, Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street and my soul is not dead. Had these films influenced me, because of Satan's tenticles reaching into the celluloid, wouldn't I be a deranged serial killer? Well, I'm not.

All you have to do is see one news story about a multiple murder case, or a rapist on the loose, to know that the devil exists. He exploits mankind's fallen nature, and corrupts it further, turning some into terrible monsters within their spirit.
No, all I have to do is see one news story about a multiple murder case or a rapist on the loose to know that evil people exist. Proving the devil exists because their are evil people in the world is like proving that fish exsist because of a glass of water.

And again, you can't blame the media. I think people are either evil or they're not due to factors beyond my understanding. You think people are either evil or they're not because either Satan has influenced them or he has not. We can agree to disagree there. But what about this blaming the media for people's actions notion? I was listening to NWA's F--k tha Police yesterday and I didn't shoot a cop this morning. So if the devil is the driving force behind this negative media, how come me, and millions of others, are not affected by it?
 
I don't believe in the religous aspect at all but when it comes to liberals and reading history and knowing the past, I myself do keep some of the morals that my parents raised me to believe in, that are slightly religious and don't care for the liberal way either. I don't like the ultimate goal/outcome, that is candy glossed over with overly sympathetic "we need to all get along" views.

Heh, yeah. Equality sucks, amirite guys?


'Cause, its not like there are liberal Christians, or anything. :whatever:
 
Heh, yeah. Equality sucks, amirite guys?


'Cause, its not like there are liberal Christians, or anything. :whatever:

I'm extremely moderate does that count? :oldrazz:

I can't really fold under political views, politians on both sides have curropted their views. We could cover a lot of ground if there were compromises. True some things can't be compromised on, but many things can be.

I am not going to bring any such issues up though because well... religion and politics in the same thread? That's asking for trouble. :oldrazz:
 
I'm extremely moderate does that count? :oldrazz:

I can't really fold under political views, politians on both sides have curropted their views. We could cover a lot of ground if there were compromises. True some things can't be compromised on, but many things can be.

I am not going to bring any such issues up though because well... religion and politics in the same thread? That's asking for trouble. :oldrazz:

Being a moderate's probably the best way to go, as far as politics is concerned. Myself, I just steer clear of the whole thing, voting wise and all that.
 
Whoa. That's too broad of a definition. Buddhism has no god, but I would go as far as to call Buddhists evil. When was the last time you heard of a war carried out for the Buddha? I can't think of a one. When was the last time you heard of a war carried out for Allah or Christianity? How about the crusades and to some extent, the current war on terrorism. To say that the absence of God is evil would that not mean that the presence of God is not evil? And a peacfull group of people are evil by that definition and a group of war mongerers are not? No, I'm sorry, I don't like that definition.
I won't deny that wars and terrible tragedies have been carried out by people who labeled thmselves as Christ's followers, but it's my opinion that the majority of those who did so were consumed by religion, instead of truly knowing God personally (a possibility which He mentions several times in the Bible). The battles fought for ungodly reasons in Christ's name have given both Him and Christians a really bad reputation. It's rather heartbreaking, to be honest, that so many people judge Christianity by the acts of so-called "followers", instead of basing their view on Christ Himself.

I agree 100% The current trend in horror today is this weird torture film with graphic sex and violence that, in my opinion, pushes the boundries of taste. But you can't call them evil or influenced by the devil. I mean suppose someone watches Saw and then goes, "Wow, there's a lot of evil and disgusting things in the world. I am going to be the opposite of that." Or better yeat, "I am going to do something to make the world a better place." Wouldn't that contradict the notion that Satan's influence is in these movies if it lead to something good?
I've never heard of anyone being postively influenced by a horror film, but if it does happen, and people decide to do the opposite of what's shown on-screen, then glory to God and more power to them. But i still believe that such things carry a huge risk of "playing with fire", so extreme spiritual caution is definitely needed.

You should really see The Exorcist. I understand that as a Christian it might not be your cup of tea, but as a film buff, see it! It's a fine piece of cinema--utterly creepy and frightening with out beating the viewer over the head with mindless gore or anti (or pro) God messages. It's very stylized and classy. It's a must see.
I'd really rather avoid "Exorcist", and as for "pro-God" messages, I think it's a fine line. Films like "Narnia", "The Omega Code", and "Left Behind" did it right, but people will reject a film if the themes (good or bad) are too "in your face". Folks don't need religion pumped into their heads...they need a relationship with God through Christ in their heart.

Yes, I was speaking of the 1978 original. It had an integrity that most of the later films lacked. And The Curse of Michael Myers is, in my opinion, the worst film in the series and one of the worst ever made. But come on. Repeated viewings can deaden the soul? I love horror films and have seen hundreds of them multiple times. I have the entire series' of Halloween, Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street and my soul is not dead. Had these films influenced me, because of Satan's tenticles reaching into the celluloid, wouldn't I be a deranged serial killer? Well, I'm not.
Please note I said it can deaden the soul, not that it always does. But it's still like playing with a lighter and hoping not to get burned. the more junk gets into a person's heart, the more difficult it becomes to filter through it (trust me, I know).

No, all I have to do is see one news story about a multiple murder case or a rapist on the loose to know that evil people exist. Proving the devil exists because their are evil people in the world is like proving that fish exsist because of a glass of water.
Satan often gets to people through their already-fallen nature, and pushes his agenda furher, corrupting them. It all varies by the individual, but that's the general process involved.

And again, you can't blame the media. I think people are either evil or they're not due to factors beyond my understanding. You think people are either evil or they're not because either Satan has influenced them or he has not. We can agree to disagree there. But what about this blaming the media for people's actions notion? I was listening to NWA's F--k tha Police yesterday and I didn't shoot a cop this morning. So if the devil is the driving force behind this negative media, how come me, and millions of others, are not affected by it?
A person's resistance to the enemy is directly connected to their relationship with God. But like all relationships, they must grow. If someone allows their spirit to deteriorate, then all they're left with is human rationale...and as anyone knows, that's not too reliable.
 
