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The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - Part 16

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I'd like to see Hawkeye! Unless he gets Whedoned! Possibly Wanda/Pietro, depending upon what they do with them/how they interact with Cap.

Poor Hawkeye. The forgotten Avenger it seems like since the next time we'll see him again is in Age of Ultron. I hope he does show up in Cap 3. Hell, he's my choice for a role in Black Panther should that film be made and they want to go the "let's find a way to bring white audiences in" route (forget Everett Ross. Clint Barton is the way to go).

Hawkeye and the Twins would be good. Better than US Agent or Isaiah Bradley.
 
Iron Man still sold about the same, or more, tickets in IM1 than MoS did. It's close, I'll grant you. But, IM1 had no 3D but still when adjusted for inflation, only barely loses to MoS. IM1 came beofre Avengers, so I give the nod to Iron Man in this case.

I think I made a post saying BvS on bad reviews should make 800 mil, so...not sure why you're debating me on that point. We're in agreement. As for why I think Cap can beat MoS's take. April has light competition. If the movie scores very high with critics, it should have a strong opening. Historically, Marvel films tend to have fair legs. If this scores with critics on par with IM1 or Avengers, and scores with the audience the same way, then it should have strong earnings post-opening weekend. Like I said earlier, I am not saying Cap 2 WILL outearn MoS. But, I don't think it is impossible. Especially if the reviews for the movie match what the early buzz indicates.
I wish nothing but the best for the Captain America franchise but I still have all the The Dark World should easily do 800mil or more predictions ringing in my memory banks. I would love if Captain America pulled in the numbers you are thinking but it's going to need huge growth to do those numbers. It's not impossible but I'll put it at unlikely unless it starts tracking to do 120million opening weekend.

I'd disagree with you on the legs argument though. The sequels to Marvel films have been incredibly frontloaded domestically.

Iron Man: 3.2 multiplier
Iron Man 2: 2.4 multiplier
Iron Man 3: 2.3 multiplier
Thor: 2.75 multiplier
Thor 2: 2.4 multiplier
Captain America: 2.71 multiplier

If Winter Soldier follows that trend it's going to need an 85mil opening to even crack 200mil total.
 
Poor Hawkeye. The forgotten Avenger it seems like since the next time we'll see him again is in Age of Ultron. I hope he does show up in Cap 3. Hell, he's my choice for a role in Black Panther should that film be made and they want to go the "let's find a way to bring white audiences in" route (forget Everett Ross. Clint Barton is the way to go).

Hawkeye and the Twins would be good. Better than US Agent or Isaiah Bradley.

I have a soft spot for John Walker (aka US Agent). I don't hate that ear nearly as much as most people seem to. The whole point of his era as Captain America (once he replaced Rogers who became The Captain) was to show that Cap wasn't just a costume. That Rogers embodied the name/symbol in a way Walker couldn't. I actually think as US Agent (replacing The Captain), he was a fair supporting character.
 
While I haven't seen TWS yet, I already have a list of things that I would want to see happen in "Captain America 3"....


1. Steve and Bucky fighting alongside each other in the Present Day.

2. Provided that she's received well by fans and audiences alike, have Steve start a relationship with Agent 13, along with giving her a big role on her own in the film.

3. If SHIELD ends up going down under after the events of the film and don't recover until this film, then have Steve be the one to lead to the recreate a new and better SHIELD/organization.
 
I have a soft spot for John Walker (aka US Agent). I don't hate that ear nearly as much as most people seem to. The whole point of his era as Captain America (once he replaced Rogers who became The Captain) was to show that Cap wasn't just a costume. That Rogers embodied the name/symbol in a way Walker couldn't. I actually think as US Agent (replacing The Captain), he was a fair supporting character.

If Walker is in Cap 3, I have no idea who would play him. I guess my choice would have to be Josh Holloway.

How about Banner as a supporting character in Cap 3?
 
I have a soft spot for John Walker (aka US Agent). I don't hate that ear nearly as much as most people seem to. The whole point of his era as Captain America (once he replaced Rogers who became The Captain) was to show that Cap wasn't just a costume. That Rogers embodied the name/symbol in a way Walker couldn't. I actually think as US Agent (replacing The Captain), he was a fair supporting character.

Walker is awesome. I would love to see him dick-heading his way through the MCU. It'd be hilarious seeing him swap barbs with Stark.

I nominate Matt Damon. I bet he'd get a kick out of playing a guy like that.
 
