Jessica Jones Charlie Cox cameo?

[XtremelyBaneful]

I knew [BLACKOUT]DD wouldn't be saving Jessica in the end, the would undercut her entire story and position as the hero. Though I would like for them to bump into each other.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]i wanted to see Matt Murdock more than daredevil. Him at the end scene or him representing Pam for murder.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Asteroid-Man]

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Matt not representing Jessica at the end was a huge missed opportunity.

 

[Random490]

[BLACKOUT]i wanted to see Matt Murdock more than daredevil. Him at the end scene or him representing Pam for murder.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I know, I was really expecting to see him and Foggy either with Pam or the Doctor that Hogarth is divorcing.[/BLACKOUT]

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Matt not representing Jessica at the end was a huge missed opportunity.

No it makes sense how it was and would just be out of left field if it was [BLACKOUT]Matt[/BLACKOUT]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

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Matt not representing Jessica at the end was a huge missed opportunity.

100% agreed. Such a disappointment.

[BLACKOUT]I know, I was really expecting to see him and Foggy either with Pam or the Doctor that Hogarth is divorcing.[/BLACKOUT]

yeah I just don't understand why they didn't think to do it

No it makes sense how it was and would just be out of left field if it was [BLACKOUT]Matt[/BLACKOUT]

not really...[blackout]they're lawyers, in Hell's Kitchen, who just got done cracking a huge case in the city[/blackout]....it would've been absolutely appropriate.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

not really...[blackout]they're lawyers, in Hell's Kitchen, who just got done cracking a huge case in the city[/blackout]....it would've been absolutely appropriate.

Exactly. Not to mention by this point in the show Jessica [blackout]didn't trust Jerri[/blackout] anymore.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Exactly. Not to mention by this point in the show Jessica [blackout]didn't trust Jerri[/blackout] anymore.

[BLACKOUT]I don't know if she distrusts Hogarth completely but she's just completely disgusted by her dishonesty and lust for power (in the legal system)[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]anyways, so there goes a crossover in Jessica jones, now maybe they'll have one in luke cage - Jessica appearing might be more likely since vice versa versa has already occurred, but I feel like it would've made more sense to have him show up in jj. Oh well.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Random490]

[BLACKOUT]I don't know if she distrusts Hogarth completely but she's just completely disgusted by her dishonesty and lust for power (in the legal system)[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Exactly, plus now she has Hogarth indebted to her for pro bono legal work who has intimate knowledge of Kilgrave and the situation. It would be stupid of her to turn down the best lawyer in the city, for two completely unknown lawyers from no where.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Mike Murdock]

They won a murder trial. That's not nothing.

 

[Random490]

They won a murder trial. That's not nothing.

A murder trial, and they didn't win they just got a hung jury. Plus it was more due to a prosecutor's lack of evidence than their amazing skills as lawyers. Furthermore [BLACKOUT] there's no way Jessica would know about that and nothing to compel her to choose two unknowns than the top, highly successful, highly resourceful lawyer who would represent her for free. To not choose Hogarth would just not make any sense in the context of Jessica and her series. Otherwise it would just be a leap in logic for an unnecessary cameo. And there's plenty of opportunity for crossover with The Defenders you don't need to shoehorn Matt in every situation with a lawyer.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Asteroid-Man]

A murder trial, and they didn't win they just got a hung jury. Plus it was more due to a prosecutor's lack of evidence than their amazing skills as lawyers. Furthermore [BLACKOUT] there's no way Jessica would know about that and nothing to compel her to choose two unknowns than the top, highly successful, highly resourceful lawyer who would represent her for free. To not choose Hogarth would just not make any sense in the context of Jessica and her series. Otherwise it would just be a leap in logic for an unnecessary cameo. And there's plenty of opportunity for crossover with The Defenders you don't need to shoehorn Matt in every situation with a lawyer.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Whether or not she would have hired Nelson and Murdock is one thing, but her re-hiring Jerri is NOT logical either. She proved time and time again that she can't be trusted and doesn't act in the best interest of her clients at all. For Jessica to do that, it's just completely stupid.

