Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 35

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think the thing about Marvel is that they did, in some ways, constructed the "ideal" cinematic universe (build up stand-alone movies, have a crossover, explore the ramifications of the crossover in the sequel) but I really don't think it's the only way to do things.

"The World's Finest" put Superman and Batman together in the same universe in a three part TV special. I can't see why the same couldn't have happened successfully in a better Batman/Superman movie.

I think the post Snyder phase of DC will work, if WB doesn't rush things or mess with the editing.

I also think the Justice League sequel could be great..the "Wrath of Khan" of superhero movies.

But right now it looks like the sensibilities of 300 (which I'm okay with) meets the un-BvS (which seems to be the wrong lesson).

Like whatever BVS did..JL looks like it's apologizing for it.

Droning/slow-We'll make it action packed! Too dark-We'll have everyone say something witty!

Too self-reverential? We'll have The Flash make fun of superhero tropes!


The first Avengers didn't really seem like it was made to address criticisms of previous movies.

Justice League..however..feels like it's catered to the backlash of BVS.

It doesn't seem to me so much of a movie as an action-figure special with all your favorite players.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think the thing about Marvel is that they did, in some ways, constructed the "ideal" cinematic universe (build up stand-alone movies, have a crossover, explore the ramifications of the crossover in the sequel) but I really don't think it's the only way to do things.

"The World's Finest" put Superman and Batman together in the same universe in a three part TV special. I can't see why the same couldn't have happened successfully in a better Batman/Superman movie.

I think the post Snyder phase of DC will work, if WB doesn't rush things or mess with the editing.

I also think the Justice League sequel could be great..the "Wrath of Khan" of superhero movies.

But right now it looks like the sensibilities of 300 (which I'm okay with) meets the un-BvS (which seems to be the wrong lesson).

Like whatever BVS did..JL looks like it's apologizing for it.

Droning/slow-We'll make it action packed! Too dark-We'll have everyone say something witty!

Too self-reverential? We'll have The Flash make fun of superhero tropes!


The first Avengers didn't really seem like it was made to address criticisms of previous movies.

Justice League..however..feels like it's catered to the backlash of BVS.

It doesn't seem to me so much of a movie as an action-figure special with all your favorite players.

Very accurate assesment

You shouldn't make a movie and make it seem ike your just correcting something. Even when FOX screwed up way worse than DC/WB ever did the next movies didn't feel like they were apologizing or addressing criticism.

 

[2kt09]

The first Avengers didn't really seem like it was made to address criticisms of previous movies.

It doesn't seem to me so much of a movie as an action-figure special with all your favorite players.

Mostly because it was a parody of what I enjoyed from the rest of phase one.
A Justice League movie based on the New 52 Origin would very much be the same thing given the amount of DC in-jokes and the characters being portrayed as parodies.

Uh...that hasn't changed with these team movies.

Very accurate assesment

You shouldn't make a movie and make it seem like your just correcting something. Even when FOX screwed up way worse than DC/WB ever did the next movies didn't feel like they were apologizing or addressing criticism.

Not quite. Said in the X-boards, essentially every project since Origins Wolverine is supposed to come across as a do-over outside of Legion.

 

[Docker2.0]

And a refuge for people who use this name, apparently

Yeah but isn't that the name of their comic universe? They wanted to separate themselves from Marvel so instead of being called DCCU they are now called DCFU. I mean, who comes up with these ideas? The material writes itself.

 

[Greens]

Yeah but isn't that the name of their comic universe? They wanted to separate themselves from Marvel so instead of being called DCCU they are now called DCFU. I mean, who comes up with these ideas? The material writes itself.

Bloggers. There is no official name for DC's universe, but one blogger came up with DCEU and that's what it's known as now.

 

[OutOfBoose]

"DCFU" is just too perfect. I don't think I'll be using anything else to name this universe.

 

[Lencho01]

SR definitely didn't do with Supes what I wanted either. I likes him in MoS even though I have some other reservations about that film. We'll have to see what happens in JL. Shazam I guess is not someone I got into to the extent of the other major DC characters. Would really feel like something went wrong in my world if Supes is doing worse than a guy like that. t:

I didn’t like him in SR or MOS and WB seems to be in the same boat, they just don’t know/care what to do with him.

I just think it’s possible for Shazam to eclipse him due to how similar they are on the surface and how he once did it with the comics, to which DC sued to ensure Superman was #1 even though they copied some of Captain Marvel’s elements. And as I said, the concept sounds better to me as far as kids go. It’s an even better wish fulfillment story than Superman’s.

 

[regnak]

Okay, I figured it was him/her or Ranazza as they were going out of their way to bad mouth the film. Wow. Sad really.

IIRC that one joined the Arrow forums a couple years back to troll against Laurel Lance and for the special snowflake Felicity. IOW it doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Bloggers. There is no official name for DC's universe, but one blogger came up with DCEU and that's what it's known as now.

^ That's true. https://screenrant.com/dceu-movie-universe-official-name/

So we could call it the WAF (WonderWoman and Friends) universe and maybe it will catch on :P

Honestly..I'm more excited for the upcoming Flashpoint and its retcon possibilities. Maybe have a version where Wonder-Woman's timeline is preserved somehow?


It's weird..because I see Marvel movies on a fairly regular basis and yet I'm not really excited about them..but with DC post BVS..I actively turn my excitement off.

Honestly, the really high critical scores of Wonder Woman pulled me back into hype that individual movie, but not back into the DC Universe.

For me, Justice League will be a "The Wonder Woman and Aquaman Hour-featuring Batman."


