Captain America: Brave New World - News & Speculation Thread

[Spider-Fan]

The same television division that gave us The Inhumans, Iron Fist, and the Defenders. Lets not go too crazy here.

And Marvel Studios gave us Secret Invasion and What If.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But even if he does, it looks like it will be small role. Which that's what we want, Hulk to face his bitter rival....for 2 seconds in a Captain America movie!!!!

It's going to be like Rock showing up at the end of Bad Blood.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The same television division that gave us The Inhumans, Iron Fist, and the Defenders. Lets not go too crazy here.

The Defenders is better then most of the MCU shows. And it's gone so poorly, that after thinking they could do Daredevil better (lol) they are now trying to reboot their own reboot, back to the Netflix show.

 

[Snow Queen]

Both TV divisions have highs and lows, but I don't think the current Marvel TV division will reach the heights of Jessica Jones season 1 or any Daredevil seasons. Not at this rate. Not without some serious reworking.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It's going to be like Rock showing up at the end of Bad Blood.

He's going to look at everyone and hold up three fingers?

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Boseman definitely should’ve been recast. TChalla is too important of a character. Should’ve scrapped the sequel , waited a few years and recast.

The MCU hasn’t been the same since we lost TChalla, Steve, and Tony. I think all 3 should be recast. I want to see those 3 with the F4 and the X-Men so bad! The fact that we’re finally getting F4 in the MCU and TChalla will presumably never meet them is such a bummer. And who knows if Namor will ever meet them either with the allegations against Tenoch. He should be recast too.

I’m hoping that we get some big recasts out of this multiverse saga. It’ll be virtually impossible to find guys as good as Evans and Downey but I can accept that if it means we get more of those characters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He's going to look at everyone and hold up three fingers?

One finger for every Hulkverse character.

 

[Sithborg]

The same television division that gave us The Inhumans, Iron Fist, and the Defenders. Lets not go too crazy here.

Lets not forget the Inhumans were being pushed by a conservative old man, who has since been completely kicked to the curb.

But sure, lets look at it.

Marvel under Feige:
Loki
Wandavision
Falcon and Winter Soldier
What If?
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
Ms Marvel
She-Hulk
Secret Invasion
Echo
Agatha All Along

Vs

Agents of SHIELD
Agent Carter
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Legion
Iron Fist
The Defenders
Inhumans
The Gifted
The Punisher
Runaways
Cloak & Dagger
Helstrom
MODOK
Hit-Monkey

Are there duds there? Absolutely. But also probably at least 3 times the episodes compared to Feige's work. And probably a combined cost of being much cheaper. And there is good **** in there. Yeah, Loeb probably should be fired anyway, but his department was making television. Not an attempt to match the movies with budget and "8 hour movies".

 

[Mysteryman]

I don't even know who the director of Kraven is...

Pretty sure that it is JC Chandor.

 

[BoredGuy]

Are there duds there? Absolutely. But also probably at least 3 times the episodes compared to Feige's work. And probably a combined cost of being much cheaper. And there is good **** in there. Yeah, Loeb probably should be fired anyway, but his department was making television. Not an attempt to match the movies with budget and "8 hour movies".

People keep saying that
but I'd take Loki, WandaVision, Hawkeye, and Agatha over the vast majority of those "proper tv shows", and put Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, and She-Hulk on par, outside of some crappy finale episodes

 

[lenz]

Can we at least agree that the truly great series produced to date were not by Marvel Studios?

The rebrand to Marvel Television shows Feige may have realized his past approach was not ideal.

Seminal Series:

1) Daredevil
1A) Legion
3) Jessica Jones (Season 1)

I think these three series are legitimatly great Television.

I'd have WandaVision at a solid #4 with
Loki and Punisher vying for the final two spots in a top 5.

If we count animation I have X-Men '97 at #5

I also ike AoS, Agent Carter and Hawkeye to varying degrees.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Can we at least agree that the truly great series produced to date were not by Marvel Studios?

The rebrand to Marvel Television shows Feige may have realized his past approach was not ideal.

Seminal Series:

1) Daredevil
1A) Legion
3) Jessica Jones (Season 1)

I think these three series are legitimatly great Television.

I'd have WandaVision at a solid #4 with
Loki and Punisher vying for the final two spots in a top 5.

