Captain America: Brave New World - News & Speculation Thread

[AntonGobbs89]

It all comes down to the extent and purpose of the reshoots.

Rogue One may be the only example of a movie which was heavily reshot and retooled after principal photography, and somehow came out well.

This movie stinks of a desperate push and pull by the studio.

Superman 2 might be another one for anyone that enjoys that film.

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm reading the reviews on RT and they're all over the place.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[emielaen]

This review is all over the place. Kinda awesome. But not a blast. Classic Marvel fun, looks great...needed script polishing. I can't even tell if they really liked it or not.

Also, I don't think anyone expected this movie to be a game changer.

They don't wanna say it's not good lol

The "Game changer?" quandary is what gets me. Are we really expecting that from the MCU?

The edit at :38 seconds is hilarious.

 

[Superhero 101]

This should have been the second season for falcon and winter soldier and thunderbolts could have been a season 3

 

[donuts]

This should have been the second season for falcon and winter soldier and thunderbolts could have been a season 3

Thunderbolts looks like a proper movie. Don't get the same vibes as with this one at all.

 

[DyeLorean]

Thunderbolts* is the most interestingly old-school MCU movie in a while, which is "take a bunch of characters we've seen previously and put them together, see what happens". We haven't had new dynamics between different returning characters in a long time. Is a movie that should be a movie and not a TV show.

 

[lenz]

Yes, Thunderbolts looks very very promising. I'm not expecting it to be super popular, but if it's good and the character dynamics work, it's definitely something you can build upon and grow in the future, similar to phase 1 MCU films. I'm pulling for that one.

 

[DyeLorean]

Dan Murrell is a reviewer I usually side on. His opinions and arguments are always pretty much aligned with mine. So this was a welcome surprise.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

 

[mace1]

 

[Venom 1988]

Please no Grace

 

[Still Wynning]

The reviews and rating for Rotten Tomatoes were about what I was expecting. Entertaining and serviceable, moving some things forward, but politically muddled and toothless and hampered by not great writing and directing that not even reshoots could solve.

You just know that if this doesn’t do well at the box office, Marvel Studios is going to use it as an example of people not wanting a black Captain America and diversity not being profitable anymore, so then they can kill his character off or push him to the side in or after Avengers: Doomsday/Secret Wars and just resort to nostalgia baiting people with bringing back Steve Rogers played by a recast actor, among other recycled and repackaged old fan favorites. No more moving forward and doing anything new, just served slightly altered old recipes and consume.

If recent news is any indication on how Disney as a company is doing away with anything related to diversity and representation regarding people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community by playing it safe and kowtowing to the current establishment and catering to the kind of people that voted in our current president, I’m dreading how they’re going to defang the X-Men.

 

[Zyraquis]

Turned out that some liked it, some disliked it and some were indifferent about it. I’m happy to have an excuse to the cinema again come this Saturday hopefully to rinse off the bad memory of the last outing.

Reshoot: There was a movie where all scenes of an actor were reshot only weeks before its release, and then it was nominated for an Oscar. Totally unscheduled reshoot from the original plan. Not always a bad thing. Just saying.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

If they bring back Steve Rogers with a new actor... how is that different from James Bond, or Superman, or Batman, or Spider-Man?

 

[The Caped Knight]

If they bring back Steve Rogers with a new actor... how is that different from James Bond, or Superman, or Batman, or Spider-Man?

Eventually the world is going to get rebooted. It's only a matter of time especially if the current roster doesn't work with the original six.

 

[DarkKnight88]

If they bring back Steve Rogers with a new actor... how is that different from James Bond, or Superman, or Batman, or Spider-Man?

In those cases they usually reboot the whole universe as well with a new creative team.

I can’t see the whole MCU getting rebooted though they may pull the multiverse crap a few more times.

 

[lenz]

In those cases they usually reboot the whole universe as well with a new creative team.

I can’t see the whole MCU getting rebooted though they may pull the multiverse crap a few more times.

As long as Feige is around, likely. But when Iger exits in a year or two, all bets are off. The company has underperformed dramatically the last 4 years, like Hollywood in general. The new CEO will audit every department and figure out why there has been a dramatic drop off.

 

[Ctfxcwatcher]

I know when they finally recast Iron Man...well let's just say, Marvel Studios has their work cut out for them. I would not want that pressure.

 

[mace1]

As long as Feige is around, likely. But when Iger exits in a year or two, all bets are off. The company has underperformed dramatically the last 4 years, like Hollywood in general. The new CEO will audit every department and figure out why there has been a dramatic drop off.

Disney is the first studio to surpass $5 billion worldwide since 2019 and has been No. 1 for eight of the past nine consecutive years globally. With titles still in active release, Disney has delivered three out of the top four global movies of the year so far, including two $1 billion films.Jan 2, 2025

AI Overview

Yes, Disney made over $5 billion at the global box office in 2024, which was the first time since 2019 that any studio had reached that milestone.

Explanation
In 2024, Disney grossed $5.46 billion worldwide, including $2.23 billion domestically and $3.23 billion internationally.

This made Disney the top-earning studio in the world for the year.

Disney's success in 2024 was due in large part to the success of several of its films, including Inside Out 2, Deadpool & Wolverine, Moana 2, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Alien: Romulus.

Inside Out 2 was the highest-grossing animated film of all time globally.

Deadpool & Wolverine was the top-grossing R-rated movie of all time globally.

Moana 2 set records for animated opening weekends at the global box office.

