The Winter Soldier Captain America: The Winter Soldier - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 2

[Ms. Marvel]

I absolutely loved that. ^

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

I don't think an older audience would like Ult. Cap very much. And with quotes like "Surrender?? You think this letter on my head stands for France??" I highly doubt his movies would do well overseas. He'd be less popular than Maria Hill.

Ultimate Cap was really written as some ultra-right militant dukee-bag, he basically was just like The Comedian in Watchmen. Horrible, horrible portrayal of Cap. Basically Anti-Cap.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

haha wow...i guess it's a safe bet to say most of you are glad that the Cap on the movies is more like his 616 counterpart.

Personally, i love the dukee bag Cap version more, but i still love the movie Cap too..

I was just wondering how different everyting is in the MCU if it was a 100% adaptation of the Ultimates.Not saying that iit'll be better or worse...just wondering

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Disney wouldn't even allow a proper alcoholic storyline for Stark, there's no way they'd be okay with a cannibalistic Hulk, incestuous "miracles" and a racist Cap. Basically under Disney a 100% Ultimates MCU wouldn't exist.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Those bastards!

 

[Ms. Marvel]

If there were no strict regulations maybe that scene in IM3 with the Pepper/Killian tape would have happened.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

But seriously...i never guessed there's this much dislike for Ultimate Cap...

 

[Raiden]

But seriously...i never guessed there's this much dislike for Ultimate Cap...

Ultimate Cap is terrible. He's the only Cap who is even worse than US Agent.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

But seriously...i never guessed there's this much dislike for Ultimate Cap...

Really?

 

[drod1985]

If there were no strict regulations maybe that scene in IM3 with the Pepper/Killian tape would have happened.

Then thank God for Disney's interference, because that would've been terrible.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

People would never accuse Marvel of playing it safe again though.

 

[hafizbat]

If there were no strict regulations maybe that scene in IM3 with the Pepper/Killian tape would have happened.

That would've been beyond horrendous. I don't understand why they would even write a scene like that in the first place...

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

Disney wouldn't even allow a proper alcoholic storyline for Stark, there's no way they'd be okay with a cannibalistic Hulk, incestuous "miracles" and a racist Cap. Basically under Disney a 100% Ultimates MCU wouldn't exist.

Thank God for that, the Ultimates MCU was a lame cash-grab at redoing all their characters as "edgier". It eventually imploded and died off when readers realized they were just getting the same Marvel stories as before except with A-holes instead of heroes.

 

[Tony Stark]

Disney wouldn't even allow a proper alcoholic storyline for Stark, there's no way they'd be okay with a cannibalistic Hulk, incestuous "miracles" and a racist Cap. Basically under Disney a 100% Ultimates MCU wouldn't exist.

I agree with the jist of what you're saying, but Disney really had nothing to do with the lack of an alcoholic Stark story. The Disney acquisition happened after IM2 had completed filming.

It was Favreau and Feige who decided not to pursue the Demon in a bottle story line. Tony getting drunk at the party is the closest they ever got to it.

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

It was Favreau and Feige who decided not to pursue the Demon in a bottle story line. Tony getting drunk at the party is the closest they ever got to it.

Yep, and it's a shame because it would have been the best storyline they could do. IM2 was lame and I thought IM3 was completely inconsequential. The Winter Soldier is the first good (and it's great) Marvel sequel in my book.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Thank God for that, the Ultimates MCU was a lame cash-grab at redoing all their characters as "edgier". It eventually imploded and died off when readers realized they were just getting the same Marvel stories as before except with A-holes instead of heroes.

LOL! ok...as much as i love the Ultimate universe, this one made me laugh!t: good one

And ms Marvel..yeah, i was really surprised. Remember, The Ultimate universe was pretty popular at time, and not only amongst fans.The effect of the Ultimate version is still being felt today in the comic world.Whenever there's a reboot of a character or a series, they always say that it's 'The Ultimate version'of such and such.

It was a pretty revolutionary idea at the time.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Getting back on topic, re-watching both The First Avenger and The Winter Soldier I like how both stories connect the dots in the MCU.

* The SRR - Shield - Hydra
* Howard Stark - Iron Man
* Cosmic Cube - Thor - The Avengers - Guardian of the Galaxy
* Super Soldier serum - The Incredible Hulk - The Winter Soldier
* technology - Stark -Zola

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Wonder how the GOTG gonna fit in

Thanos-THe Avengers-GOTG?

 

[Human Torch]

Yep, and it's a shame because it would have been the best storyline they could do. IM2 was lame and I thought IM3 was completely inconsequential. The Winter Soldier is the first good (and it's great) Marvel sequel in my book.

Eh,like RDJ said,You can't really do a superhero film when said hero spends half of it in the Betty Ford clinic.Apart from the Drunk Tony vs War Machine scene,Iron Man was enough of a non factor for the middle of that film for it to drag somewhat.

Demon in a Bottle might work in an Iron Man tv series,I guess.

 

[scatterax]

They could have had war machine take over the middle act like he did in the comics. Only as war machine and not iron man. The villain already had a personal vendetta against stark so it would have easy to get him to suit up again for the third act and team up with Rhodes.

 

[-Arya-]

Just saw this tonight. Very entertaining, if at times a little formulaic in its plot (especially towards the end). Still, it sits comfortably as my favorite Marvel film.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could have had war machine take over the middle act like he did in the comics. Only as war machine and not iron man. The villain already had a personal vendetta against stark so it would have easy to get him to suit up again for the third act and team up with Rhodes.

Not in the Demon in a Bottle storyline he didn't. Rhodey took over as IM during Stark's second bout with alcohol when his nemesis was Obadiah Stane.

The DIAB story specifically referred to issues 120-128 of Iron Man, when Stark first encountered the bottle. If they had followed that story, it would have actually been pretty cool: Iron Man framed for murder, his armour manipulated by Justin Hammer, Stark turning to the bottle. The last act of DIAB couldn't follow the comics though as the movie would require a spectacular battle. They would probably have to switch issues 128 and 127 around and make 127 the climax.

They still could have used Whiplash though, as he did feature in that story, along with Blizzard and the Melter, and Hammer's super army of costumed baddies.

It would've been great to see IM battling those 3 goons in a casino in Atlantic City, getting combat training from Cap, and then going on a mission to Monaco and battling the super army on Hammer's floating villa.

Anyway, all this would've been better post CA:TWS, which has set a much better tone for the MCU.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. Tone wise, Cap 2 is by far the MCU's most unique film. Distinctly more dark and serious in tone than most of their films.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Tih?

 

[The Caped Knight]

Tih?

The Incredible Hulk was darker, but the structure of the film was neatly put together as is The Winter Soldier storyline. However The Hulk had great action, and the story was at time good but there was also weak point in the second half before the final 3rd act showdown between Hulk vs. Abomination in Harlem . In The Winter Soldier it was solid all the way around from start to finish.