Capt. Marvel/Ms. Marvel Film? (Good idea or GREAT idea?)

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  1. Artistsean Monkey Boy

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    Briefly Captain Marvel:
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    The costume merges alll the Mar-Vell costumes, the classic centurian looking one, the next 70s one, the Ms. Marvel one, the Ultime version (which the cartoon also used) etc.

    SHIELD, because of Thor, Loki, and the Hulk, and the alien invasion from Avengers, creates SWORD. SHIELD's agency that monitors for aliens and prepares for defense against them. Director of SWORD if Agent Brand.
    The movie would start with Carol Danvers already Captain Marvel, already in the middle of a large scale battle with a giant Kree Sentry. How did she get to this point? Battling a giant automaton to save the city? The movie goes all the way back to the beginning of the story, all through her side of the story. Carol is an America pilot, maybe even a SHIELD agent. Maybe even a SHIELD agent on a SWORD mission to track alien life (what with the appearance of Thor and Loki and the Chitauri on Earth suddenly).
    She somehow, as part of her mission/investigation, stumbles Kree soldiers (small army) chasing down a "traitor" Kree soldier named Captain Mar-Vell. She helps him and the two become a team against the Kree soldiers, led by Yon-Rogg. They battle the Kree and run
    from them. Throught he coarse of the movie Carol learns who the Kree are, and why they are after Mar-Vell.
    He is marked as a traitor because he fathered a child , Teddy, with the Skrull princess Anelle. Its briefly mentioned that the Skrulls are a planet of rival aliens, bitter enemies of the Kree. Carol proves she is no average human as she not only holds her own against some Kree soldiers, but also saves Mar-Vell at least once. The two of them together defeat the Kree soldiers but not before they unleash the Kree Sentry on Carol and Mar-Vell. Mar-Vell gets in some good hits but gets killed, his last act is to give Carol his powers/technology. She puts on his armor, like he told her to, and it conforms to her body and alters her genetically. She then goes back into battle to stop the Sentry. And this is where the movie started. Against impossible odds Carol is able to defeat the Sentry robot, perhaps its the combination of her human DNA and the Kree DNA the suit genetically added to her's. Sadly though Mar-Vell has died, perhaps she can discover that he had sent his DNA and a copy of his mind into the Kree technology (like into the Nega bands) or something... I don't know.
    Captain Marvel movie credits scene: Carol returns to report everything to SHIELD and is approached by Fury or one of the Avengers to ask her to join their team.

    I think her in the movies would be great. She is a strong female character that wouldn't necissarily be a She-version of another male character like She-Hulk or Supergirl. While there would be a male Captain Marvel, she becomes Captain Marvel in the same movie and is the main heroe at the end of her own movie. She could be like Marvel's Wonder Woman and be a great role model for young female fans, and help movie comics away from some of the ideas about comics and women.
     
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  2. Xeno That's America's ass!

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    That would make a great Avengers story, but only if it features the original Captain Mar-Vell, IMO. I find the Kree/Skrull angle and its cosmic implications far more interesting than the earthbound life of Carol Danvers. The Kree are relatively near the Earth, in a cosmic sense; their empire is in the Greater Magellenic Cloud, whereas the Skrulls are in the Andromeda Gallaxy. With the Inhumans located on Earth, it would be relatively easy to lay out the basis of the Kree-Skreull War, which could draw in the Avengers, the Guardians and lack Bolt's clan.
     
  3. InternetPeople Petty... and tiny

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    I can dig it
     
  4. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    I'm a big fan of Artistsean, but I want to give my take on it:

    Main Cast:
    Carol Danvers - Charlize Therone
    Phillip Lawson/Generis Mar-Vell - Armie Hammer
    Kree Colonel Yon-Rogg - Brian Cox
    Kree Sentries 451-459 - Dee Bradley Baker (voice)
    Robert Hunter/Nitro - Justin Theoroux
    Michael "Ace" Rossi - anyone, really

    Gist:
    Captain Marvel is the story of two heroes, one Kree, the other human, and how their lives come together and are irrevocably changed. There is love, but it is not a love story. It is the death of one hero, and the birth of another.