I agree. Sometimes it's just pointless. It's like, will the story make less sense if we don't see some boobs?

I second what you said. I'm not against sex in movies or some boobs, if they have anything to do with the movie, but there are enough cases when it's put without any reason in there:huh:
 
I won't deny that wars and terrible tragedies have been carried out by people who labeled thmselves as Christ's followers, but it's my opinion that the majority of those who did so were consumed by religion, instead of truly knowing God personally (a possibility which He mentions several times in the Bible). The battles fought for ungodly reasons in Christ's name have given both Him and Christians a really bad reputation. It's rather heartbreaking, to be honest, that so many people judge Christianity by the acts of so-called "followers", instead of basing their view on Christ Himself.

I've never heard of anyone being postively influenced by a horror film, but if it does happen, and people decide to do the opposite of what's shown on-screen, then glory to God and more power to them. But i still believe that such things carry a huge risk of "playing with fire", so extreme spiritual caution is definitely needed.

I'd really rather avoid "Exorcist", and as for "pro-God" messages, I think it's a fine line. Films like "Narnia", "The Omega Code", and "Left Behind" did it right, but people will reject a film if the themes (good or bad) are too "in your face". Folks don't need religion pumped into their heads...they need a relationship with God through Christ in their heart.

Please note I said it can deaden the soul, not that it always does. But it's still like playing with a lighter and hoping not to get burned. the more junk gets into a person's heart, the more difficult it becomes to filter through it (trust me, I know).

Satan often gets to people through their already-fallen nature, and pushes his agenda furher, corrupting them. It all varies by the individual, but that's the general process involved.

A person's resistance to the enemy is directly connected to their relationship with God. But like all relationships, they must grow. If someone allows their spirit to deteriorate, then all they're left with is human rationale...and as anyone knows, that's not too reliable.

Man, you expressed everything in a way I couldn't do it. Really, I agree with you 100%.:up::up::up:
 
The only thing seeing such a story proves is that a particular human cannot control his/her impulses.

Oh, I'm sure there's a "friendly" voice in his head that makes him/her go wild:whatever: I remember what Kevin Spacey's character in "Usual Suspects" said...that the greatest achievement of the devil was to make the world believe he doesn't exist.
 
Mary Malone said:
"the Christian religion…is a very powerful and convincing mistake, that's all."

This is a quote from the "His Dark Materials" Trilogy, and this is at the heart of my problem with the film, or more importantly the trilogy's subtle and not-so-subtle message.

It strengthens an unfair bias. Because evil people who claim to be Christians exist, there are many individuals, young and old alike, who feel that all Christians, and especially God are judgemental, myopic and controlling. While this is not true, the book series proclaims this loudly.

I find it incredible, that if I tell someone their point of view is wrong, then I'm a fanatic, but this guy is free to tell me what I know is a lie, and he's not considered fanatical. If I say anything to imply that all non-Christians are sinners, then I'm judgemental, but this guy is free to say that all Christians are, to put it mildly, wet blankets and that's considered plain old free speech, nothing judgemental about it.

The fact that this series so blatantly takes advantage of the double standard, coupled with the way it blatantly takes advantage of people's bias against evil Christians copy-pasting it to all Christians, coupled with the movie taking a young adult anti-Christian book and turning it into a little kid's thing is just all too much.

I could barely watch happy feet for all it's anti-Religious stuff, this would just be painful to watch. Shame. I was looking forward to it too. I'm just tired of having my love for God made fun of, and certainly tired of being painted as a fanatic by people who don't know me.
 
Because evil people who claim to be Christians exist, there are many individuals, young and old alike, who feel that all Christians, and especially God are judgemental, myopic and controlling.

Has less to do with "evil people" than the fact that most religious people of all creeds are judgmental, myopic and controlling.
 
This is a quote from the "His Dark Materials" Trilogy, and this is at the heart of my problem with the film, or more importantly the trilogy's subtle and not-so-subtle message.

It strengthens an unfair bias. Because evil people who claim to be Christians exist, there are many individuals, young and old alike, who feel that all Christians, and especially God are judgemental, myopic and controlling. While this is not true, the book series proclaims this loudly.

I find it incredible, that if I tell someone their point of view is wrong, then I'm a fanatic, but this guy is free to tell me what I know is a lie, and he's not considered fanatical. If I say anything to imply that all non-Christians are sinners, then I'm judgemental, but this guy is free to say that all Christians are, to put it mildly, wet blankets and that's considered plain old free speech, nothing judgemental about it.

The fact that this series so blatantly takes advantage of the double standard, coupled with the way it blatantly takes advantage of people's bias against evil Christians copy-pasting it to all Christians, coupled with the movie taking a young adult anti-Christian book and turning it into a little kid's thing is just all too much.

I could barely watch happy feet for all it's anti-Religious stuff, this would just be painful to watch. Shame. I was looking forward to it too. I'm just tired of having my love for God made fun of, and certainly tired of being painted as a fanatic by people who don't know me.

Not to be a *****e. But that's why you have "turn the other cheek." Or the golden rule of "do onto others as you would have them do onto you."
 
Not to be a *****e. But that's why you have "turn the other cheek." Or the golden rule of "do onto others as you would have them do onto you."
Yes, but you notice that the phrase doesn't say "Keep turning the other cheek, over and over, letting them willingly beat the hell out of you." Christians are called to forgive, but sometimes we are also called to fight, and stand for what's right in God's eyes, not the world's.
 

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