Casino Royale vs. Skyfall

[Slushy]

Overall, Casino Royale would be better than Skyfall, but Bardem did such a great job. He MADE that movie trump Craig's first.

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Purvis and Wade?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Regardless of what you think of brosnan you have to give him credit for keeping bond relevant in the 90's and post cold war world.

Dalton was never particularly popular with audiences and i don't think he would have had the success of brosnan in the 90's. I think it was fitting that we got a new bond for a new world and brosnan was a good example of that 90's action style.

You can argue the same i suppose about craig in the now post 9/11 world and the new breed of action stars now.

Craig though is just perfect at what he is attempting. If you simply judge the actors on their acting, Brosnan is battling Moore for worst Bond. Yes, worse then Lazenby, who was able to fight with the best of them and had the most heartfelt Bond scene before Craig showed up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I struggle to think of a villain better than Alec.

The Jok... I mean Silva.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Craig though is just perfect at what he is attempting. If you simply judge the actors on their acting, Brosnan is battling Moore for worst Bond. Yes, worse then Lazenby, who was able to fight with the best of them and had the most heartfelt Bond scene before Craig showed up.

The Laz would have been awesome if he had more time in the role

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

And then Woo copied it for MI2.

But made it much better. Considering how many people he's influenced, I don't begrudge him for riffing on a GoldenEye cheapie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Laz would have been awesome if he had more time in the role

I still don't quite get the backlash. Probably simply about following Connery who was pretty bad in his last three outings as Bond. I was ready to dislike him when I finally saw OHMSS, but I thought he did pretty well. At least unlike Brosnan he could actually appear tough. I agree given time he could have been great.

 

[Gianakin_]

But made it much better. Considering how many people he's influenced, I don't begrudge him for riffing on a GoldenEye cheapie.

I used to love it, but too much slomo ruined it for me the last time I saw it. The entire movie was ridden with it. Zack who?

 

[Gianakin_]

I still don't quite get the backlash. Probably simply about following Connery who was pretty bad in his last three outings as Bond. I was ready to dislike him when I finally saw OHMSS, but I thought he did pretty well. At least unlike Brosnan he could actually appear tough. I agree given time he could have been great.

He was uber-awkward at first, but there are particular shots of him where he wears that threatening stare (when he's holding that thug down after the ski chase, glaring at him not to make a sound and betray their position) or that dry face (when he slaps Tracy) that Sean would never have achieved. And, of course, the emotion.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

QoS is easily better then all the Moore films imo. The best Moore film being TSWLM, which I'd say is a mediocre film at best.

To me, absolutely not and I'm just going to leave it there for me.

It hasnt aged well imo. The 90s aesthetic, the jack ryan plot, leg chocking lady, that annoying computer hacker character, and the borderline awful score.

I'd defend it, but honestly I'd rather just get back on topic and bring this to another Bond thread.


What do you guys think of the scores for both movies.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Craig though is just perfect at what he is attempting. If you simply judge the actors on their acting, Brosnan is battling Moore for worst Bond. Yes, worse then Lazenby, who was able to fight with the best of them and had the most heartfelt Bond scene before Craig showed up.

Yeah i agree, i'm not a big brosnan fan but you can say he was needed to save the bond franchise. I think a lot of people were predicting the end of the series during those long 6 years following an unsuccessful film and the end of the cold war during that time.

There needed to be the bright mainstream "safe star" to get people into bond again. You can say brosnan was the hero bond deserved but not the one it needs now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To me, absolutely not and I'm just going to leave it there for me.



I'd defend it, but honestly I'd rather just get back on topic and bring this to another Bond thread.


What do you guys think of the scores for both movies.

Is it the chickens? Or perhaps Jaws exiting a house after crashing his car into like nothing happened? No, must be the rocket sidecar. t:

 

[Gianakin_]

What do you guys think of the scores for both movies.

Another area where they're tied for me.

 

[Gianakin_]

Is it the chickens? Or perhaps Jaws exiting a house after crashing his car into like nothing happened? No, must be the rocket sidecar. t:

Shut up! It was fan! And traditional! And epic! And full circle!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Shut up! It was fan! And traditional! And epic! And full circle!

And a mediocre film at best.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

One last thing about Brosnan though. It irks me when people say that Goldeneye is only remembered because of the game. I find it ignorant when people say that because they forget that Goldeneye was a hit movie that, like Casino Royale did in the 00s, got people into Bond again. Plus, the game was released 2 years after the movie so it had nothing to do with movies success in 95'.

 

[Octoberist]

But it had great set designs!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not feeling the score for Skyfall. It was either distracting or forgettable. The only time I thought the music worked truly worked was the when they used the Bond theme.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But it had great set designs!

They maybe terrible jokes, but damnit are they pretty.

One last thing about Brosnan though. It irks me when people say that Goldeneye is only remembered because of the game. I find it ignorant when people say that because they forget that Goldeneye was a hit movie that, like Casino Royale did in the 00s, got people into Bond again. Plus, the game was released 2 years after the movie so it had nothing to do with movies success in 95'.

You would be hard pressed to find many people that mention GoldenEye the film without mentioning the game.

 

[Octoberist]

I love the score for Skyfall. especially the part when Bond is arriving to that Floating Casino in Macao with Newman's rendition of Adele's title song.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That scene after Lazenby has been chased down the mountain by Blofeld's men and he just sits and watches the feet of people as they pass by. The absolutely beaten look on Lazenby's face is just perfect.

 

[Gianakin_]

One last thing about Brosnan though. It irks me when people say that Goldeneye is only remembered because of the game. I find it ignorant when people say that because they forget that Goldeneye was a hit movie that, like Casino Royale did in the 00s, got people into Bond again. Plus, the game was released 2 years after the movie so it had nothing to do with movies success in 95'.

Agreed.

 

[Roose Bolton]

And a mediocre film at best.

You're a mediocre film.

 

[Gianakin_]

That scene after Lazenby has been chased down the mountain by Blofeld's men and he just sits and watches the feet of people as they pass by. The absolutely beaten look on Lazenby's face is just perfect.

EXACTLY the scene I was trying to describe but failed to do so properly.