The Winter Soldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 1

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I really enjoyed this. I wasn't blown out of the water, I think it might have been overhyped to me a bit. It's an 8/10. Iron Man 3 was just as good imho. Avengers was significantly better to me. I am horribly biased though. As a Cap fan, I felt this movie was 'owed' to me, so when he did certain stuff, I was like 'yeah, as it should be.'

I do agree it was overhyped, but it was still a very, very good film, and Iron Man 3 does not come anywhere close. TWS had a much more intricate and suspenseful plot, and by far a more interesting villain(s).


Anyway:
Loved the political aspect brought into play in this movie, reminding me a little of Mark Millar's Ultimates. The hand to hand combat was very well done, if not a little overused. And most important, we finally get to really see Cap go full badass! CA:TFA and The Avengers didn't showcase enough his peak human physicality and dexterity in combat. Well, here we finally got it! Cap taking out that SHIELD jet/plane/(whatever you call it) single handedly was awesome!

My only gripes were 1. the final act was probably a little drawn out and 2. they went a bit overboard with all the explosions and Helicarriers crashing into everything in the conclusion of the climax.

In my opinion this is hands down the best film from Marvel Studios since Iron Man 1.
 
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Just got back from seeing this. My first thought is, the balls in your court Joss!

Loved it, this is the movie Cap deserves. The action was phenomenal, I really hope every other Marvel film going forward can repeat what this film did. Some of the punches and beats were so visceral, the action was quick but certain parts held still just long enough for you to see the moves. And ofcourse, great action means very little if you don't care about the characters, but this movie had great character scenes too.

As a fan of first two Terminator films, I got really excited when someone on this board mentioned how Terminator like The Winter Soldier himself was, and I'm glad that comparison was spot on. He does not stop, and does not have empathy. What a truly great antagonist.

Spoilery thoughts:

Loved the Peggy scene, was not expecting the alzhiemers part. Really heartbreaking. And so thankful the make up didn't look cheap or distract in any way.

Loved all the WW2 stuff (the little that was there, would have lapped up more!) Loved the Cap museum, I would have liked a gritty flashback scene showing us a mission in WW2, to really show why Cap was a hero in the war, but to also remind people of Bucky as Cap's best friend. I thought more seeds were going to be sown before the Winter Soldier reveal. That's my only story complaint. I kind of wish we'd seen more of Bucky in this film prior to the revelation. Obviously he's in the first film, but this film is so different, in quality (imo) in tone, that it could have used one scene to quickly present everyone with a WW2 mission and see Cap and Bucky in action, side by side. Again, sure we have this in the first film, but I think its fair to say this film is on another level, and I would have liked to have seen the Ruso's do a WW2 scene, which wasn't part of some montage like the first.

My only problem with having watched TWS is, I think I'm going to resent Cap's first film a bit more now. I never liked the hokey action with stupidly huge tanks and lazer gun battles after such a great first half set up (and the first half of TFA is perhaps my favourite half of any Marvel film) and after seeing The Winter Soldier, I'm sure glade the Ruso's are back for the third installment (I think? Ive been staying away from Cap news for fear of spoilers) but I also wish they could go back in time and direct the first film :oldrazz:
 
Just got back from seeing this. My first thought is, the balls in your court Joss!

Hellz yeah. The way IM and Cap's powers were handled in their respective Phase 2 movies shows there's a lot more creativity to be tapped into; whether they be acrobatic feats, intensive "H2H" combat, using individual pieces of armor, using on-the-fly intelligence for makeshift weapons, etc.

I know Joss spoke of their powers being "punchy" and feeling restricted by that, but I hope these movies inspire him and the storyboard artists to brainstorm more inventive ways to use them, if not at least match what we've now seen.
 
Captain America: The Winter Soldier is easily the best of the MCU Phase II movies so far. I loved just about every second of the movie.

I really hope we get atleast a little bit of Falcon in AoU; he seems to really love tagging alongside Cap, so I don't see how he'll be away from the action when Ultron comes to town.

I'm also really interested in where the third movie will go & what happens to Bucky. Baron Zemo? The return of Red Skull?

Anyway, Cap: TWS is now my third favorite MCU movie behind Avengers & Iron Man; I couldn't ask for a better Captain America movie. TWS was better than every movie I saw in 2013, if this is a taste of what's to come...then we're in for a good time.

9/10
 
I like it a lot. I put it above IM3 and TDW. The scene where Pierce interrogates Cap was just great. I do agree that Marvel needs to not feel like every third act has to have huge explosions and general destruction porn. I know it happens all the time in the comics but it feels overdone since it happens in every superhero movie these days.
 
I feel bad for Guardians, Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Days of Future Past to have to follow.

Who knows with X-Men, Spiderman on the other hand will be fine and the tops of these movies this summer.
 
My first thought is, the balls in your court Joss!