Also Night Nurse could have easily recommended Murdock to her. Remember, it's a show - if the writers wanted, they could've written the show to go either way, and frankly the way they went about bringing Jerri back, ESPECIALLY after the last few episodes, was completely ridiculous.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Mike Murdock]

A murder trial, and they didn't win they just got a hung jury. Plus it was more due to a prosecutor's lack of evidence than their amazing skills as lawyers. Furthermore [BLACKOUT] there's no way Jessica would know about that and nothing to compel her to choose two unknowns than the top, highly successful, highly resourceful lawyer who would represent her for free. To not choose Hogarth would just not make any sense in the context of Jessica and her series. Otherwise it would just be a leap in logic for an unnecessary cameo. And there's plenty of opportunity for crossover with The Defenders you don't need to shoehorn Matt in every situation with a lawyer.[/BLACKOUT]

I agree with that latter point, I'm just saying that it's not nothing. In fact, it's the kind of thing that would certainly get a lot of buzz in legal circles.

 

[Drizzle]

I can't believe so many people were disappointed that [BLACKOUT]Murdock/DD didn't show up. They have to save some stuff for Defenders.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

[BLACKOUT]Exactly, plus now she has Hogarth indebted to her for pro bono legal work who has intimate knowledge of Kilgrave and the situation. It would be stupid of her to turn down the best lawyer in the city, for two completely unknown lawyers from no where.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]they're not two completely unknown lawyers from nowehre. they're two lawyers from hell's kitchen who just got done cracking a huge case. I don't know why i've had to repeat myself to you so many times. so jessica most certainly did not need hogarth to represent her and if anything, it comes off as left field to me for her to be there after everything hogarth did. what would've made sense, would be that jessica cut ties with her because of what she did. she is the reason hope died.[/BLACKOUT]

A murder trial, and they didn't win they just got a hung jury. Plus it was more due to a prosecutor's lack of evidence than their amazing skills as lawyers. Furthermore [BLACKOUT] there's no way Jessica would know about that and nothing to compel her to choose two unknowns than the top, highly successful, highly resourceful lawyer who would represent her for free. To not choose Hogarth would just not make any sense in the context of Jessica and her series. Otherwise it would just be a leap in logic for an unnecessary cameo. And there's plenty of opportunity for crossover with The Defenders you don't need to shoehorn Matt in every situation with a lawyer.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]They also were the lawyers who exposed wilson fisk for the kingpin that he was, so they were probably all over the news for at least that. and all things considered (the fact that they both live in hell's kitchen, and that jessica met claire, and that all this stuff about kilgrave probably came to matt's attention, and that both pam & jessica needed lawyers, nelson & murdock showing up at the end would've been appropriate, and not a shoehorn.[/BLACKOUT]

I can't believe so many people were disappointed that [BLACKOUT]Murdock/DD didn't show up. They have to save some stuff for Defenders.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]well, the fruition of avengers didn't stop tony stark from having a cameo in tih (which was the first followup film in the mcu after iron man), or bruce banner having a cameo in im3, and it sure as hell isn't stopping iron man from having a major role in cap3.[/BLACKOUT]

[blackout]and last but not least, matt murdock was involved in the alias storyline, i'm pretty sure[/blackout]

 

[Deserana]

It was very odd to almost have no mention of Matt/Daredevil in the whole show especially if this followed the events of Daredevil. I thought at least the fallout of the events of the show would have been referenced especially as it takes part in the same city.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It was very odd to almost have no mention of Matt/Daredevil in the whole show especially if this followed the events of Daredevil. I thought at least the fallout of the events of the show would have been referenced especially as it takes part in the same city.

it was especially annoying given

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[Random490]