 

[psylockolussus]

This should have been the second season for falcon and winter soldier and thunderbolts could have been a season 3

Thunderbolts and Brave New World do feel like Disney+ shows. Its weird I haven't seen TFAWS since 2021, yet these movies do feel successor shows for that show.

 

[lenz]

Disney is the first studio to surpass $5 billion worldwide since 2019 and has been No. 1 for eight of the past nine consecutive years globally. With titles still in active release, Disney has delivered three out of the top four global movies of the year so far, including two $1 billion films.Jan 2, 2025

AI Overview

Yes, Disney made over $5 billion at the global box office in 2024, which was the first time since 2019 that any studio had reached that milestone.

Explanation
In 2024, Disney grossed $5.46 billion worldwide, including $2.23 billion domestically and $3.23 billion internationally.

This made Disney the top-earning studio in the world for the year.

Disney's success in 2024 was due in large part to the success of several of its films, including Inside Out 2, Deadpool & Wolverine, Moana 2, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Alien: Romulus.

Inside Out 2 was the highest-grossing animated film of all time globally.

Deadpool & Wolverine was the top-grossing R-rated movie of all time globally.

Moana 2 set records for animated opening weekends at the global box office.

How does this argue my point?

Just for comparison, 4 years ago in February 2021, Disney's Market Cap was worth $345 billion and Netflix was worth $290 billion.

Today, in February 2025, Disney's Market Cap is $197 billion and Netflix is worth $440 billion....

The creation of Disney + was in part to catch Netflix's Market Cap in short order and than eventually eclipse it with it's host of iconic brands like Marvel and Star Wars, along with its 100 year library of curated Fox and Disney classics.

Versus Netflix's river of forgettable ready made-to-order content. No Major IP's to its name at the time.

Look at these results. They've not only gone backwards, but managed to severely tarnish their 2 biggest brands in the meantime. Even the once fail-proof Pixar went through a rough patch. One year doesn't negate the direction the company has gone the last 4 +, for a whole host of reasons. It's been a rough 4 years. The fact that they can buy every other traditional studio 4-5 times over doesn't change that.

Forget about stocks and all this volatility, just from an organic "fan" response across the board, it's pretty lifeless from where it was. The biggest lifeblood of the industry is creativity and inspiration.

All these studios can turn it around with the right leadership and fresh perspectives on how to do things, just as the opposite confounding decisions led them here.

I think a lot of fandom will move on to new things in 2025 and beyond.

 

[psylockolussus]

I also think Marvel needs to stop this legacy character route. Its always going to be a challenge when you are passing the torch to a supporting character to be the next Captain America, Black Panther, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc. That rarely works and theres always going to be an unnecessary comparison between the OG titleholder and the legacy character.

When this movie was announced, it was so obvious that they wanted to cash in from the Captain America name, instead of actually giving Falcon/Sam Wilson his own moment.

I'm also reading some comments, that this a "Incredible Hulk sequel", like why would they do that to a Captain America movie?

 

[mace1]

5 Major Ways the MCU Is Course Correcting in 2025

https://movieweb.com/mcu-course-corrections-2025-and-beyond/

Bob Iger on the Disney+ plan to beat Netflix

The Disney CEO suggests that bundling Disney+ and Hulu is a path forward

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What Bob Iger’s Critics Get Wrong about His Performance at Disney

Disney is embroiled in a proxy fight with activist investor Nelson Peltz ahead of its annual shareholder meeting next week. Prof. Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and co-author Steven Tian write that Peltz and other critics of CEO Bob Iger are relying on a series of myths that don’t hold up to scrutiny.

insights.som.yale.edu

Netflix, Watch Out: Disney’s Streaming Growth Can 2x Its Stock

Disney’s direct-to-consumer operations aren’t actually very far behind Netflix in scale.

www.forbes.com

Netflix vs. Disney: Analyzing Investor Sentiment and Market Performance in 2024

As of September 2024, Netflix Inc. (NFLX) and The Walt Disney Company (DIS) stand as titans in the entertainment and streaming industry. While Netflix has carved out a niche as a pure-play streaming service, Disney boasts a diversified portfolio that encompasses streaming (Disney+), theme parks...

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[lenz]

https://movieweb.com/mcu-course-corrections-2025-and-beyond/

What Bob Iger’s Critics Get Wrong about His Performance at Disney

Disney is embroiled in a proxy fight with activist investor Nelson Peltz ahead of its annual shareholder meeting next week. Prof. Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and co-author Steven Tian write that Peltz and other critics of CEO Bob Iger are relying on a series of myths that don’t hold up to scrutiny.

insights.som.yale.edu

Netflix, Watch Out: Disney’s Streaming Growth Can 2x Its Stock

Disney’s direct-to-consumer operations aren’t actually very far behind Netflix in scale.

www.forbes.com

Netflix vs. Disney: Analyzing Investor Sentiment and Market Performance in 2024

As of September 2024, Netflix Inc. (NFLX) and The Walt Disney Company (DIS) stand as titans in the entertainment and streaming industry. While Netflix has carved out a niche as a pure-play streaming service, Disney boasts a diversified portfolio that encompasses streaming (Disney+), theme parks...

www.kavout.com

I agree with much of this sentiment, but many of these points were made four years ago, albeit from a narrower pov regarding the whole streaming issue.
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Four years later the results are mixed at best. This is an industry/across the board issue too. I just listed Disney because its a Marvel forum.

From a creative perspective, only FX seems to have risen above it and kept its reputation intact. Even HBO has fallen off dramatically.