Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 7

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  1. Wolvieboy17

    Wolvieboy17 Believe it!

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    I don't think the cartoons mean anything beyond trying to make people familiar with Falcon ahead of CATWS. Falcon was planned for the cartoon well before Whedon wrote the Avengers 2 script. I can't see him making character choices based on a cartoon.
     
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  3. Crimson King

    Crimson King Superhero Novelista

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    I never saw Falc as an Avenger in A2, nor do I want him to be. The cartoon thing is interesting, but hardly proof that he's in. There are too many other--better--candidates to get the call before him (BP, Capt. Marvel, etc.).
     
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  4. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    The guy in the article was careful to mention that just because the story revolves around *something* called Zodiac, it doesn't necessarily mean the same thing it does in the comics. I'd be pretty surprised if they put an entire 12-person supervillain team in a 20(ish) minute One-Shot.

    Most of Joss' hints point towards Wanda & Pietro being adversaries to the Avengers instead of members. Just like in the comics. They most likely redeem themselves by the end of the film and join up, but it sounds like they're not *on* the team for the bulk of the movie.
     
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  5. marcvader

    marcvader Lurker #1

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    It'd be cool if they incorporated a couple members from the Zodiac crime organization. Scorpio anyone?
     
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  6. VulcanVader

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    It would be cool to see Falcon in The Avengers 2, but I think we will have to wait to see him on CATWS to judge the real value of the character.
    Also, I'd say that Hawkeye needs more importance.
     
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  7. BullMcGiveny

    BullMcGiveny Probably Disagree

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    The article I read (don't remember where it was) mentions that Peggy is looking for the Zodiac key. It was a MacGuffin from early Nick Fury stories.
     
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  8. Mightyally

    Mightyally Mr Arcade

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    Great questions and theories everyone! I have some of my own and I hope you are interested in them and can help me discuss them.

    Let´s begin with what we do actually know! I´m not sure at all what we know for sure about the movie. Obviously the picture here in page 4 is legit. What else?

    Questions:

    1. Will we see a Bucky and Black Widow romance in the movie?
    No big news but we know she is going to participate in the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/?ref_=sr_2

    2. Bucky comes back working for some mean bastards. Who, AIM?

    3. Obviously Falcon is going to join the war and perhaps even the Avengers later. I however find it more likely that he joins S.H.I.E.L.D and not the actual Avengers
    so that in a second or third Avengers movie he would fight beside the Avengers but as a S.H.I.E.L.D operator with the S.H.I.E.L.D foot soldiers.

    4. Crossbones is going to be in the movie according to IMDB. Wasn´t that guy trained by Taskmaster?
    I don´t believe that Taskmaster is going to be in this movie unless he is one of the bad guys that brought Bucky back. But that is actually possible if you think about it.

    Btw, Taskmaster has fought against many guys that are on the “same” level as Cap, Daredevil for instance. That could open a spot for a new DD movie later?
    Perhaps that requires to much "coincidence"!

    I don´t think it´s so unlikely that we get to see an old adventure of Bucky and Cap in the upcoming movie where they crush some Nazi ass (in fact I almost know it!).
    I mean Crossbones will be in it, who has a connection to Taskmaster. Taskmaster worked for Red Skull who operated during WW2.
    So would it not be possible for Taskmaster to be behind the operation that Bucky and Cap attacks. The same attack that gets Bucky “killed”?
    Then Taskmaster finds him and makes him his pawn. Later Crossbones comes along and trains with Taskmaster and later than that something happens which leads to this war on the picture that can be seen!

    Another thing is that S.H.I.E.L.D seems to be a big part of the movie, which makes my spider sense tingel. Taskmaster worked within S.H.I.E.L.D as an sleep spy or what it´s called.
    So that could be a great story. Perhaps Widow somehow finds out this undercoverness? : )
     
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  9. Rock Sexton

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  10. jaqua99

    jaqua99 ....I need a horse!

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    Hey lol give him a break, given by this, and his post in the avengers 2 board, he's got a lot of catching up to do :p
     
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  11. Mightyally

    Mightyally Mr Arcade

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    What´s so strange? They had a thing back in Russia at one point? They trained together...
    I mean, if he returns, is she just going to ignore it? I thought they might have some flashbacks of their time together?

    Well I guess I´m the Newbie around here so...
     
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  12. DN91

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    One week from today, y'all. We get to hear some juicy intel on TWS. Excited.
     
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  13. Mightyally

    Mightyally Mr Arcade

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    Yeah that´s going to be awesome!
    Can´t wait :)
     
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  14. Rock Sexton

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    Where has it been established they "had a thing"???? The Soviets didn't program him for relationships.
     
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  15. Mightyally

    Mightyally Mr Arcade

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    http://marvel.wikia.com/Bucky

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky
    "Programmed to be a Soviet assassin for Department X, under the code name the Winter Soldier, he is sent on covert wetworks missions, i.e., missions involving assassination, becoming increasingly ruthless and efficient as he kills in the name of the state. While a Soviet agent, he also has a brief relationship with The Black Widow."

    http://www.comicvine.com/profile/misterz173/lists/black-widows-boyfriends/18301
    5. Bucky Barnes.
     
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  16. VulcanVader

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    In a week, this forum's gonna explode.
     
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  17. Bryn

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    Booya! Good job hanging in there, Newbie. I thought you had some good discussion points.

    I think a Bucky/Widow relationship could be an IN for Widow's character in hunting him down with Cap. I'm hoping for a good Cap going rouge story and some excellent action that will showcase Cap's fighting ability. I also hope they make him almost lose. The first movie he seemed to have no competition for fighting.
     
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  18. Rock Sexton

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    Look .... only in a comic book arc would you get something as silly as a brainwashed agent who's re-animated specifically for missions having time to date another agent. This kind of thing happens because those CBM writers have to keep coming up with new material.

    In the MCU, the relationship that CA:TWS will spend a little time re-visiting is clearly Steve and Peggy. There's just no reason to even go the ridiculous route of establishing a BW and The Winter Soldier romance . Besides, in The Avengers she pretty much established she doesn't care about that kind of thing when she spoke with Loki.

    Now, the idea of them having trained together or worked together in some capacity makes complete sense to the narrative.
     
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  19. Moridin

    Moridin Death Contagious Deity

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    I think we'll know if Falcon joins the Avengers a couple months before TWS comes out since A2 starts filming early next year. February/March I think Whedon said, IIRC.
     
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  20. DN91

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    I imagine Bucky will manage to give Cap a run for his money in terms of fights.
     
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  21. Rock Sexton

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    Hope so. I will storm Marvel Films if they don't freakin' give us some real hand-to-hand combat. Tired of Cap being treated like all he really know's how to do is run fast or make incredible jumps.

    Speakin' of which, do we by chance know who the fight coordinator on this film is?

    EDIT: Actually I see it's Chris Carnel based on what IMDB says. Doesn't seem to have really much experience in that regard, moreseo stunt coordinating.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0138691/
     
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  22. Mightyally

    Mightyally Mr Arcade

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    Thxs Bryn! Yes I agree DN91 & R.S :)
     
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  23. Quasimod0

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    :up: this is my main request too. Cap needs some good hand to hand fights. Looks like the winter soldier will give him a few though
     
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  24. Bryn

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    While I realize Jason Statham movies are a bit on the popcorn side of things, I though the fight/stunt coordinating in the Transporter movies was excellent and would work rather well for a Cap film.

    *Note: not saying we need underwear goth models with bottles of mascara trooping around with an uzzi. :doh:
     
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  25. Mr. Dent

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    You must have missed those set videos.
     
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