Looking at pics of US Agent, I picture Josh Holloway as him.
 
If Walker is in Cap 3, I have no idea who would play him. I guess my choice would have to be Josh Holloway.

How about Banner as a supporting character in Cap 3?

I think Falcon and Sharon would be better for Cap 3, and probably Hawkeye as well. I think BW may be sidelined if they want to increase Sharon's role in the sequel because I don't think they can have both playing a prominent role.
 
I think Falcon and Sharon would be better for Cap 3, and probably Hawkeye as well. I think BW may be sidelined if they want to increase Sharon's role in the sequel because I don't think they can have both playing a prominent role.

I see Falcon, Sharon and (hopefully) Hawkeye with Bucky.
 
I wish nothing but the best for the Captain America franchise but I still have all the The Dark World should easily do 800mil or more predictions ringing in my memory banks. I would love if Captain America pulled in the numbers you are thinking but it's going to need huge growth to do those numbers. It's not impossible but I'll put it at unlikely unless it starts tracking to do 120million opening weekend.

I'd disagree with you on the legs argument though. The sequels to Marvel films have been incredibly frontloaded domestically.

Iron Man: 3.2 multiplier
Iron Man 2: 2.4 multiplier
Iron Man 3: 2.3 multiplier
Thor: 2.75 multiplier
Thor 2: 2.4 multiplier
Captain America: 2.71 multiplier

If Winter Soldier follows that trend it's going to need an 85mil opening to even crack 200mil total.

This is kind of where quality matters. Thor: TDW and IM2 both had worse reviews than the 1st film in their series, and most I think would say they were not enjoyed as much. In IM3's case, I think part of that is the fact it made SO much upfront. By contrast, TWS is looking to have much better reviews than TFA (based off twitter...let's see how it shakes up first).

Also, the Phase 2 films have all made a ton more internationally than their previous installments did. That's going to boost Cap a lot. Thor: TDW only made 206 domestically, this is true. But, it still ended with a take of just over $641 mil WW. I don't expect Cap to match Thor's international output, but I do expect the international numbers to be up. I understand the growth concern, but I think WOM is going to help this movie. Especially if we keep hearing "Best Marvel Film to Date!" in the hype pool.
 
If Walker is in Cap 3, I have no idea who would play him. I guess my choice would have to be Josh Holloway.

How about Banner as a supporting character in Cap 3?

I kind of like this suggestion:

Walker is awesome. I would love to see him dick-heading his way through the MCU. It'd be hilarious seeing him swap barbs with Stark.

I nominate Matt Damon. I bet he'd get a kick out of playing a guy like that.

Matt Damon would ROCK at this!!!!! :up:
 
Please give me Baron Zemo, Crossbones, and Taskmaster in Cap 3 and I'll be happy.
 
From Feige's comments about Scar Jo's pregnancy it sounds to me like he's known for a while.

While I don't expect Sharon or Falcon or even Bucky in Age of Ultron, the fact that all three are expected to return for Cap 3, it shows one of Marvel's strengths: many of the good guys return.
 
Interested in seeing who the henchmen are.

I think we'll see Frank Grillo back for Cap 3.

Also interesting to see who the allies are. It's safe to say that Emily Van Camp, Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan will all be back and Scar Jo too. But who joins them? That I am interested in seeing.
I really hope ScarJo comes back for Cap 3, too. I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't have both Sharon and Natasha having prominent roles, and hey, the movie could use them to pass the Bechdel test (speaking of, I wonder if Cap 2 passes it?). If the Black Widow movie never gets off the ground then I definitely want Nat in the next Cap movie, especially considering it'll be the only chance of having her and Bucky getting meaningful interaction since Cap 2 doesn't have that.
 
Damon would be an interesting choice for US Agent.
 
I think if Agent 13 gets a beefed up role in Cap 3, it'll probably be because Widow gets her own movie and thus won't be in it. Otherwise, I don't see why they'd bump Natasha for Sharon.
 
Ever since she's signed on to play Black Widow, Scar Jo has now done movies that the general audiences actually watch, all of them of course in the MCU.
 
I think if Agent 13 gets a beefed up role in Cap 3, it'll probably be because Widow gets her own movie and thus won't be in it. Otherwise, I don't see why they'd bump Natasha for Sharon.

Unless Marvel Studios start releasing three films a year, or decide to wait four years after "Avengers 2" before going on to the third one, I don't see how they could fit a Black Widow film into their Phase 3 template before the third Avengers film is released.

