Comics Charles Xavier vs Emma Frost and Scott Summers - Let the Headmaster Debate Begin

[Valechan]

The recent scene between Surge and Xavier got me thinking... are Summers and Frost fit to be Headmasters of Xavier's School??? Let's compare track records, shall we? Emma Frost and Summers got 45 students killed under their watch. Xavier got... 0 students dead under his watch (t-bird wasn't a student, cypher died when he wasn't headmaster). So... are Summers and Frost fit to remain as co-Headmasters? Me thinks NOT

 

[Havok83]

Um are we forgetting the Deadly Genesis kids? I wouldnt sat Scott and Emma got the recent students killed. That wasnt really soemthing they could have prevented as they were trying to get those children away from the school, which did make the most sense. I may not always like them but I think they are good headmasters. Xavier is defiently the best and would be teh better choice but theres nothing wrong with Scott and Emma there

 

[Slim]

Emma didn't try to make everyone forget that there were students that were killed. Might be beyond her powers, but still.

At first I didn't really trust Emma as headmistress... but now I do. She's had to make some really hard choices... I don't think they should be judged by that buss exploding and kids dieing.

I think Scott is more than capable of running the school. I like seeing the first X-man ever run the school. It's a perfect progression for his character. And I would love to see Jean running it with him. But I'm fine with Emma.

I do miss Xavier being headmaster, but I'm fine with seeing Emma and Scott running it. I would like to see Xavier in a position where he isn't the headmaster, but still closely involved with the school somehow.

I think Xavier was better, but it's not like Emma and Scott are horrible.

 

[Brand]

Also, keep in mind that Scott and Emma are running a school, not training a team of superheroes. If Xavier had been forced to deal with a large number of vulnerable students in his care all the years of his headmastership (Is that a word? Whatever, we'll run with it anyway.) the body count of the Xavier Institute would probably have made House of M unnecessary - mutants would already be an endangered species without the need for any magical mumbo-jumbo. t:

 

[Havok83]

Emma didn't try to make everyone forget that there were students that were killed. Might be beyond her powers, but still.

Xavier didnt make everyone forget about those students. He only made one person and that was Scott. Besides Emma has used her powers to alter and influence her students actions and thoughts in the past. It's not above her.

I think Xavier was better, but it's not like Emma and Scott are horrible.

I defiently agree with this statement

 

[Slant]

Also, keep in mind that Scott and Emma are running a school, not training a team of superheroes. If Xavier had been forced to deal with a large number of vulnerable students in his care all the years of his headmastership (Is that a word? Whatever, we'll run with it anyway.) the body count of the Xavier Institute would probably have made House of M unnecessary - mutants would already be an endangered species without the need for any magical mumbo-jumbo. t:

Yeah, people tend to think that the "School" has always been such, when for the most part, it was just Xavier and a dozen or so X Men at the most. No brats.

 

[Slim]

Xavier didnt make everyone forget about those students. He only made one person and that was Scott. Besides Emma has used her powers to alter and influence her students actions and thoughts in the past. It's not above her.

I know. I was just joking. But still, Emma hasn't done anything that morally questionable during her rule. Has she? And I just don't think Emma could make everyone forget about those studenst that died. That's the whole faculty, the remaining students, and the victems families. I think it might be a little above her.

 

[Havok83]

I know. I was just joking. But still, Emma hasn't done anything that morally questionable during her rule. Has she? And I just don't think Emma could make everyone forget about those studenst that died. That's the whole faculty, the remaining students, and the victems families. I think it might be a little above her.

well maybe not her current administration, but one could question her ethics when she taught the Hellions. She was ruthless and was training with bad morals. Most of them would be villians today had they either have not been killed off or gotten away from her. Look at what she did with Firestar. She nearly messed her up and had her be the HFC's own personal assasin in training. I think what Emma did with the Hellions was worse than Xavier wiping a part of Scott's memory away

 

[Valechan]

The Deadly Gen kids weren't HIS students, they were Moira's

 

[UraniaChang]

Ah, most of those kids are created to be killed to be served as some drama, doesn't matter who is the headmaster, That's what happened when the writers create too many characters for one title, so I think they both do well enough considering how many attacks they have to stop on a daily basis.

Of course, the best arrangement is for Scott in charge of the field and Charles of the school, but if he still keeps trying to go around his problem instead of working things out he won't get back to that position, and that's no one's but his own fault.

I think what Emma did with the Hellions was worse than Xavier wiping a part of Scott's memory away

Yes, but Emma is always questionable when it comes to ethics, and Scott and Charles's relationship is far deeper than Emma and Hellions' imo.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Before the writing with Uncanny went into the gutter,Cyclops and Phoenix were ready to take over leading the school when Professor X died.

 

[Havok83]

Before the writing with Uncanny went into the gutter,Cyclops and Phoenix were ready to take over leading the school when Professor X died.

they did take charge of teh school in New X-men. Jean was headmistress while Xavier (C. Nova) left for space

 

[Harlekin]

Xavier has never actually been much of a headmaster. The original five were really his only students. If Thunderbird doesn't count, then neither do all the other X-Men, which means that Xavier 'headmastered' all of five people. Even his track record as leader of the X-Men is spotty at best, being absent pretty much 80% of the time.

 

[Havok83]

Xavier has never actually been much of a headmaster. The original five were really his only students. If Thunderbird doesn't count, then neither do all the other X-Men, which means that Xavier 'headmastered' all of five people. Even his track record as leader of the X-Men is spotty at best, being absent pretty much 80% of the time.

um, I think you are forgetting the New Mutants. And he had more students than just the original 5 before the Giant Size X-men team came along. Mimic, Polaris and Havok, you know

 

[Harlekin]

Mimic, Polaris and Havok weren't really students. He actually taught the original five, as one would expect a school for that matter.

