Casino Royale vs. Skyfall

[Golgo-13]

Skyfall. It just feels more like a Bond movie.

 

[spider-neil]

Skyfall was great up until the home alone ending, which somehow took me out of it. So this gives the edge to CR for me.

I agree that the third act of Skyfall hurts the movie but the movie gives you so much in the first two acts that it still has the edge over Casino Royale (imho).

 

[titansupes]

Casino Royale, easily. Watched Skyfall for the second time last night, and while there's stuff I really like (the entirety of Silva's island sequence, Silva in general, the cinematography) the thing still just feels forced and hollow to me overall.

 

[spider-neil]

The main thing for me is, Casino Royale feels like a great movie that happens to have Bond in it and Skyfall to me feels like a Bond movie.

It's like Batman Begins and TDK. TDK is a great crime drama that happens to have Batman whilst Batman Begins feels like a Batman movie.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The main thing for me is, Casino Royale feels like a great movie that happens to have Bond in it and Skyfall to me feels like a Bond movie.

It's like Batman Begins and TDK. TDK is a great crime drama that happens to have Batman whilst Batman Begins feels like a Batman movie.

I'm not a fan of that reasoning. A good movie is a good movie is a good movie.

A great movie with Bond=Great Bond movie a great movie with Batman=Great Batman movie.

This supposed frameworks that have be around certain characters limits the potential we have see those characters in new situations.

Look at how bogged down Brosnan came with having to fulfill the "idea of Bond" as his films went on.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm not a fan of that reasoning. A good movie is a good movie is a good movie.

A great movie with Bond=Great Bond movie a great movie with Batman=Great Batman movie.

This supposed frameworks that have be around certain characters limits the potential we have see those characters in new situations.

Look at how bogged down Brosnan came with having to fulfill the "idea of Bond" as his films went on.

It's all about expectations and when I go into a Bond movie I go in with expectations of what I am going to see and to be fair, the franchise has had 50 years to ingrain the iconography on the minds of the masses.

It's true though, a great movie is able to break free of those expectations but it has to be good or else I am going to complain the movie strayed too far away from what makes Bond a good movie.

It's also worth noting that Bond went 'gritty' decades ago with Dalton's take on the character and I absolutely love Licence to Kill.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

i said casino royale.

Skyfall was great, but felt a little too dark knight for me.

All three craigs are the top three bonds in my opinion.

 

[DyeLorean]

Easily Casino Royale for me. That movie is practically flawless. So good.
Skyfall wasn't as fun, and the third act... mmm. I still like it, it has many good things. And the pre-credits sequence is absolutely amazing.

 

[Schlosser85]

I prefer Skyfall overall....more of an epic feel, more of a "Bond" feel, Q, Moneypenny, Judi Dench's best movie as M and a great swan song for her after 17 years, and Silva is a much stronger villain than Le Chiffre. I really enjoy Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, and Ben Whishaw.

I do prefer some aspects of Casino Royale though. Vesper is one of the all-time best Bond love interests (and one of the few who can be called a legitimate love interest and not just a conquest), and Casino Royale has better action apart from Skyfall's opening chase sequence, which is awesome.

Skyfall has a much better and much more classic Bond opening theme song.

 

[batman1]

I just like how they finally portay Bond as the lunatic drunk, druggie, murderer, party animal he really is. The other movies put that in the background unless you read the books. With Daniel Craig you understand bond is hardcore and he just happens to be raised with manners instead of in a trailer park.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm not a fan of that reasoning. A good movie is a good movie is a good movie.

A great movie with Bond=Great Bond movie a great movie with Batman=Great Batman movie.

This supposed frameworks that have be around certain characters limits the potential we have see those characters in new situations.

Look at how bogged down Brosnan came with having to fulfill the "idea of Bond" as his films went on.

I agree entirely.

 

[flickchick85]

I prefer Skyfall overall....more of an epic feel, more of a "Bond" feel, Q, Moneypenny, Judi Dench's best movie as M and a great swan song for her after 17 years, and Silva is a much stronger villain than Le Chiffre. I really enjoy Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, and Ben Whishaw.

I do prefer some aspects of Casino Royale though. Vesper is one of the all-time best Bond love interests (and one of the few who can be called a legitimate love interest and not just a conquest), and Casino Royale has better action apart from Skyfall's opening chase sequence, which is awesome.

Skyfall has a much better and much more classic Bond opening theme song.

Agreed on all counts.

 

[Mysteryman]

I am firmly in the Skyfall Camp.