Yes.:woot: Seriously, if Joss dumbs down Cap in AOU it's not only going to piss people off but it will be a very BIG inconsistency.

Hellz yeah. The way IM and Cap's powers were handled in their respective Phase 2 movies shows there's a lot more creativity to be tapped into; whether they be acrobatic feats, intensive "H2H" combat, using individual pieces of armor, using on-the-fly intelligence for makeshift weapons, etc.

I know Joss spoke of their powers being "punchy" and feeling restricted by that, but I hope these movies inspire him and the storyboard artists to brainstorm more inventive ways to use them, if not at least match what we've now seen.

Everyone else has been well-serviced except Thor. The last major feat Thor did was almost level Jotunheim in the first film. He was dumbed down in Thor Avengers and Thor 2 to an extent. He needs to shine, I hope the rumoured Ragnok storyline for Thor 3 will let him loose especially if Sutur is involved.:woot:
 
Everyone else has been well-serviced except Thor. The last major feat Thor did was almost level Jotunheim in the first film. He was dumbed down in Thor Avengers and Thor 2 to an extent. He needs to shine, I hope the rumoured Ragnok storyline for Thor 3 will let him loose especially if Sutur is involved.:woot:

Thor 3 is pretty much teed up to be the best of the franchise so far if you ask me. All the pieces set in place, especially with Loki, should offer up a helluva showdown. Yeah, I hope they up his game to do some kooky stuff. Not even necessarily in terms of "power levels" and that stuff, but just creative action beats that make an impact both physically and emotionally. Those are the best.

It's the difference between Halle Berry hopping around in Catwoman and Peter Parker scaling the building in Spider-Man when chasing Uncle Ben's killer. Both have CG that definitely don't hold up, but it's the former everyone hates, appropriately. The latter is played more grounded and with energy behind it.

Also, I forgot to give a shout out to the actor playing the SHIELD guy at the module getting harassed by Rumlow toward the end. He didn't try to steal the spotlight or play it overdramatically, he looked genuinely awkward and conflicted and his performance goes unnoticed in the best possible way, like a successful special effect.
 
Also, I forgot to give a shout out to the actor playing the SHIELD guy at the module getting harassed by Rumlow toward the end. He didn't try to steal the spotlight or play it overdramatically, he looked genuinely awkward and conflicted and his performance goes unnoticed in the best possible way, like a successful special effect.

Good observation and comparison. I had completely forgotten about him in that scene, which means he did his job.
 
Thor 3 is pretty much teed up to be the best of the franchise so far if you ask me. All the pieces set in place, especially with Loki, should offer up a helluva showdown. Yeah, I hope they up his game to do some kooky stuff. Not even necessarily in terms of "power levels" and that stuff, but just creative action beats that make an impact both physically and emotionally. Those are the best.

You're right. I want to see an upgrade in power levels and more creative stuff. One thing I wanna see is more of Thor's flight and hovering around. It just seems like they don't want him flying around.:dry: That shot of him jumping off the balcony and grabbing the hammer was sweet though.:woot: His fight with the Frost giants was great, especially when he was spinning the hammer and twurling around. That was creative and cool. It's at 3:35 and on wards the part I'm talking about.:woot:

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It's the difference between Halle Berry hopping around in Catwoman and Peter Parker scaling the building in Spider-Man when chasing Uncle Ben's killer. Both have CG that definitely don't hold up, but it's the former everyone hates, appropriately. The latter is played more grounded and with energy behind it.

Also, I forgot to give a shout out to the actor playing the SHIELD guy at the module getting harassed by Rumlow toward the end. He didn't try to steal the spotlight or play it overdramatically, he looked genuinely awkward and conflicted and his performance goes unnoticed in the best possible way, like a successful special effect.

That guy looked confused and conflicted as hell. Felt somewhat sorry for him.:csad:
 
It was totally that classroom moment when someone is being awkwardly humiliated and no one wants to step up till they do themselves. It was weirdly relatable, like this all hinges on him whether or not everyone else follows accordingly. Good scene.
 
Would have been funny if it was the same guy who was playing Galaga from Avengers.
 
It was totally that classroom moment when someone is being awkwardly humiliated and no one wants to step up till they do themselves. It was weirdly relatable, like this all hinges on him whether or not everyone else follows accordingly. Good scene.

Happens to all of us.:csad:

Would have been funny if it was the same guy who was playing Galaga from Avengers.

:funny:
 
I was on the edge of my seat pretty much the whole movie, especially all the WS scenes. This film is really thought-provoking, emotional, entertaining and balances them all really well. The fight sequences are top-notch. I enjoyed the music as well. While there are a lot of plot developments and character interactions, I never felt lost since they were well executed. My minor grip would be some of the dialogues. I feel that some lines were too short, if that makes sense.

Outside of that, the performances and chemistry also really elevate the film.


