Christopher Nolan's Inception

[Poeman]

I don't know if I should ask this in here due to a possible bias but how well does the Inception soundtrack hold up just listening to it outside of the film? For me a lot of film soundtracks are great when watching the film but listening to the actual album just doesn't work for me at times. For those that also liked the soundtracks to BB and TDK, how would you rate it alongside those?

There are a couple of soundtracks from BB and TDK I still listen to on my IPOD. There are 3 or 4 I will continue to listen to on Inception...I listed them above...These dont seem bombastic and crazy...which usually turns me off...Although the occasional BRRRNNN enhances the music in certain soundtracks.

 

[Heretic]

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"It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world." No, it states that the TARGET populates the dream. Look at the cafe scene. They were in Ariadne's dream, but Cobb was populating it.

Spoiler

And in the cafe world, the dreamer and the target were the same guy, right??

Look at it this way (which you absolutely wont):

When the technology was invented, it was not supposed to even have a target!!! When Cobb was trained he was trained to be a guy that explores the shared dream world, maybe some free time fun...it was NOT INTENDED to EVER have a target. therefore...the Target can not possibly be the only person who populates a dream. When Leo is doing it alone, who is the target? No one...yet he can populate it. When those addicts get together to dream, who is target? NO ONE.

So, despite what the movie says, the target is not the only one who can populate a dream. There arent even supposed to be targets.

The reason why targets are the ones who populate the dream is because if someone else did then the target would be clued in to the fact that they have been abducted and are part of a forced shared dreamworld.

The Dreamer CAN DO IT. It happened in the movie!!!

 

[Frodo]

edit: Sorry Spider-neil, I was catching up on the pages and should have known people would have already commented on this specific post of yours.

Over the years i've seen numerous heist films and to be honest, I don't remember the majority of them giving much of the supporting cast character development either. Usually it focuses it's story or any background info on the leader and maybe someone else really close to him.

I'm not saying that that means people have to let that criticism slide but a lot of the critics who also didn't like the supporting characters not having development either haven't seen many heist films of the past or it's just been that long and they can't remember. Yes, the movie could have been that much better if they were given more development but this film was mainly about Cobb's journey to get back to his kids.

As for your example with The Matrix showing instead of telling, that's not accurate. For most of the scenes where Neo was learning, he had Morpheus there to verbally explain everything. That specific scene you pointed out, right after Neo looks back and it's an agent about to fire his gun, Morpheus tells them to freeze the program and then begins to explain it all to Neo...and the viewers of course. "Inside the Matrix, they are everyone and they are no one".

I agree. I think people need to go back and rewatch the Matrix because most of the film is talking and explaining. Now there could be an arguement made about which film had the better execution of the exposition, or of which film had better pacing, but both films combined explanation with character development of the lead pretty well imo.

 

[Caped Crusader]

hmm

 

[The Squirrel]

Spoiler

And in the cafe world, the dreamer and the target were the same guy, right??

Look at it this way (which you absolutely wont):

When the technology was invented, it was not supposed to even have a target!!! When Cobb was trained he was trained to be a guy that explores the shared dream world, maybe some free time fun...it was NOT INTENDED to EVER have a target. therefore...the Target can not possibly be the only person who populates a dream. When Leo is doing it alone, who is the target? No one...yet he can populate it. When those addicts get together to dream, who is target? NO ONE.

So, despite what the movie says, the target is not the only one who can populate a dream. There arent even supposed to be targets.

The reason why targets are the ones who populate the dream is because if someone else did then the target would be clued in to the fact that they have been abducted and are part of a forced shared dreamworld.

The Dreamer CAN DO IT. It happened in the movie!!!

Spoiler

Cobb even says the line: "I'm the target." In that scene. So yes, he was the target and she was the dreamer. And the target populated the dream.

 

[Team Andino]

I wonder.. If Heath were still alive, if he would have a spot in this film

He might of had Joseph Gordon-Levitt's spot IMO

 

[batman11]

Nolan had Eames's role in mind for Heath...It would have been a great role for him...However, Hardy did a great job

I didn't know that. When/where did Nolan say this? Thinking about it, it would have been interesting to see Heath and JGL play off each other, seeing as they look so much alike.