    Story points:

    • Mar-Vell, a mysterious alien in the Captain Marvel uniform is sent to Earth to Investigate
    • Opening Credits
    • Danvers, Air Force intelligence transfers to SHIELD
    • Danvers reconnects with Air Force buddy Michael Ace Rossi
    • Danvers is assigned to monitor SHIELD scientist Phillip Lawson, under cover as his pilot
    • Danvers and Lawson meet, connect easily, but are clearly sizing each other up and feeling each other out.
    • Danvers and Lawson are given a lead to the place of a self destructed Kree outpost, and the remains of a DNA-altering PsycheMagnetron, and its victims 'nitros,' people who are set to explode as living bombs. Carol saves Lawson from the nitros using her military skills. Lawson saves Carol from the Sentry posted there with subtle use of his powers.
    • Carol discovers Lawson is communicating with someone (Yon-Rogg) false information, reports it, is then confirmed as trustworthy and told to investigate further
    • Danvers gets closer on purpose, they develop a romantic bond of some sort.
    • Kree Sentry is unleashed due to Mar-Vell's slowness, Mar-Vell betrays Kree to save Carol from Sentry 451.
    • Captain Marvel is shown to have super strength, duability, flight, energy absorption and energy control from negabands on his wrists. He is shown to be remarkably more powerful than any Avenger.
    • Carol tries to interrogate Mar-Vell, gets his full name, which transliterates to Captain Marvel
    • Carol connects the dots and realizes Lawson is Mar-Vell. He's not a traitor... he's a spy!
    • Kree invasion begins, Carol gets in a jet and battles alongside Mar-Vell in the air. She's really good, and they make a good team.
    • Mar-Vell tires himself, and Carol seems to be able to fend off the last Sentry long enough for SHIELD's backup to arrive.
    • SHIELD is hostile towards the Kree whom is revealed to have been a spy the entire time, who has reported all of the Earth's defenses to the Kree, allowing them to circumvent everything
    • Danvers tries to defend Mar-Vell, but he is clearly the source of their problems, and the Kree's number one demand. SHIELD hands him over to facilitate a cease fire.
    • Danvers defies orders, flies into the Kree mothership in a rescue attempt, gets to Mar-Vell and convinces him not to give up
    • Mar-Vell revives, trounces everyone but Yon Rogg, who sends the last Nitro, Robert Hunter, to a nuclear facility as a retaliation.
    • Yon Rogg escapes, and leaves Mar-Vell and Carol to battle the ultimate Sentry - 459.
    • Mar-Vell battles SEntry 459, and Carol manages to save Mar-Vell yet again, only to end up in the Sentry's grip. Mar-Vell sets the self destruct on the DNA-altering Psyche Magnetron, and when the Sentry is distracted, Mar-Vell defeats him with the explosion, shielding Carol, though Mar-Vell is mortally wounded.
    • Mar-Vell with his dying words gives Carol the Negabands, her physiology changed to be like his now. Mar-Vell dies.
    • Carol mourns a moment, takes a tattered red strip of his uniform and ties it around her waist.
    • Carol leaps out of the ship, flies, absorbs the energy from the last Nitro and uses that energy to confront and defeat Yon Rogg thoroughly.
    • Carol returns to SHIELD to help with clean up. Is fired from SHIELD, Fury orchestrates that Iron Man contacts her about the Avengers.
    The core appeal:
    Carol is the type of strong female hero that people like to see, flanking the typical male heroes (Terminator, Aliens, Black Widow), but the twist is... the original hero is captured, and later dies, you realize that she is the main hero, and has been all along, and what you thought was the main hero is really just her Obi-Wan. What you thought was a love story is really a tragedy (people like that slop too), which is much more about how it affects the female survivor, and not at all about happily ever after... that was never really an option.
     
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  5. VictusMortuus Registered

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    I really, really dig this!
     
  6. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    I like most of that, but wouldn't want the Artisean designs as they still look like 90s costumes however it's spun. Also, although Charlize Theron would be good, I think she's too old for Armie Hammer. Not only that, but she's a more dominant personality so she seems more like she'd be playing a villainess now to someone like Hammer, especially after movies like Mirror Mirror and Snow White and the Huntsman, where although Hammer and Theron weren't in the same movie, he was playing the prince whereas she was playing the wicked stepmother queen.

    I prefer Yvonne Strahovski for Carol anyway and think she would be a better fit with Hammer, who would be great for Capt Marvel.
     
  7. Spider-Vader Mercin' & Workin'

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    These ideas are awesome. I really hope Marvel takes a chance and give Carol her own movie, opposed to setting her up elsewhere.
     
  8. cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    It's not a bad story at all. A little repetitive in parts (audiences will get bored if you keep throwing "new 'n' improved, bigger 'n' better!" Sentries at them). I'd also make Carol's transformation to Ms./Capt. Marvel a larger part of the story --- i.e., the third reel, instead of just the denouement. In large part, she would be the superhero(ine) a good portion of the audience came to see in the first place, so they'll be expecting to see her strut her stuff for at least 30 minutes or so, instead of just doing a "next time, baby!"

    Speaking of the Rhodey reference there: why not include him in a cameo? Rather than Michael "Ace" Rossi (you never explained who he was or why he was even needed in the story), have Rhodey be her ex-AF bud and point of contact.

