Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

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[DarthSkywalker]

Ant-man and Strange are FARR from mediocre. DCEU would kill for similar critic and audience reception.

I am a big fan of both of those films, especially Ant-Man. But if we are going with the "generic plot" idea, they are not dissimilar to Iron Man in that regard.

 

[GeckoMoria]

They adapted Strange's story pretty faithfully so any similarities should be really blamed to Stan the Man. If they didn't, it wouldn't be Strange, it would be someone else. I agree on Ant-man although Lang is completely different than Stark and it's a heist movie so it's different enough.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

]The big problem with everything I've seen so far with WW, is there is zero originality or creative license. This movie is Thor + Captain America TFA with gender reversal. It only underscores that Warner is in this for the cash grab, not to present something new. This just after we had a refreshing take on the genre with Logan.

I'm least concerned with Gadot, and more concerned with the entire concept. But this will probably make money, but I doubt it will be little more than a forgettable unoriginal piece of work.
I disagree with this. While it does look familiar, that is because this is what you would want or expect from WW's origin. This would be like changing Strange's origin because it is too similar to Tony's.

I still have plenty of doubts, but this looks like a proper Wonder Woman origin flick. If they pull it off, that would be pretty great to me.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah, count me out of that. There's enough generic films in this genre, and WB making a generic movie out of Wonder Woman would not satisfy me in the least.

Well they already made SS and BvS so..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They adapted Strange's story pretty faithfully so any similarities should be really blamed to Stan the Man. If they didn't, it wouldn't be Strange, it would be someone else. I agree on Ant-man although Lang is completely different than Stark and it's a heist movie so it's different enough.

The problem I have with this argument, and I am not sure you are even making it, but there are excuses made for the somewhat generic nature of plenty of Marvel movies. But if WW is going to be considered "generic" it is suddenly being held up to Logan. Doctor Strange wasn't suddenly compared to GotG.

 

[Flint Marko]

The problem I have with this argument, and I am not sure you are even making it, but there are excuses made for the somewhat generic nature of plenty of Marvel movies. But if WW is going to be considered "generic" it is suddenly being held up to Logan. Doctor Strange wasn't suddenly compared to GotG.

Agreed.

 

[The Batman]

Well they already made SS and BvS so..

WB making terrible movies doesn't mean I should be OK with a mediocre one, especially when its the first Live Action Wonder Woman film.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

They adapted Strange's story pretty faithfully so any similarities should be really blamed to Stan the Man. If they didn't, it wouldn't be Strange, it would be someone else. I agree on Ant-man although Lang is completely different than Stark and it's a heist movie so it's different enough.

I don't think the problem with those movies are the similar elements in the premise but the similarity of their scripts. Strange's script was just super generic, however the fantastic direction/acting/effects more than made up for it. Not so much in the case of Ant-Man which was just eh, if not for the third act and awesome visual effects I would easily consider it the worst movie in the MCU.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well they already made SS and BvS so..

It is actually rather amazing how generic both of those movies are considering how they were hyped. BvS was suppose to be this big complex idea, but never came close to achieving that. SS is such an obvious poor attempt at GotG, it is bizarre.

 

[TeeKay]

I actually have no problem with these "generic" plots. Tell the story well with a clear narrative path. As well as engaging and at least good written characters.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Every comic book origin story will be generic in some egree. Even Deadpool despite all the praise in terms of story was generic. Ant-man and Strange are good films. Strange is actually considered a great film and it's one of the most well-received MCU films to date.

WW should be a good movie first and foremost. She can get away with being generic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

WB making terrible movies doesn't mean I should be OK with a mediocre one, especially when its the first Live Action Wonder Woman film.

But so many were fine with mediocre Marvel first timers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think the problem with those movies are the similar elements in the premise but the similarity of their scripts. Strange's script was just super generic, however the fantastic direction/acting/effects more than made up for it. Not so much in the case of Ant-Man which was just eh, if not for the third act and awesome visual effects I would easily consider it the worst movie in the MCU.

I find Ant-Man a lot better then Strange, which I also really like.

 

[GeckoMoria]

I don't think the problem with those movies are the similar elements in the premise but the similarity of their scripts. Strange's script was just super generic, however the fantastic direction/acting/effects more than made up for it. Not so much in the case of Ant-Man which was just eh, if not for the third act and awesome visual effects I would easily consider it the worst movie in the MCU.

Completely disagree on Ant-man. Nowhere near worst MCU film. It's one of the most enjoyable and entertaining ones and the reception shows that. If WW is ant-man level DC fans will pop champagnes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Every comic book origin story will be generic in some egree. Even Deadpool despite all the praise in terms of story was generic. Ant-man and Strange are good films. Strange is actually considered a great film and it's one of the most well-received MCU films to date.

WW should be a good movie first and foremost. She can get away with being generic.

Deadpool was praised far more for the character relationships. Even as a comedy, the romance rang rather genuine. And as that is the core of the movie, it was pretty important.

 

[The Batman]

But so many were fine with mediocre Marvel first timers.

Good for those people, I guess.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Good for those people, I guess.

What do you expect from a Wonder Woman origin flick? Beyond the acting of course.

 

[TeeKay]

WB making terrible movies doesn't mean I should be OK with a mediocre one, especially when its the first Live Action Wonder Woman film.

They put themselves in this position in the first place. Everything now is riding on WW. I don't think anyone really cares about JL.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They put themselves in this position in the first place. Everything now is riding on WW. I don't think anyone really cares about JL.

Really caring isn't all that important. Plenty will still go see it. The question is how many. If it does less then BvS...

 

[Samuron]

If WW is full of quips like "the sword doesn't really go with the outfit", then I really don't want to hear any more "Marvel relies on humor too much" arguments.

 

[TeeKay]

Really caring isn't all that important. Plenty will still go see it. The question is how many. If it does less then BvS...

I feel its going to do on par or even less than BvS.

 

[GeckoMoria]

People will see it since it's Justice League. if the budget is bigger than BvS which i believe it will be and it makes on par with BvS they are doomed.

 

[The Batman]

What do you expect from a Wonder Woman origin flick? Beyond the acting of course.

A good movie with a compelling plot that uses the character, one of the most iconic in genre and not just Ant Man, to her full potential or come as close to it as possible.

Marvel managed to make a high quality film out of Guardians of the Galaxy, I don't think I'm asking for too much. Let's not pretend origin films can't be great, either. Superman: The Movie, Iron Man, Deadpool, and the aformentioned GOTG are some of the most loved films in the genre.