If we count animation I have X-Men '97 at #5

I also ike AoS, Agent Carter and Hawkeye to varying degrees.

This is admittedly my love for the show talking, and it being my favorite comic book adaptation period, but I'd take Legion over any TV series put out by either Marvel Television or Marvel Studios. Daredevil is a distant second. But those three you call seminal, they're not just great comic book shows, they're great shows.

Agent Carter's first season, I loved, and I liked the change of scenery with Season 2, but I wish more had been done with Dottie Underwood. Plus, another example of a cliffhanger that won't be resolved with the show being cancelled.

 

[lenz]

This is admittedly my love for the show talking, and it being my favorite comic book adaptation period, but I'd take Legion over any TV series put out by either Marvel Television or Marvel Studios. Daredevil is a distant second. But those three you call seminal, they're not just great comic book shows, they're great shows.

Agent Carter's first season, I loved, and I liked the change of scenery with Season 2, but I wish more had been done with Dottie Underwood. Plus, another example of a cliffhanger that won't be resolved with the show being cancelled.

Hard to argue against Legion being #1. Admittedly DD is my favorite comic book character along with Wolverine, so there is a definite bias in my ranking.

 

[lenz]

What's frustrating is Disney has John Landgraf at their disposal, who is the absolute best in the business at creating prestige television. He won't get another sniff though because King Feige has to control everything.

Making billions of dollars for the parent company will give you that status.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Hard to argue against Legion being #1. Admittedly DD is my favorite comic book character along with Wolverine, so there is a definite bias in my ranking.

Oh, I completely get having Daredevil as number 1. I'd put it right alongside Winter Soldier as the best overall products put out under the MCU umbrella.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I wasn't even defending the Disney Plus shows. I was just saying that calling the old TV division of Marvel Entertainment "a competent division" was a bit of a reach.

What's frustrating is Disney has John Landgraf at their disposal, who is the absolute best in the business at creating prestige television. He won't get another sniff though because King Feige has to control everything.

Making billions of dollars for the parent company will give you that status.

I think it was actually Disney's decision to give Feige control of Marvel TV and basically shut out Ike Pearlmutter completely. I don't think it was something Feige pushed for. It was put in his lap.

 

[lenz]

I wasn't even defending the Disney Plus shows. I was just saying that calling the old TV division of Marvel Entertainment "a competent division" was a bit of a reach.


I think it was actually Disney's decision to give Feige control of Marvel TV and basically shut out Ike Pearlmutter completely. I don't think it was something Feige pushed for. It was put in his lap.

Good point.

Is Kevin Feige willing to give up control of Marvel IP to other creatives? As long as he holds his current position it's hard not to see all live-action properties connected to the MCU.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Good point.

Is Kevin Feige willing to give up control of Marvel IP to other creatives? As long has he holds his current position it's hard not to see all live-action properties needing to be connected to the MCU.

Being connected is what made the MCU successful in the first place. If anything, the MCU post-Endgame is too fractured and all over the place. That is one of the problems with it, actually.

The one connecting thread was Kang and that got nuked completely to hell.

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel Studios > Marvel Television

Both are/were frustrating with their tv shows, but at least I didn't have to endure 22 episodes long of AOS, sit through multiple shows of Netflix shows with episodes that ran over 50 minutes and wondered if the characters of those shows were gonna show up in the movies.

 

[blueharvest]

I put these in spoiler tags just in case.

Spoiler

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I put these in spoiler tags just in case.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Is that green *****e with the goatee supposed to be The Leader?

 

[blueharvest]

Spoiler

Is that green *****e with the goatee supposed to be The Leader?

I think it might be.

 

[Venom 1988]

Spoiler

Is that green *****e with the goatee supposed to be The Leader?

Spoiler

I mean he's green, has a goatee and based on the sculpt looks like he's gonna have a big head. What else do you need?

 

[lenz]

At this point I'm sure Disney would just love to move past this mess like Snow White. The sooner its forgotten the better.

More months added of terrible PR which isn't great for projects that may actually be good.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Spoiler

I mean he's green, has a goatee and based on the sculpt looks like he's gonna have a big head. What else do you need?

Spoiler

Why is he dressed like a college art teacher?

And his head looks the same size as the other pops in that pic.