 

[DigificWriter]

I voted for Quantum of Solace being the best of Craig's films so far because it is. It's better than Skyfall by several orders of magnitude and just slightly better than Casino Royale.

Skyfall is seriously one of the most overrated movies I've seen, ever, and has more holes in its story than a block of Swiss cheese.

 

[spider-neil]

I voted for Quantum of Solace being the best of Craig's films so far because it is.

Say whattttttttttttttt!

 

[spider-neil]

I prefer Skyfall overall....more of an epic feel, more of a "Bond" feel, Q, Moneypenny, Judi Dench's best movie as M and a great swan song for her after 17 years, and Silva is a much stronger villain than Le Chiffre. I really enjoy Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, and Ben Whishaw.

I do prefer some aspects of Casino Royale though. Vesper is one of the all-time best Bond love interests (and one of the few who can be called a legitimate love interest and not just a conquest), and Casino Royale has better action apart from Skyfall's opening chase sequence, which is awesome.

Skyfall has a much better and much more classic Bond opening theme song.

Agree with all of that. I will also add I think CR has a better climax

Opening song - Skyfall
Opening action - tie (can't separate them)
Villain - Skyfall
Cinematography - Skyfall
Bond girl - CR (unless you say the Bond girl in Skyfall is 'M' in which case Skyfall has the better Bond girl)
Car - Skyfall (classic Aston Martin)
Locations - Skyfall
Climax - CR

 

[DigificWriter]

Say whattttttttttttttt!

Quantum took everything that was great about Casino Royale and amped it up several notches, and re-introduced some of the more classic Bond elements such as humor and over-the-top villainy, but did so in a way that worked within the context of what had been established in CR.

Skyfall, on the other hand, has a villain who was about two steps away from parody in Silva, a plot that falls apart after the first 30 minutes or so and never really recovers, and an utterly pointless Bond Girl in Severine. There is some good stuff in it, such as the interplay between Bond and M, Bond and Moneypenny, Bond and Q, Bond and Mallory, and M and Mallory, but, on the whole, the movie doesn't come anywhere close to living up to the hype that surrounded it.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I voted for Quantum of Solace being the best of Craig's films so far because it is. It's better than Skyfall by several orders of magnitude and just slightly better than Casino Royale.

 

[Zantera]

Casino Royale is definitely the better movie, but Skyfall is a pretty great one as well. I'd say Casino Royale is the best Bond movie overall, Skyfall is probably nr5 or 6.

 

[Lord]

It's all about expectations and when I go into a Bond movie I go in with expectations of what I am going to see and to be fair, the franchise has had 50 years to ingrain the iconography on the minds of the masses.

It's true though, a great movie is able to break free of those expectations but it has to be good or else I am going to complain the movie strayed too far away from what makes Bond a good movie.

It's also worth noting that Bond went 'gritty' decades ago with Dalton's take on the character and I absolutely love Licence to Kill.

What makes Skyfall more of a Bond film than Casino Royale though? To me, Skyfall felt more like The Dark Knight than a bond film, Royale screamed Ian Fleming, from the various locations, to a bit more psychological insight on Bond, to a smaller interconnected story in the first act, to more scenes of Bond just living the high class life, etc.

Probably has to do with Casino being based on a Fleming novel. To be honest, my favorite Bond films aren't exactly the ones that "scream classic Bond troupes", Goldfinger for example is looked at as the best of classic Bond, but to me it came very close to being meh, and the Director almost ruined the franchise with 3 of the worst 007 films. From Russia With Love was much superior IMAO, that one along with On Her Majesty's Secret Service were the best of classic Spectre era, yet, they didn't realy follow the classic formula as closely. To me, James Bonds don't realy have a formula aside from: Actions, Exotic Locations, Cars and interesting Women.

When it comes to Casino Royale vs Skyfall, my opinion has fluctuated greatly over the years, on one hand, much of Skyfall's plot doesn't make much sense and is forced, on the other, Royale's plot gets very hard to follow.

Have yet to watch SPECTRE, but i'm disappointed they keep trying to explain Bond's origins, if Craig has another film to go, they should hire Martin Campbell, he has resurrected the franchise 2 times and seems to get what a James Bond film needs to be at the time it's being released.

 

[Micromind]

Casino Royale.

 

[Consona]

Casino Royale, to me the best Bond film and one of my favorite action films of all time.

I really disliked Skyfall, it felt like an empty boring TDK rip-off.