[BLACKOUT]they're not two completely unknown lawyers from nowehre. they're two lawyers from hell's kitchen who just got done cracking a huge case. I don't know why i've had to repeat myself to you so many times. so jessica most certainly did not need hogarth to represent her and if anything, it comes off as left field to me for her to be there after everything hogarth did. what would've made sense, would be that jessica cut ties with her because of what she did. she is the reason hope died.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]They also were the lawyers who exposed wilson fisk for the kingpin that he was, so they were probably all over the news for at least that. and all things considered (the fact that they both live in hell's kitchen, and that jessica met claire, and that all this stuff about kilgrave probably came to matt's attention, and that both pam & jessica needed lawyers, nelson & murdock showing up at the end would've been appropriate, and not a shoehorn.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]I think you're forgetting a simple fact. NO ONE KNOWS THEY BROUGHT DOWN FISK. All there investigations and what they did to expose Fisk were off the books and not on record. No one knows they tracked down Hoffman. And just being a lawyer for a key witness doesn't make you a house hold name. Specially a witness going into witness protection program. They're not famous and they are still a struggling law firm. There's no logical reason that the first thing she says when being arrested wouldn't be "I want my lawyer" with that Lawyer being Hogarth who will represent her pro bono. Having Murdock show up with zero setup, no logical reason, and push out another main character who brings much great character development and dynamic due to her presence throughout the season would just make no sense and just be a forced cameo.

If Jessica had not told Hogarth to fight to keep her position and look past her betrayal for the betterment of Kilgrave victims then it would have made sense for her to seek other counsel. Instead Jessica had Hogarth's back and in return Horgath had her's which represents major character turning point for the two. To undercut that for a shoehorned cameo would be poor writing.

I have nothing against a cameo but it has to make sense within the confines of the narrative and not sacrifice the story.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

[BLACKOUT]I think you're forgetting a simple fact. NO ONE KNOWS THEY BROUGHT DOWN FISK. All there investigations and what they did to expose Fisk were off the books and not on record. No one knows they tracked down Hoffman. And just being a lawyer for a key witness doesn't make you a house hold name. Specially a witness going into witness protection program. They're not famous and they are still a struggling law firm. There's no logical reason that the first thing she says when being arrested wouldn't be "I want my lawyer" with that Lawyer being Hogarth who will represent her pro bono. Having Murdock show up with zero setup, no logical reason, and push out another main character who brings much great character development and dynamic due to her presence throughout the season would just make no sense and just be a forced cameo.

If Jessica had not told Hogarth to fight to keep her position and look past her betrayal for the betterment of Kilgrave victims then it would have made sense for her to seek other counsel. Instead Jessica had Hogarth's back and in return Horgath had her's which represents major character turning point for the two. To undercut that for a shoehorned cameo would be poor writing.

I have nothing against a cameo but it has to make sense within the confines of the narrative and not sacrifice the story.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]How do you know that their part in taking down Fisk wasn't public? The police obviously know about it since N&M are the ones who brought in Hoffman.

As for what you're saying about Hogarth, there was absolutely no character development on her part. She didn't seem like she had any remorse for what she had done or changed her ways, nor did she want to accept any blame or responsibility for what she had done. It would've made MORE sense for Jessica, like Pam, to not put any more faith or trust in Hogarth regardless of her rep and work with someone else.

As for you continuing to say that a cameo would be forced, first of all, Daredevil is out and about all throughout, presumably the whole JJ season. he was present in the prequel comic, look at the post above yours. Also, given the fact that he's probably less than a mile away from a lot of the stuff happening, he has to be aware of what's going on and would trace it all back to Jessica Jones.

Last but not least, once again as I've said already several times, Matt Murdock was involved in the Alias storyline in the comics. THIS would've been the perfect way to end the season finale.[/BLACKOUT]

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[Herolee10]

I'm kind of hoping that they'll at least reference some of the events of Jessica Jones in Season 2 of "Daredevil".

I still find it hard to believe, just story wise, that most of the events that took place in the present day, would have gone unnoticed by Matt.