    And you could accurately title the movie just "Captain Marvel," with a dual meaning and role, since both Mar-Vell and Carol will have that title in the film.
     
  9. DaddlerTheDalek Starship Captain

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    I would love to see Ms Marvel in a Avengers Sequel... :hrt:
     
  10. KDM1986 Midnight Sons Founder

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    I think the following characters will get solos before they ever consider mrs marvel. Although I do think she will appear in an avengers sequel eventually.

    1.Black Panther
    2.Dr. Strange
    3.Namor
    4.The Inhumans
    5.Hulk
     
  11. Lord All Mighty

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    Captain Marvel should really get his solo film while Thanos is still around, one film is enough, it even allows for a future ms. Marvel film.
     
  12. Silvermoth Avenger

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    I'm starting to warm up to the idea but as I've always said she needs to have a better supporting cast. That said there's some cool villains you can work with.

    1. Super Skrull or equivalent
    2. The Brood
    3. Moonstone and Sword (as an opponent) maybe?
     
  13. pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    1.Black Panther
    2.Dr. Strange
    3.I'd put Ms Marvel here.
    4.Namor
    5.The Inhumans
    6.Hulk
     
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    She fits better than Theron or Strahovski IMO. My ideal Carol would be a young Sigourney Weaver, but I don't know if there are any Hollywood actresses like her, right now.
     
  16. zeroapoc Eldritch Abomination

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    I don't get the Theron thing. She seems to be suggested for everything. I think they should go younger.

    But I definitely think they could use a female stand alone movie and Ms. Marvel should be it.
     
  17. Hawkingbird I want to be Kate Bishop

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    Oh at least spell her title correctly :o and I'd love Elizabeth Banks. After Hunger Games I truly believe she's a talented actress.

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  18. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Banks is actually a very solid pick. I've mentioned her before myself. She's also a skilled filmmaker herself. It'd be nice to see what she brings to the process if she's the lead.
     
  19. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    This is a good comment I never followed up on. A cooler, more wiry power transfer would be at the end of the first act, instead of saving Carol from a Sentry, he could save her from an explosion which gives her her powers, and the rest of the movie she's discovering her powers, what they are, and how they connect things and how Mar-Vell sees and interacts with the world. Battling the group of sentries around the mid-point of the movie when Mar-Vell is taken in by SHIELD. When we get to the end of the film, the sentries form the sort of basis for Yon-Rogg's mech battle suit so the final setpiece could/should be a crashing ship (making room for Carol's piloting abilities to come into play again).

    Good call, Theron's a bit old for the part I'm thinking of. Strahovski is beginning to prove herself as a movie-level actress, she hadn't shown much of that potential when this thread started. I think now would be a great time to pull her in. Good call.
     
  20. Lord All Mighty

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    I want to see Carol as Miss Marvel but not yet, they should put their focus in the original captain marvel while Thanos is still around.
     
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    I like this chick. Make it happen! I don't see how Charlize Theron could be Carol. Don't think she'd look good in any variation of the costume either. Good actress, but no Carol Danvers.
    I saw this fancast of Katheryn Winnick and it blew my mind, she'd make an awesome Carol, she's a pretty solid actress too from everything i've seen of her.

    http://avengiary.tumblr.com/tagged/fancast
     
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    As long as she's not the main hero in the first captain Marvel movie IMAO
     
  24. flickchick85 Mod of Might

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    I really love the idea of her being the "secret" hero in a Captain Marvel movie - that is, have her as a kick-ass supporting character (with the audience suspecting "love interest"), Mar-Vell is taken out of commission after the Yon-Rogg incident at the end of Act 2, and Carol takes up the mantle, saving the day in Act 3. I know some oppose this, but I'm one of those who believes Mar-Vell should be fatally wounded in the Psyche-Magnitron explosion when saving Carol, instead of dying later of cancer from a past experience. He can remain on his deathbed during Act 3 which could feature a truncated version of his death in the comics, while Carol is out kicking bad guy a** in his stead.

    The advantage of having lesser-known/TV actors in the role like Strahovski, Sackhoff or Winnick, is that you can set all of this up in other MCU movies first, without the audience wondering, "hey, why is Charlize Theron playing that pilot? Kind of a waste." I would personally like to see both Mar-Vell/Dr. Lawson and Danvers introduced in smaller roles in other MCU films (or even Agents of SHIELD) before the Captain Marvel movie, so that when he dies, the audience will have had ample time to become attached to him and it feels like the end of one era, and the beginning of a new one.
     
  25. marcvader Lurker #1

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    I'd be cool with this as longs as Mar-Vell gets some love.
     

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