You're right on the New Mutants, although he formed them while under command of the Brood Queen and left them after a relatively short time.

 

[Havok83]

Mimic, Polaris and Havok weren't really students. He actually taught the original five, as one would expect a school for that matter.

You're right on the New Mutants, although he formed them while under command of the Brood Queen and left them after a relatively short time.

He did teach Polaris and Havok. We didnt see much of it as X-men was cancelled pretty soon after they were arrived, and there was a huge gap between that and GSX, but we did see a small bit of it in Hidden Years. Xavier did also teach Mimic as he transferred from Metro College to teh Xavier School, and UXM 29 depicts Xavier giving him some lessons. Granted he only stayed there a relatively short time, he still was being taught during that short period

 

[Harlekin]

Ah, yes. The amount of students under his care still don't compare to those under Cycke's and Emma's.

 

[Havok83]

Ah, yes. The amount of students under his care still don't compare to those under Cycke's and Emma's.

true but then again Scott and Emma have alot more help than Xavier did. Pretty much most of the X-men had squads which they overlooked, not too mention other staff members who werent X-men who also taught the students. Xavier pretty much did it all by himself (of course he had a smaller group to work with)

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Emma and Charles should have an affair and run away to Paris... NEVER to be seen again, leaving Scott to do the work he's been groomed for his entire adult life.

 

[Cyke'd]

Honestly i like Scott and Emma in charge because it does feel like time has progressed. I'm not one of those people that want comics to move in real time, but keeping a frozen status quo does make things stale. I think Scott and Emma should be the Head Masters but maybe have Xavier in the back ground helping out here and there. But thats only after him and Scott come to terms with the mess that is Deadly Genesis. The facts are Xavier did betray someone who trusted him completely, and as a result people died one of which being an X-man. Honestly it would be a great plot point to see the Xavier earn Scott's trust back. And I have a question since i never read Morrison's run (i quite comics for a long time since the spidey clone mess to the start of Joss's Astonishing) but before Nova outing Xavier, wasn't it a secret that the school was a place for mutants? because if it was Xavier had a much easier time because less enemies would know of the school and since then it would have painted a HUGE bull's eye on the school for people like the Stryker.

 

[Valechan]

Whenever a student becomes an "Emma Frost student" he knows he's marked for death. The Hellions have what, three survivors? Firestar, Empath and Tarot (Who's been in LIMBO since the New Hellions debacle). Some of the Gen X kids died as well, right under her nose and one was even killed by her own sister. And lastly, this "New X-Men", all slaughtered while she was in charge. Xavier never lost a student like that, and whenever he was around, the students actually learned. What has Emma Frost ever taught anyone? She once boasted before M how much psychic power she had and that one day she'll teach her, but she never did. In GenX it was Tom Corsi who taught Husk more about her powers. I can't recall a single issue where Emma is overseeing at least one student and teaching him/her about his/her powers. It's like she just likes the title "Headmistress" to sit on her desk and talk on the phone and act regal around the school. Charles actually taught his kids, from the X-Men to the New Mutants.

 

[Havok83]

Honestly i like Scott and Emma in charge because it does feel like time has progressed. I'm not one of those people that want comics to move in real time, but keeping a frozen status quo does make things stale. I think Scott and Emma should be the Head Masters but maybe have Xavier in the back ground helping out here and there. But thats only after him and Scott come to terms with the mess that is Deadly Genesis. The facts are Xavier did betray someone who trusted him completely, and as a result people died one of which being an X-man. Honestly it would be a great plot point to see the Xavier earn Scott's trust back. And I have a question since i never read Morrison's run (i quite comics for a long time since the spidey clone mess to the start of Joss's Astonishing) but before Nova outing Xavier, wasn't it a secret that the school was a place for mutants? because if it was Xavier had a much easier time because less enemies would know of the school and since then it would have painted a HUGE bull's eye on the school for people like the Stryker.

yes it was a secret that the school was a place for mutants. In X-men 31, Prof X was shocked when Jean used her TK to dance with him at her wedding bc not all of the guests were aware of their powers. Back during Seagle's run, an education inspector came to examine the school and seemed oblivious to what type of school was really being run there

As far as it being secret, bc it would be a huge bulls eye for enemies, most of the X-men's enemies knew were they were located anyway. It wasnt particularly a secret. The whole secret of it being a school for mutants were a joke, especially since several of the X-men appeared in media and everyone knew where they lived. Its not like they had secret identites or anything.

 

[Havok83]

Whenever a student becomes an "Emma Frost student" he knows he's marked for death. The Hellions have what, three survivors? Firestar, Empath and Tarot (Who's been in LIMBO since the New Hellions debacle). Some of the Gen X kids died as well, right under her nose and one was even killed by her own sister. And lastly, this "New X-Men", all slaughtered while she was in charge

you forgot about the Genosha students that were also slaughtered....lol. She had children die in 4 different groups, not that they were her fault.

Just one correction about the remaining Hellions. There are actually 5, Empath, Firestar, Tarot, Magma and Warpath. (you forgot the last two)

 

[Cyke'd]

had to check, thanks but i still stand by my opinion of liking the change.

 

[Valechan]

Magma comes into my head like a New Mutant, she was so little time with the Hellions, and Warpath just screams "X-Force" into my brain, so no wonder I forgot