-EVANS: this film put so much emphasis on Cap (as it should) and Evans truly delivered. I went to the double-feature and saw TFA right before. The contrast between Cap in the first film and this was very noticeable. He is more aggressive and jaded in this. Evans played him so well.

-SCARLETT: I think this is definitely her best BW performance. She has more to do in this. She literally kicked asses. Her chemistry with Cap/Evans was one of the highlights of the film.

-SEBASTIAN: dare I say he might have given the best performance in the film. He was very expressive without going overboard and has the screen presence. Forget Cap/WS, I can watch him and Redford together all day. I find their characters relationship very intriguing.

-SJL: this is the first film where I felt he was an integral part of the plot. You get more depth with his character. SJL gave a wonderful performance.

-MACKIE: he was delightful. Perfect casting and new addition to the MCU. He was more serious than I expected.

-REDFORD: I was pleasantly surprise at the amount of screen time he has, I thought it would just going to be an extended cameo at most. It seems like he got really into the role and provided a great performance.

-GRILLO: he actually has more to do than I would have thought and he did a great job.

-VANCAMP: going in I was probably more worried about this particular character and portrayal than any of the above. But I was impressed with her performance and look forward to see more of the character.

I missed the poll. I would have given it a 9.
 
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Just saw the movie, and I can't write a elaborate review since I'm outside, but I must say that it is on par with The Avengers as the best MCU movie, and I like it more than TA in some areas. It is also without a doubt one of the very best CBM ever made. It's simply an incredible and sometimes moving film.

9.5 out of 10

(Gonna leave a space for improvement for Cap 3)
 
SEBASTIAN: dare I say he might have given the best performance in the film. He was very expressive without going overboard and has the screen presence. Forget Cap/WS, I can watch him and Redford together all day. I find their characters relationship very intriguing.

Devastating. I was hoping for some creepy psychopathic father figure-type relationship between Bucky and Pierce, and the movie gave me some great moments. They had wonderful chemistry.

Though I really, really wish Bucky had been the one to end Pierce ;)
 
I just got back from seeing the movie. The Avengers is still my favorite Marvel movie, but this is a REALLY close second. Everything about this movie was awesome. The story was awesome, the effects were awesome, the characters were awesome, the acting was awesome, the action scenes were awesome, the hand to hand fight scenes were awesome, the jokes/humor was awesome, the references were awesome, the movie was much more brutal at points then I though it would be, which is awesome, the stingers were awesome, the awesome was awesome. God do I love this movie.
 
I'm starting to like this film more than TDK the more I think about.
 
I saw it last night. I thought it was absolutely brilliant. Heck, I liked it better than Avengers. It did a good job of capturing Steves' conflict with the modern world, namely what he and the government are willing to do to keep peace, but still keeps him true to his beliefs. I actually liked Black Widow here, namely how they kept her relationship with Cap a friendship and comrade instead of making it feel like a possible romance. Anthony Mackie as Falcon surprised me, since I hadn't seen a lot of him in the promotional material, but boy did he not disappoint.
I look forward to seeing more of him in these movies. The story was solid, keeping me guessing and pulling a nice twist with the HYDRA plot and involving Sterns and Sitwell. The fights were fast-paced, energetic, and great to watch, especially regarding Captain America agaisnt The Winter Solider. And speaking of the man himself, I take back all my doubt on Sebastian Stan pulling it off. He pulled off souless killer and confused/lost individual very well. I just wish they had spent just a bit more time on what they did to him, but what they gave us was enough.
All in all, it was Marvels best film to date imo.
 
Seriously Whedon, put Falcon in AOU. I don't care how you have to fit him in, just do it. He's too awesome NOT to be there. BTW, did anyone else catch the Gabe Jones reference at the Captain America Museum? Peggy Carter mentioned in the archival footage that Cap saved the life of the man who would later become her husband. I think that she was referring to Gabe. Also, the "Cap stealing a car" thing was a reference to the crappy 90's Cap movie (at least I choose to believe that it is).
 
This was a great companion to Iron Man 3 in the MCU Phase II. IM2/IM3 (or at least the Mandarin stuff) was a satire of the War on Terror and military industrial complex. This was a more frightening view of the present and it's future. IM3 was an 80s action comedy, this was a 70's thriller. Complain all you want about the humor in Iron Man movies but it's what makes the Stark/Rogers relationship great. The contrast between the two characters.
 
It's up there with the best for sure.

You saw it?:woot: I'm starting to think it's one of the best CBM ever made, just a notch below TASM2 for now.

Seriously Whedon, put Falcon in AOU. I don't care how you have to fit him in, just do it. He's too awesome NOT to be there. BTW, did anyone else catch the Gabe Jones reference at the Captain America Museum? Peggy Carter mentioned in the archival footage that Cap saved the life of the man who would later become her husband. I think that she was referring to Gabe. Also, the "Cap stealing a car" thing was a reference to the crappy 90's Cap movie (at least I choose to believe that it is).

THIS^^:up::woot:
 
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