Captain America: Brave New World - News & Speculation Thread

[TheVileOne]

Rosa Salazar was going to play Diamondback and was going to be part of the Serpent Society.

 

[BobJM]

I think the Serpent Society stuff (Rosa Salazar and Seth Rollins) got amalgamated into Esposito’s character. I assume that, originally, there was no main / central character running the Society, and they were just a group of colorful lackeys that Leader used in a similar affect as the final film. Maybe they had super-powers too but ultimately they didn’t test well, and Marvel went back to worked worked in previous Cap movies and made Esposito a Rumlow/Crossbones-type for Sam.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Between all of that and The Leader's original design, it seems the movie was much more "comic booky" in earlier cuts and they changed the tone.

 

[BobJM]

For the better, I think

 

[RiXi]

The Leader's design was not comic accurate.
But it wasn't bad. It looked scary, and what someone would picture a "gamma mutated but just from the brain" could look like.

Had they gone with a more comic accurate look, as in the concept art, not only would it be harder to take him seriously in the scenes he was in. I feel like we'd have another Modok situation where he looks so odd he's massively mocked online.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

 

[Lily Adler]

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Just need an evil billionaire trying to steal government secrets to enrich themselves.

 

[Mysteryman]

Just need an evil billionaire trying to steal government secrets to enrich themselves.

SEQUEL!

 

[Mysteryman]

The Leader's design was not comic accurate.
But it wasn't bad. It looked scary, and what someone would picture a "gamma mutated but just from the brain" could look like.

Had they gone with a more comic accurate look, as in the concept art, not only would it be harder to take him seriously in the scenes he was in. I feel like we'd have another Modok situation where he looks so odd he's massively mocked online.

I can’t say how happy I am that, The Leader was NOT, A BIg Green Head!

 

[psylockolussus]

Someone should edit that show into a 2-hour movie. If it isn't already out there somewhere.

They should do that to every Mcu live action show. I really can't find the interest to rewatch these mcu shows even if its just 6 to 9 episodes and not get bored.

 

[psylockolussus]

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Things cut from this movie I want to know more about: 1. Who was the funeral for (Ross?)? 2. What was Rosa Salazar's character doing in the movie?

Oh Lord. I haven't seen those before and this just opened a can of worms for me.

 

[donuts]

They should do that to every Mcu live action show. I really can't find the interest to rewatch these mcu shows even if its just 6 to 9 episodes and not get bored.

Loki beig the one exception.

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm rewatching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier again too and I still believe that, overall, it is still the best version of what an actual movie-to-tv show should look and feel like. You have the big action set pieces but also the more intimate, smaller moments that you don't get on a big MCU movie. And John Walker is a genuine interesting character.

 

[donuts]

I'm rewatching The Falcon and the Winter Soldier again too and I still believe that, overall, it is still the best version of what an actual movie-to-tv show should look and feel like. You have the big action set pieces but also the more intimate, smaller moments that you don't get on a big MCU movie. And John Walker is a genuine interesting character.

And then it completely ****s the bed with the villains' subplot and the finale.

 

[BoredGuy]

if FATWS had been better received it would've probably been a much better idea to give us season 2/Captain America and the Winter Soldier

Include some of these same beats, start the season with a Serpent Society arc, slowly plant the seeds of Leaders return, set up Sam and Bucky for their roles in Doomsday and Thunderbolts, and have the final third deal with President Red Hulk

 

[donuts]

Or maybe...

They could've strived to write a genuinely good shooting script first, and then gone into production with a solid director attached.

 

[BobJM]

if FATWS had been better received it would've probably been a much better idea to give us season 2/Captain America and the Winter Soldier

Include some of these same beats, start the season with a Serpent Society arc, slowly plant the seeds of Leaders return, set up Sam and Bucky for their roles in Doomsday and Thunderbolts, and have the final third deal with President Red Hulk

Marvel had the right idea to not sideline it's Captain America to its streaming service; it's a big-screen character.

If anything, I think you could make the argument that FATWS and Black Widow should have swapped places, i.e. FATWS the first theatrical film to follow-up Endgame. And BW would have been a 6-episode miniseries that explored Natasha's backstory (and teased the formation of the Thunderbolts*).

But having rewatched FATWS this weekend after seeing BNW, I actually think it's aged quite well

 

[BobJM]

Or maybe...

They could've strived to write a genuinely good shooting script first, and then gone into production with a solid director attached.

This. I think the movie works; it's just a shame they couldn't figure out the story until mid-way through / after production.

 

[BoredGuy]

Marvel had the right idea to not sideline it's Captain America to its streaming service; it's a big-screen character.

If anything, I think you could make the argument that FATWS and Black Widow should have swapped places, i.e. FATWS the first theatrical film to follow-up Endgame. And BW would have been a 6-episode miniseries that explored Natasha's backstory (and teased the formation of the Thunderbolts*).

But having rewatched FATWS this weekend after seeing BNW, I actually think it's aged quite well

I hear ya
But I feel like the events of BNW would've played better over a season than as a film
Maybe season 1 should've been the movie, which would've let them cut a bunch of the stuff that didn't work, and then BNW would've been a follow up series... idk

There's been a lot about Sam as Cap that has been a huge and unfortunate "miss" thus far on Marvel's part

 

[Mr. Peanut]

It honestly would've been way better if the Disney+ shows never actually featured characters from the movies in a signifcant capacity. Keep them in a separate self contained corner of the universe like the Netflix shows.

Right after Endgame we should've gotten a Falcon movie about him embracing the mantle, that's a story most people skipped because it's a Disney+ show. And even the people who watched it are most likely to skip it (and other Disney+ shows) on rewatches. It's just too much content for the broad movie-going audience that the MCU mainly focuses on.

Then in 2023 we could get his first major appearance as Captain America in an Avengers movie, developing his relationship with characters like Shang Chi and the new Black Panther so we have a reason to feel hyped about the current cast.

Then this year would still be CA4 starring Sam, except with story beats that follow up from the Avengers film and lead directly into the next Avengers film (which doesn't mean it can't still tell its own complete story...look at Civil War as the blueprint, it was a direct follow up to AoU and led right into IW while still telling an awesome story of its own).

 

[donuts]

I mean, it is what it is. Let's just hope they won't be sloppy with the next Avengers movies.

 

[psylockolussus]

I trust the Russo brothers to know better not to make a movie in levels of Brave New World. I don't expect them to top their previous mcu movies, but I would be shocked if its in rotten/B minus territory.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I trust the Russo brothers to know better not to make a movie in levels of Brave New World. I don't expect them to top their previous mcu movies, but I would be shocked if its in rotten/B minus territory.

Filmmakers don't set out to make bad movies. Bad movies happen for a variety of reasons. So the Russos may well intend to make Avengers Doomsday/Secret Wars into amazing epics that will make Ben-Hur or Lawrence of Arabia look amateur by comparison. But that has no bearing on the quality we are going to get, and I have every reason to believe based on the data I have that Doomsday will be worse

 

[Mysteryman]

Dan Murrell is a reviewer I usually side on. His opinions and arguments are always pretty much aligned with mine. So this was a welcome surprise.

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After a second viewing, Dan downgraded BNW to “IT’s FINE”.He mentions it during his spoiler review he did say it was right on the edge of the two grades.

 

[Lily Adler]