 

[Poeman]

I can't stop listening to it. There are few tracks that I'll skip over, but for the most part, I love it. Truly a great score. Works just as well on its own as it does in the film. And it's tough to compare it to the BB and TDK scores. There are tracks from each that I'd rate above one another, but I try not to compare. For example, "Time" from Inception is the most epic track of all three scores, whereas "Aggressive Expansion" from TDK never fails to get my blood pumping. Just my 2 cents.

I still love listening to "Like Dogs Chasing Cars"

 

[Figs]

Honestly the only soundtracks I've ever been into was TDK but IMO Inception soundtrack is better then TDK. I've been listening to it in the car over the weekend and it makes me feel like I'm actually involved in the movie or just reignites my mind of what happen in the movie.

Thanks for the advice. I love the loud booming sound(I think it's done with horns, correct me if i'm wrong)and how and when it's placed in the film but I just have trouble imagining it being nice to listen to when i'm in my car going to work in the morning.

I can't stop listening to it. There are few tracks that I'll skip over, but for the most part, I love it. Truly a great score. Works just as well on its own as it does in the film. And it's tough to compare it to the BB and TDK scores. There are tracks from each that I'd rate above one another, but I try not to compare. For example, "Time" from Inception is the most epic track of all three scores, whereas "Aggressive Expansion" from TDK never fails to get my blood pumping. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the info. I also tend to skip tracks on a number of soundtracks, hell, even albums from actual bands too. It's very rare that I find a band that has an album where I like or love every song, in most cases there are songs that I consider "filler".

Nolan had Eames's role in mind for Heath...It would have been a great role for him...However, Hardy did a great job

That would have been pretty cool to see but at the same time, although Heath was a pretty damn good actor I just have a tad bit trouble seeing him play that semi-tough guy kind of character. Not saying he couldn't pull it off but I now have Hard's version in my head of course so it's hard to see just about anyone in that role.

 

[Nirvana]

This movie holds up so well on the second viewing. :heart:

 

[Solidus]

I really enjoyed the soundtrack Figs. I dunno if that is a good review of it. But it truly has some amazing songs in it. Sad and just pure awesome action music too.

Now I just gotta figure out which the best Inception Poster is so I can buy it and frame it.

 

[batman11]

I still love listening to "Like Dogs Chasing Cars"

Great track.

Thanks for the info. I also tend to skip tracks on a number of soundtracks, hell, even albums from actual bands too. It's very rare that I find a band that has an album where I like or love every song, in most cases there are songs that I consider "filler".

No problem. There are times when I'm in the mood to listen to full scores, but in most cases, I'll just pinpoint the tracks that are a cut above the rest.

 

[Figs]

I really enjoyed the soundtrack Figs. I dunno if that is a good review of it. But it truly has some amazing songs in it. Sad and just pure awesome action music too.

Now I just gotta figure out which the best Inception Poster is so I can buy it and frame it.

I'm checking out the tracks on Youtube right now to see if it's worth buying or if I should just enjoy it when i'm watching the movie.

I'm also trying to decide which Inception poster to get as well. t:

It's just hard to pick only one. It might take me a fairly long time to decide.

 

[Ziggyman]

See my post above, I've got it all figured out.

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In the 4th level, Fischer is still the Mark. Cobb is the host and the dreamer, but he was also it's architect. We got it confused with Limbo because they look the same since Cobb built his own world within the Limbo. Fischer as a Mark can't fill it with his projections because of (either of these reasons): a.) he's dying; b.) Mal (as Cobb's subconscious) has captured Fischer's unconscious self.

Wow...this is what I said from the beginning...!!!

But...I think that I'm right...

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4th level is Fischer's dream...filled with Cobb's architecture and sub-con...it's the only way to explain the defibrilator as a kick...plus I think after Fischer jumped...the dream started to collapse...

 

[Caped Crusader]

'Time' pulls at your heart strings a bit. Love the score

 

[Poeman]

I really enjoyed the soundtrack Figs. I dunno if that is a good review of it. But it truly has some amazing songs in it. Sad and just pure awesome action music too.

Now I just gotta figure out which the best Inception Poster is so I can buy it and frame it.