I mean it's not like he lives in a different city and we know the guy patrols the place at night, with super hearing.

 

[gohei_]

It was very odd to almost have no mention of Matt/Daredevil in the whole show especially if this followed the events of Daredevil. I thought at least the fallout of the events of the show would have been referenced especially as it takes part in the same city.

I was fine with DD himself not being in the show but you would at least think that the bombings on the russians headquarters or the bringing down of Fisk would have been mentioned by someone in JJ.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'm kind of hoping that they'll at least reference some of the events of Jessica Jones in Season 2 of "Daredevil".

I still find it hard to believe, just story wise, that most of the events that took place in the present day, would have gone unnoticed by Matt.

I mean it's not like he lives in a different city and we know the guy patrols the place at night, with super hearing.

I was fine with DD himself not being in the show but you would at least think that the bombings on the russians headquarters or the bringing down of Fisk would have been mentioned by someone in JJ.

yep. also considering the prequel comic. I guess when disney told rosenberg that she had free reign with the series, she took it to her advantage, even though there were avengers messages. smh.

 

[Flint Marko]

A daredevil cameo wasn't necessary.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

A daredevil cameo wasn't necessary.

I'd argue that some of the sex scenes in JJ, and a Bruce Banner cameo at the end of im3, weren't necessary either. But this sure as hell was a huge missed opportunity.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'd argue that some of the sex scenes in JJ, and a Bruce Banner cameo at the end of im3, weren't necessary either. But this sure as hell was a huge missed opportunity.

Not really. A daredevil cameo would have been too much too soon. In the long run, it's smart that they are playing it slow.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Not really. A daredevil cameo would have been too much too soon. In the long run, it's smart that they are playing it slow.

Not at all. First of all, me personally, I wanted Matt Murdock more than Daredevil [BLACKOUT]and he was involved in the alias story[/BLACKOUT] and amongst other reasons stated several times in this thread already, it wasn't smart to have not taken the opportunity to have had that cameo.

 

[Flint Marko]

Not at all. First of all, me personally, I wanted Matt Murdock more than Daredevil [BLACKOUT]and he was involved in the alias story[/BLACKOUT] and amongst other reasons stated several times in this thread already, it wasn't smart to have not taken the opportunity to have had that cameo.

No, they thoroughly established Jessica's corner of the universe and they didn't give in to knee-jerk fan expectations of what some people think it should look like.
To expand on this:

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The Netflix series must have their own separation. Daredevil was a 13-hour long martial arts action flick, Jessica Jones a 13-hour long noir crime drama. Much like CBS’ Supergirl has been making a point to vocally state she does not need the help of Superman, thank you very much, just as the show does not need an appearance by Henry Cavill to stand on its own, the Netflix shows have to establish themselves as individual series on their own first before merging. Otherwise, the waters get muddied.

Jessica Jones had no problem introducing Luke Cage as a major character, because it made sense. He plays a major role in Jessica’s own story, and vice versa. But it wouldn’t have made sense to introduce Matt Murdock/Daredevil this early on in the story. A good 90% of the series was about Jessica Jones fighting to overcome her loner mentality and the idea that she didn’t want or need any help; it would have been completely incongruous to her character to have introduced Matt Murdock as an ally so early on in her formation.

It’s also a fundamental concept of brand building: If you feel a fledgling project won’t be able to stand on its own, then you call in an established audience brand favorite for the positive association. But if you know you have a good movie or series on your hands, then you establish it as a completely individual entity that can generate a new fanbase in its own right – at least at first.

Personally, I like that Claire Temple only showed up in the last episode. I like that Daredevil was never mentioned by name (understandable; Claire keeps his secrets), and that he was never mentioned at all until that last episode. It gave me a little thrill and I found myself grinning at his mention. The scene was used much in the way post-credits scenes are used at the end of the Marvel movies. Never the main point of the films, they instead just give audiences a hint of what’s to come and build anticipation.

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