The Winter Soldier Captain America II = Political Thriller

[(SUPERMAN)]

I can’t believe know one’s talking about this bit of information that came from a Chris Evans interview in Brazil he talks about it at 8: 15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6xh8WLWtU&feature=player_embedded

Political thriller it sounds very interesting I don’t know much of Cap’s history so maybe this has been covered in the Comics but either way I can’t wait to find out more.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Solo movie talk has been tempered by the fact that the Avengers World Premiere is tonight in Hollywood. I fully expect it to pick up at some point. But right now its all about Assembling!

I am curious who the villain would be if that is the basic premise.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I think "political thriller" in the terms of a superhero movie might be taken a bit out of context....but I think it's an interesting idea to explore.

something like Captain America "protects" a high level presedential candidate from a supervillain only to find out that the Candidate is the one to hire him out or something...

Much like Iron Man with the espionage angle....I'm sure there will be traces of "political thriller" but I'd safely bet on it still be a super hero movie

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

we migh see HYDRA again...

 

[chiefchirpa]

Much like Iron Man with the espionage angle....I'm sure there will be traces of "political thriller" but I'd safely bet on it still be a super hero movie

I've never get about an Iron Man movie being a spy/James Bond kind.

Black Widow or Hawkeye, if there ever be a movie about either of them, is an espionage type. Iron Man, being a technological Superman, is much more than a spy movie. It could be a global world-ending terrorism kind but Iron Man is less likely to be clandestine - even with the almost never worn stealth armor.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

From today's interview with Kevin Feige - http://collider.com/kevin-feige-thor-2-iron-man-3-avengers-sequel-interview/158942/

Captain America 2, how much are you going to…obviously it’s taking place after the events of The Avengers. A lot of talk of maybe doing some stuff back in time. Are you still figuring that out?

Feige: We’re still figuring that out. We love that cast, we love his dynamic with that cast and we want to see that again…the cast from the first movie; we want to see that again because I think it informs his character in a big way. But the primary storyline takes place post-Avengers, Steve figuring out his place in the world. Tony goes back to Malibu, Thor goes back to Asgard, but there are a number of people who stay in S.H.I.E.L.D. Steve, for the time being, is going to be one of them.

 

[The Infernal]

we migh see HYDRA again...

This is what I'm thinking. Political thriller suggests some sort of terrorist threat and Hydra, a terrorist organisation, was already set up in the first movie. Plus we know, almost certainly, that there will be period flashbacks. It would be out of the question to see a Hydra storyline that parallels in modern day and the period flashbacks.

 

[WildcatNC]

we migh see HYDRA again...

We SHOULD see Hydra again imo. I would like to see AIM also.

Perhaps AIM could be the primary antagonist in Cap II, spreading WMD's to rogue organizations/nations fulfilling the "political thriller" criteria. Maybe AIM could even be hinted at as a supplier to the Ten Rings in IM III.

Then when they sleuth out and stop AIM, they discover the big reveal, that HYDRA is still operating behind the scenes.

I would hate to waste Weaving for just one movie as well. Maybe have them learn that Zemo is running HYDRA. Skull finds his way back to earth so many years later and retakes control of HYDRA.

Just ideas, but there is lots of fun to be had there. Plenty of material to work with and we haven't even gotten to the henchmen Lt.'s yet.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

AIM would be cool. If they go with modern Hydra I want Viper^^

 

[WildcatNC]

AIM would be cool. If they go with modern Hydra I want Viper^^

Crossbones also came to mind immediately for me. Both are good ideas.


We can't forget about Winter Soldier either. Not sure how it would work 70 years later though. Some version of the infinity formula might have to be brought into play.

I would love to see Dum Dum again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah a political thriller does lend itself to Hydra and possibly the return of The Red Skull? I sort of hope he is as I was VERY dissapointed with the RA we got in TFA. Having an actor like Hugo Weaving and giving him virtually nothing to do was criminal in my eyes.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yeah a political thriller does lend itself to Hydra and possibly the return of The Red Skull? I sort of hope he is as I was VERY dissapointed with the RA we got in TFA. Having an actor like Hugo Weaving and giving him virtually nothing to do was criminal in my eyes.

idk, cast Weaving was the criminal act, imo. This guy can't give subtle performances. everything he does is bigger than life.
Still, people here use to defend him, calling him a brillant actor. Can't see why.

 

[The Morningstar]

Weaving is a fantastic actor, to deny this is mind boggling.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Weaving is a fantastic actor, to deny this is mind boggling.

I have to agree, and thats why I found his performance in the first movie dissapointing. But, it wasnt Weavings fault, the writing for his character was pretty poor.

