Characters damaged beyond repair?

[mybotisgone]

I was just thinking what characters in Civil War did Marvel with the help of Mark Millar did so much damage to that there may no way to fix. Here's my list.

Captain America- Wussing out on a fight like that.

Iron Man- Lets face it. Cloning Thor killing friends the list goes on and on.

Reed Richards- Man, Mark Millar has turned him into such as a$$ was a way give Stand Lee an F you. He almost has the same list as Iron Man.

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

Spider-Man- With his ID out in the world and Unmasked not being good and hearing future story arcs from Joe Quesada is not making me hopeful at all.

The citizens of New York- What can I say they tried to tackling Captain America. And they want to fight for Iron Man. Mark thanks for making citizens of New York look like idiots.

 

[ScarletSpider]

Cap didn't wuss out of anything, he won the fight, he just come to the realisation that what they were doing is wrong.

I'm not saying the pro-reg site was right, I'm just talking about a war between the good guys, taking each other down and half of New York with them.

I thought Cap putting the end to the battle the way he did was heartbreaking stuff, and he walked away the bigger man by doing so.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think any of them are damaged beyond repair, especially since the near-unanimous consensus is that Millar wrote most of them out of character. Reed's had the most damage done to him in CW, but even he'll be fine whenever he and Sue return to the Fantastic Four, provided they get a good writer. People will eventually forget his ******ed totalitarian bent in CW and embrace him as the good-natured, scatterbrained super-genius and neglectful husband and father we all know and love again.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Black Goliath :

 

[The Geek Vault]

I'd say Reed is pretty bent out of shape as in character wise. Also I know that this isn't the subject. But Hercules was def. improved a lot in CW

 

[Tropico]

Practically anything can be forgotten if the characters have a good writer.

Unless you're married to the Wasp and you beat her up. Once is enough.
Or...
If you have sex with the Juggernaut.
Or...
If you're last words before dying are "Not like this, not like THIS!".

 

[Kevin]

Practically anything can be forgotten if the characters have a good writer.

Unless you're married to the Wasp and you beat her up. Once is enough.
Or...
If you have sex with the Juggernaut.
Or...
If you're last words before dying are "Not like this, not like THIS!".

Heh

Haha

Hahahah!

 

[Specter313]

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

This one I have to disagree with, because she at least acted like she still had emotions later when she felt bad about going that far.

 

[CBK]

Mybotisgone is right.. I havent looked at Cap the same since..i havent even wored my Cap shirts..after that totally wuss out in civil war 7 he just totally destroyed Steve Rogers. it will be hard to over come CW:7

 

[Xofenroht]

Does anyone remember how Cap thought the bravest thing you could possibly do was admit when you're wrong?

 

[Dread]

Mr. Fantastic and most of the A-Listers got written terribly, but "Penace" in a way got off worse than all of them. Hard to go back when you become a masochistic psychopath who teams with vicious killers like Venom, Osborn, and Bullseye. He makes the guy from SAW look sane now.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Captain America is not just about fighting a cause. He represents Good Conscience above all, and that's why he's the most respected superhero in the Marvel universe. So, Cap reputation is not tarnished at all. He's more respected than ever before because he puts the safety of the people above all even though he's winning the fight.Iron Man and Reed take the most damaging bullets in CW, but not beyond repair. If Marvel plays his card right, Reed should recover his dignity by cleaning up the mess he makes on his family. Iron Man could achieve greatness by realizing the wrong he has done, and correct the government policy from the inside. After all Iron Man is the main man after the Civil War, and I take it Marvel wants to groom him as the most important character in 2008. That is, after getting severe beatings by Hulk, Namor, Nova, and She-Hulk.

 

[Artistsean]

I think that Iron Man had the worst treatment. I mean he is really the only bad guy in the whole comic. They made him almost unlikable, and he has a movie coming out soon.

Captain America, I could see him stopping the fight and saving civilians. Not because he thought he was wrong, but just to save lifes. But what is out of character is that he thinks he is suddenly wrong,

What is also out of character is Cap taking the fight, or letting it get taken, to the street and putting innocent people in danger.

 

[BrianWilly]

Black Goliath :

Hah!

Mr. Fantastic and most of the A-Listers got written terribly, but "Penace" in a way got off worse than all of them. Hard to go back when you become a masochistic psychopath who teams with vicious killers like Venom, Osborn, and Bullseye. He makes the guy from SAW look sane now.

 

[Kevin]

CW and everything leading up to it made me like Iron man even more than I already did.

 

[Kotagg]

Same. I have more respect for him than anyone else in the MU now.

I'd go so far as to say that no one was damaged at all, much less "beyond repair." The character development was great; we now have dualistic characters, not paper-thin comic characters.

 

[Artistsean]

I sort of liked the paper thin comic characters. I mean they weren't paper thin comic characters but they weren't super intense and "real" like they were in Civil War. I liked how they were all noble heroes and very heroic.

 

[Artistsean]

double post, ooops.

 

[Artistsean]

triple post, sorry. Don't remember doing that though.

 

[mybotisgone]

You the funny part is that none of you said anything about The citizens of New York on my list.

 

[Kevin]

You the funny part is that none of you said anything about The citizens of New York on my list.

I rather not even talk about them. That final part with them grabbing him makes it look like he lost control.

 

[Sloth7d]

This one I have to disagree with, because she at least acted like she still had emotions later when she felt bad about going that far.

Thats what I was thinking. Ms.Marvel has always been like this. Civil war had nothing to do with it.

 

[Sloth7d]

I think that Iron Man had the worst treatment. I mean he is really the only bad guy in the whole comic. They made him almost unlikable, and he has a movie coming out soon.

Captain America, I could see him stopping the fight and saving civilians. Not because he thought he was wrong, but just to save lifes. But what is out of character is that he thinks he is suddenly wrong,

What is also out of character is Cap taking the fight, or letting it get taken, to the street and putting innocent people in danger.

I don't think he admitted he was wrong. He more or so said the way he was going about it was wrong.
Can't blame him for that though. I can't understand how killing people will make a law go away.
I can blame him, though, for not trying again, but better this time. Instead he gave up. He fell off his horse and didn't want to get back on. That dissapointed me extremely.

 

[BrianWilly]

The Marvel universe has been horribly damaged. Beyond repair? Well, it survived the 90s. Possibly it can survive this.

 

[chiefchirpa]

CW and everything leading up to it made me like Iron man even more than I already did.

Yeah, because he's now the most influential superhero in the Marvel universe now. But I think he's still depicted as coldhearted pragmatist (evil) whose effectivity of his action is still in question.

Marvel writters call him "Futurist" but he ain't Nostradamus as (I believe) the registration plan will go down the drain eventually.