Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 2

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  1. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    Too much shouldn't be made of this. If someone like me can still love Arnie, Charlton Heston and John freaking Wayne, all of whom I disagree vehemently with politically, then Redford being in CA should be no problem. The few people who would have a problem with him are probably too busy watching Fox News to go to the movies, anyway.


    The entire non-issue reminds me of people spreading doom and gloom about CA: TFA's prospects overseas because they were convinced that foreign dislike of America's policies would cause the film to be unpopular. Not only were the doomsayers wrong, but the film grossed more OS than it did in North America. The takeaway from that is that if the film is good people will go see it, regardless of outside issues.
     
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  2. peterparker0077

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    I sure hope not. That would absolutely ruin the movie and the character all together.
     
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  3. Whiskey Tango

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    A Captain America movie will * never* work. That's what they were saying back around 2007-2008 or so, even earlier. If you care to dig back far enough you'll find quotes just like that. Foreign audiences will riot at a movie with America in the title omg!

    Happens with every movie, to various degrees. That's why statements like casting Redford is an "AWFUL idea" and "it WILL hurt box office trust me" are so stupid.
     
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    Wow Robert Redford in cap 2 is really mind blowing the anticipation for this movie just went up to a whole new level
     
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  5. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    You're right about this happening with every movie. And with virtually all of them, once the film arrives the moaning about whatever issue was going to "ruin" it evaporates. If Redford's politics becomes an issue at all, which I doubt, it'll end the same way.

    Ant-Man is a prime example. Ever since the film was announced, there have been countless posts deriding the character, his powers and his potential at the box office. As soon as that 50-odd second clip of test footage hit the Internet, a lot of the naysayers were won over. Most manufactured problems resolve like that.
     
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  6. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Actor's politics don't mean squat to audiences. If it looks like a good movie, they'll go see it, even if they strongly disagree with the actor's views, right or left.

    What I'm most interested to see now is how much more talent is going to be attracted to this project now that they see RR is aboard. I wouldn't be surprised to see some very big names asking Marvel and the Russos to pencil in even a cameo or walk-on for a chance to share a scene with Redford.
     
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  7. TheVileOne

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    Hope they can deal with having all these characters. A longer movie would be nice ;) .
     
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  8. Hawkingbird

    Hawkingbird I want to be Kate Bishop

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    I think it should be quite a dark, in depth film.
     
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    I can't for the life of me stand people too far outside the middle in either direction (narrow minds annoy me), and the left gets on my nerves more than anyone. I think it's just that they're more visible. But I never, not for one second, even considered Redford's political leanings. Actually, I never think about them. He's just a good actor. That's how people see him. I find it very asinine to think that box office will bow to a very select few who give a damn enough to not go to the movie because of politics.
     
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  10. Dark Raven

    Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Would be cool if Redford attracted Hugo Weaving to return as Red Skull, just because he'd like to be in the same movie as him. Would also be great if Redford could attract a big name for Baron Zemo or Strucker. We need one of those two instead of Armin Zola to be pulling the strings.

    I just want to know when RR is going to be official. At the moment he's just "in talks". As we all know, Jason Momoa was "in talks" for the role of Drax in Guardians of the Galaxy, and look how that turned out.
     
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  11. chamber-music

    chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    I think they will probably save Red Skulls return for a the third movie. If the Russos managed to make something really special and diffferent to the first Cap film that could be enough to bring Weaving back on board.
     
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    In terms of politics, this could turn to be a great film for this country in general. ... I had a long elaborate post written up, but I think it's best to leave it at this:

    Some politician: "Captain, are you a Democrat or a Republican?"

    Cap: "I'm not Democrat, or a Republican"

    stands up, classic Evans stair down

    Cap: "I'm an American."



    I also hope he gives some form of his epic speech.

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  13. Dark Raven

    Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Even if Redford holds some political views in this film, Cap would likely clash with him on that. So it won't be Redford's political views that are promoted or dominate. They might be there just to offer a point of view and the opportunity for conflict. Cap will be the main character and what he believes is what goes in this movie.
     
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    I'm inventing a new Godwins Law. Anytime a post has the words "trust me" in it, then the likelihood that you should trust it goes to 0.
     
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  15. metaphysician

    metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    Okay, this is tangential, but. . . what?

    No, they did not commit a war crime. They ordered a nuclear strike, under circumstances where it would be entirely reasonable to launch a nuclear strike, and with ( implicitly ) proper authority allowing them to do so.

    What about their actions would even slightly constitute a war crime ( as opposed to just questionable judgement, which they certainly were guilty of )?
     
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  16. terry78

    terry78 I'm gonna need more rope

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    Anything can be viewed as a war crime if you're biased against someone's decision. Everything America does is viewed as some kind of war crime, lol.
     
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  17. Dark Raven

    Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Cap committed a war crime in CA:TFA. It was a crime that he didn't get to bang Peggy Carter during the war lol.
     
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  18. Frico

    Frico The Man Without Fear

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    Redford would be a tremendous addition to an already impressive looking cast. REALLY hope this happens. Easily the next Marvel film I'm going to be anticipating the most.
     
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  19. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    It is a war crime to use weapons of mass destruction in a populated area. From Wikipedia:


    The fact that they thought that it would stave off the Chitauri invasion might be a mitigating factor, but they acted against the advice of their own leader in the field, Fury, who deemed it unwarranted at the time. That falls under the heading of "...the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity."


    The Council was absolutely wrong, because the Black Widow had found the means to close the portal before they launched the nuke at New York. They panicked and jumped the gun, even though Fury argued with them to allow the team to do its work. The US government must have been just thrilled to watch a nuclear warhead unleashed on its largest city and be powerless to stop it. Millions would have died, and needlessly because they established that no form of energy could stop the Tesseract. And on top of that, they would have destroyed the Earth's one chance to stop the invasion, even as they slaughtered the population of one of humanity's greatest cities.


    So yeah, I consider that a war crime. "We were afraid" is no more of an excuse than "I was just following orders." Maria Hill told the Council that SHIELD had kept proof of their actions for that reason: it could potentially be used as leverage.
     
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  20. Dark Raven

    Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Same here. I don't want to be reading that he ultimately passed on it, and then we'll all be saying "oh well, it was an awesome idea while it lasted" or "imagine what could have been" etc. This better not end up one of these "what if" scenarios. :cmad:
     
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  21. mkilban2

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    A sequence like both above would be great to see. Plus politics are stupid anyways, I've never understood why one side has to be wired to hate someone from the other just because they don't believe the same things. People are so petty... and tiny :)
     
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  22. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    Who are we thinking Redford would be playing?
     
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  23. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Woodward & Bernstein.
     
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  24. Sawyer

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    Both of them? :o
     
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  25. DeGenerate10

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    LOL Because that hurt the Avengers with Samuel L Jackson didn't it?

    And if you don't know SLJ has been one of Obama's bigger supporters. Just because someone is a left wing or right wing doesn't mean it's going to affect their work.
     
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