I think this is the best poster to buy
http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/inceptionpostersmall2.jpg

 

[Solidus]

I'm checking out the tracks on Youtube right now to see if it's worth buying or if I should just enjoy it when i'm watching the movie.

I'm also trying to decide which Inception poster to get as well. t:

It's just hard to pick only one. It might take me a fairly long time to decide.

I agree. It will take some time for me to decide as well.

 

[Heretic]

Spoiler

Cobb even says the line: "I'm the target." In that scene. So yes, he was the target and she was the dreamer. And the target populated the dream.

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So, she was the architect AND the dreamer?? Weird...she can hook herself up and be the architect, the dreamer AND the target all at once!

And again...there is not supposed to ever be a target!!

You guys are so caught up in the titles of things that you arent getting the details.

If one guy is dreaming, what is he a target for? NOTHING. So, it's just a trade term they use for shorthand. "dreamer" is the term they use for the point man/host. None of them are blessed with powers that the others dont have.

The terms themselves are rather useless when one person could be all of them at once. I mean...if one guy is under...then is he really a target??? And if no one is targeting him, then why is he a target at all??? Exactly...he isnt...its just a trade term.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Saw the film on Saturday afternoon and the final hour of it is incredible. The theater reaction at the end is something I've never experienced before. I also was very moved by the emotion in the climax of this film between DiCaprio, Cotillard, and Page's characters. The more I think about the film and the consequences of the ending, the more incredible it really is. Can't wait to see it again.

 

[Poeman]

'Time' pulls at your heart strings a bit. Love the score

I personally love 528491 too...Because that moment in film was so powerful

 

[Poeman]

Buy this poster

or this

 

[Figs]

I think this is the best poster to buy
http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/inceptionpostersmall2.jpg

I like that one a lot but I think I might go with this one personally.

http://www.moviepostershop.com/inception-movie-poster/GB70301

 

[Caped Crusader]

I personally love 528491 too...Because that moment in film was so powerful

528491 is amazing as well

 

[FaT_tONle]

Spoiler

The thing is that we ALL need to admit...EVERY ONE OF US...that we don't KNOW what is going on. We have theories...

For instance, Gordon Levitt is the dreamer in level 2. It flat out states that the dreamer populates the world. He does NOT populate level 2...Murphy does (Murphy populates all of them). CLEARLY the mark has the ability to populate as well. It is best to allow the mark to do this, so that Gordon-Levitt doesnt have a thousand people chasing after Murphy...heck, if everyone populated the dream with projections, everyone would be ripped to shreds. So...it is the dreamers JOB to populate, unless there's a mark involved in the dream. Others potentially COULD do it...we dont really know for sure, but there doesnt seem to be anything stopping them according to the science in the film.

So, whereas some of you want to give a certain amount of power to the dreamer, I merely contend that his extra power is limited only to his job title, and his knowledge of the world. A Burger King cashier COULD make fries...but that isnt their job...and the fry cook probably knows the layout of the freezer better. It's semantics...

For instance, there could be two people who are quite skilled at forgery. However, when they enter the dream, one person's JOB is to be the forger...so two people aren't pulling the same stunts and getting things confused. My point is that the "dreamer" doesnt have special powers...he just has a task assigned to him. The dream isn't literally in his head...it's in the shared consciousness of everyone.

The movie is a bit confused on the subject, because Saito seemed to think that they were actually breaking into HIS dream...when in reality he was a part of a shared dream. It probably is not even possible in the Inception world to break into someone dream unless they are attached to the device. The dream belongs to the Architect really, fed into the system. Therefore, no one is technically the "dreamer". That term...to me anyway...implies that it is possible to enter a person's dreams, and it is not. The only way to do it is to be hooked up to the machine and sharing a dream that the architect built for everyone.

I don't see why the host wouldn't be able to manipulate and become his own forger. I'd imagine the explanation is simply that, that the subjects or the dreamer (host rather) that aren't forgers simply do not have a grasp on their sub conscience as well as Hardy's character. But I don't see why a host wouldn't be able to manipulate the world at his discretion. Don't even think you were questioning that, but basically everyone but the mark should be able to manipulate. Once the mark becomes aware, maybe even he can start forging.

 

[Boom]

Saw it a second time.

Spoiler

Still don't understand how Saito ended up in his own limbo, and how Cobb got there.