We already have Ant-Man confirmed and Dr. Strange is pretty much a given. Not to mention, Thor 3 and Captain America 3 are somewhat of a done deal at this point.

So let's see here...

2015: Ant-Man

2016: Captain America 3 and possibly Dr. Strange

2017: Thor 3 and Guardians of the Galaxy 2

2018: Either Avengers 3 takes place here or in 2019. If Avengers 3 takes place in 2019, then a Black Widow Solo film (and hopefully a Hulk sequel) can take place in this year.
 
This is kind of where quality matters. Thor: TDW and IM2 both had worse reviews than the 1st film in their series, and most I think would say they were not enjoyed as much. In IM3's case, I think part of that is the fact it made SO much upfront. By contrast, TWS is looking to have much better reviews than TFA (based off twitter...let's see how it shakes up first).

Also, the Phase 2 films have all made a ton more internationally than their previous installments did. That's going to boost Cap a lot. Thor: TDW only made 206 domestically, this is true. But, it still ended with a take of just over $641 mil WW. I don't expect Cap to match Thor's international output, but I do expect the international numbers to be up. I understand the growth concern, but I think WOM is going to help this movie. Especially if we keep hearing "Best Marvel Film to Date!" in the hype pool.
We will see how much the name "Captain America" effects the international gross. But I expect a big boost here, at least in the States. It has the major Avengers ties and just looks fantastic.
 
So they are already working on plans for CA3 that's awesome news!
 
I want to see Diamondback as well.

Another vote for Diamondback! They should just do an adaption of The Bloodstone Hunt. It doesn't have to be a 100% faithful adaption, perhaps even a hybrid storyline. Maybe even work in the whole bit with John Walker as Cap while Steve becomes The Captain and have him in that role during the course of The Bloodstone hunt. The Captain persona could be more marketable overseas, not to mention the global scope of the Bloodstone Hunt story.They could find a way to work both Sharon and Diamondback into the plot. I know Cap's not James Bond, but there was the blonde girl and Peggy from TFA and Sharon and Black Widow are in TWS.

The movie would have it's own identity just like how TFA is kind of like Raiders and the cliffhanger serials of the '40s, TWS is '70s conspiracy/political/spy thriller, TBH could be a contemporary globetrotting adventure evoking Tomb Raider and James Bond.
 
Poor Hawkeye. The forgotten Avenger it seems like since the next time we'll see him again is in Age of Ultron. I hope he does show up in Cap 3. Hell, he's my choice for a role in Black Panther should that film be made and they want to go the "let's find a way to bring white audiences in" route (forget Everett Ross. Clint Barton is the way to go).

Hawkeye and the Twins would be good. Better than US Agent or Isaiah Bradley.

I´m sure Hawkeye will have a lot of screen time. I wouldn´t be surprised if he had a huge role in AoU and a normal in TA3. He and Natasha might even have their own movie (Budapest) :)
He might also make appearences in other charachters movies like Cap 3. + Isn´t the actor one of those who want to continue? I mean Hawkeye is bigger than most think in terms of comics. With Ant-man, Strange, maybe BP etc comming, who is to say we wont get west coast avengers later on or something lol? :D
 
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I really hope ScarJo comes back for Cap 3, too. I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't have both Sharon and Natasha having prominent roles, and hey, the movie could use them to pass the Bechdel test (speaking of, I wonder if Cap 2 passes it?). If the Black Widow movie never gets off the ground then I definitely want Nat in the next Cap movie, especially considering it'll be the only chance of having her and Bucky getting meaningful interaction since Cap 2 doesn't have that.

There's only so much plot they can cram into a 120-140 minute movie, and only so many characters that can get parts big enough to be called prominent.

Which is why Sharon is a supposed glorified cameo in this movie.

And when you consider the similarities between Natasha and Sharon, badass female SHIELD agents with no powers who act as pragmatic foils to Steve... Well, things don't look great for Sharon.

I think if Agent 13 gets a beefed up role in Cap 3, it'll probably be because Widow gets her own movie and thus won't be in it. Otherwise, I don't see why they'd bump Natasha for Sharon.

Exactly. I think that's Marvel's plan, really.

Make Nat into Cap's leading lady and simultaneously develop her solo.

If the solo gains traction, they have Sharon waiting in the wings.

If the solo fails, Nat falls back on her role in the Cap franchise.
 
I'm not as in to the comics so I don't know if they can or not but they should bring back Hugo Weaving as red skull, dudes an awesome actor.
 
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