The Matrix Trilogy, LOTR Trilogy, even The Wolfman and, especially, V For Vendetta, all prove he is an amazing actor. They need to let him off the leash if The Red Skull comes back IMO.

 

[The Morningstar]

Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Little Fish, The Interview. He's had some great performances. V for Vendetta was ridiculous. Let's see how many other actors can give such an emotive and commanding performance without their face or eyes ever being shown.

I thought he was ok as Red Skull, he injected some cool character quirks and had a great presence. I liked how the character saw magic and mysticism as a science that can be harnessed. Thought the scene where he was listening to Bach(?) whilst having his portrait done with blood was awesome. Also really liked the scene where he vaporized the Nazi's.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Little Fish, The Interview. He's had some great performances. V for Vendetta was ridiculous. Let's see how many other actors can give such an emotive and commanding performance without their face or eyes ever being shown.

Well yeah, he has plenty of roles but I just mentioned the more mainstream ones. In V For Vendetta he was amazing, he invested us emotionally in a character who had no face, that is no small feat.

I thought he was ok as Red Skull, he injected some cool character quirks and had a great presence. I liked how the character saw magic and mysticism as a science that can be harnessed. Thought the scene where he was listening to Bach(?) whilst having his portrait done with blood was awesome. Also really liked the scene where he vaporized the Nazi's.

Again, I had no problem with his performance, I just thought the part was very subdued in its writing, he has some great moments, but overall I just thought the character was weak, he didnt come off threatening at all either apart from his first meeting with Cap in the factory. If Weaving had been let off the leash with the character, I think we would've gotten a truly memorable villain. As it is, RS is near the bottom of my list for Marvel movie villains.

 

[The Morningstar]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

 

[The Morningstar]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

I dont think he came across as ruthless though, it was more pantomine villain for me. Look at Sebastien Shaw in X-Men: First Class, it had the same rating as Cap, yet Shaw came across as powerful, threatening, charismatic, ruthless and yet was a character to invest in also. Red Skull barely came across as any of these things, and yet I would say Weaving is a better actor than Bacon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would say Red Skull was more Bond-esque villain in Cap, but with ruthless elements.

 

[Shadowlord X]

CA:TFA was a story about Steve Rogers/CAPTAIN AMERICA. The movie told the story over several years of how Steve Rogers went from a weakling to a super-soldier, then from a super-soldier to a propaganda symbol, then from a propaganda symbol to a hero, then from a hero to a legend.

It is not a story about the RED SKULL. He is merely a foil to the story of Steve Rogers. This is not tdk where the hero becomes a foil to show how cool and smart the villain is.

The villain is foil to show how great the hero is, as it should be. It is actually done quite brilliantly because if you look at all the above transitions, the actions of Johann Schmidt/the RED SKULL acts as a catalyst for most of them.


In addition the nature of the story being told over many years and not a single adventure makes having an over-impactful villain difficult.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Say no to Baron Zemo, another chance for Hugo Weaving

 

[chiefchirpa]

We SHOULD see Hydra again imo. I would like to see AIM also.

Perhaps AIM could be the primary antagonist in Cap II, spreading WMD's to rogue organizations/nations fulfilling the "political thriller" criteria. Maybe AIM could even be hinted at as a supplier to the Ten Rings in IM III.

Then when they sleuth out and stop AIM, they discover the big reveal, that HYDRA is still operating behind the scenes.

I would hate to waste Weaving for just one movie as well. Maybe have them learn that Zemo is running HYDRA. Skull finds his way back to earth so many years later and retakes control of HYDRA.

Just ideas, but there is lots of fun to be had there. Plenty of material to work with and we haven't even gotten to the henchmen Lt.'s yet.

AIM is best given to the Ant-Man franchise (Henry Pym, Janet v Dyne, and so on). You know Science vs Science. AIM is a bit less ruthless than Hydra, yet more controlling. I know I could see MODOK comes alive with all its ridiculousness with Edgar Wrights' Ant-Man. But not with the gritty, political thriller Captain America.

Captain America -> Hydra, Zemo's groupie
Ant-Man -> AIM
Iron Man -> Ten Rings, Maggia
Marvel Studios Daredevil -> the Hand

 

[marcvader]

If Red Skull is not being used then Zemo needs to be brought in. I also wouldn't mind Crossbones as a henchman or secondary villain as he's not strong enough to carry a movie by himself. Hydra should be used as well.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I almost feel like the toned down Red Skull was part of the attempt to capture the serial movie feel. If he returns in a modern setting I would hope he would be nastier (likely going by what people are saying about Loki in Avengers) but I would also retain Weaving as the shortcomings in the Skulls portrayal were not his imo.