It's weird...because done right, Justice League would feel mythical, rather than straight up cartoony. Think of the trailer for the DC universe online game.

Age of Ultron was fine, but it didn't really raise the stakes from the first film.


I honestly think the Russo brothers have the best opportunity to shake things up for Infinity War.

If Justice League bombs..expect only Batman and Wonder Woman to get sequels.

 

[Greens]

^ That's true. https://screenrant.com/dceu-movie-universe-official-name/

So we could call it the WAF (WonderWoman and Friends) universe and maybe it will catch on :P

Honestly..I'm more excited for the upcoming Flashpoint and its retcon possibilities. Maybe have a version where Wonder-Woman's timeline is preserved somehow?


It's weird..because I see Marvel movies on a fairly regular basis and yet I'm not really excited about them..but with DC post BVS..I actively turn my excitement off.

Honestly, the really high critical scores of Wonder Woman pulled me back into hype that individual movie, but not back into the DC Universe.

For me, Justice League will be a "The Wonder Woman and Aquaman Hour-featuring Batman."


It's weird...because done right, Justice League would feel mythical, rather than straight up cartoony. Think of the trailer for the DC universe online game.

Age of Ultron was fine, but it didn't really raise the stakes from the first film.


I honestly think the Russo brothers have the best opportunity to shake things up for Infinity War.

If Justice League bombs..expect only Batman and Wonder Woman to get sequels.

Looking at the current line-up of films in development at WB, it's Batman & Friends. Two of his sidekicks and a bunch of his villains are getting their own films. I'm fine with it because Batman is by far my favorite out of the DC heroes.

 

[Iceman]

I didn’t like him in SR or MOS and WB seems to be in the same boat, they just don’t know/care what to do with him.

I just think it’s possible for Shazam to eclipse him due to how similar they are on the surface and how he once did it with the comics, to which DC sued to ensure Superman was #1 even though they copied some of Captain Marvel’s elements. And as I said, the concept sounds better to me as far as kids go. It’s an even better wish fulfillment story than Superman’s.

I can't see it happening but there's an opportunity with Shazam's first mass market exposure if they really knock the film out of the park. It might be more popular with kids, yeah.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

DC? It's funny we have a movie coming out in a couple of weeks which years ago should have trumped any team movie (Avengers, FF, X-Men, etc.). There's something wrong with that.

To outdo movies is easy to come, even easier when compared to the embarrassing failure known as FFINO.

 

[Lencho01]

I can't see it happening but there's an opportunity with Shazam's first mass market exposure if they really knock the film out of the park. It might be more popular with kids, yeah.

Seems very possible to me since Superman is pretty much nothing on film right now. Shazam probably won’t eclipse Superman in general pop culture due to their histories (and how DC did what they did back in the day), but in this golden age of superhero films or whatever people want to call it, I can see Shazam doing better than him since WB screwed up (again).

 

[Iceman]

Seems very possible to me since Superman is pretty much nothing on film right now. Shazam probably won’t eclipse Superman in general pop culture due to their histories (and how DC did what they did back in the day), but in this golden age of superhero films or whatever people want to call it, I can see Shazam doing better than him since WB screwed up (again).

I don't know if Superman is doing that badly in all quarters. A lot of fans seem disillusioned right now but I wouldn't call him nothing on film right now. If MoS2 was announced now with a good director I think it would do decent numbers even with no trailers or news or anything indicating that it would be good or bad.

Still yes there is a huge opportunity for Shazam to get in there.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

https://batman-news.com/2017/10/29/...sponse-before-moving-forward-with-flashpoint/

A few days ago, Jeffrey Dean Morgan smiled nervously when asked about playing Batman in Flashpoint, but according to a new rumor we may have to pump the brakes a bit on that movie.

On the Meet The Movie Press podcast, Variety reporter Justin Kroll said that he’s heard that Warner Bros. has slowed their Flashpoint director search down. They want to wait and see what the response to Justice League is before moving forward with movies like Flashpoint. You can check out Kroll’s comments in the video below at the 28:02 mark.

If this rumor is true, I can understand where Warner Bros. is coming from. Flashpoint will include a lot of characters from Justice League and if audiences don’t respond well to that movie it wouldn’t make sense to give them even more of that world.

Warner Bros. will have plenty of time to think that over, though. Flashpoint is still years away. Shazam, Wonder Woman 2, and Suicide Squad 2 are all expected to go into production in 2018.

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[Iceman]

JL needs to be at least somewhat liked for near future DC event films outside of unconnected solos to be a likely thing.

 

[Iceman]

Superman returns had its moments, singer did aight imo with the limitations of donner's films he had

but yeah superman creepin on lois is no bueno for me

Were those not self imposed limitations? I definitely preferred MoS to SR. MoS stirs up loads of controversies here with those for and against endlessly debating but SR hardly ever merits a mention lol.

 

[Lencho01]

I don't know if Superman is doing that badly in all quarters. A lot of fans seem disillusioned right now but I wouldn't call him nothing on film right now. If MoS2 was announced now with a good director I think it would do decent numbers even with no trailers or news or anything indicating that it would be good or bad.

Still yes there is a huge opportunity for Shazam to get in there.

It's how I see him when compared to the Marvel characters or Batman (due to TDKR) and even Wonder Woman. This Superman feels less of a character and more of just a plot point/catalyst and it makes it hard for him to standout that much in positive way (we've seen many discussions on the negatives).

This is all due WB's incompetence when it comes to these characters outside of Batman (who I'll say is just luck on their part too).

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's been four years and MOS fans still have no clue what the third act criticisms were about. Neither does Snyder. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[Iceman]

were they self imposed? i don't really know

some of the 9/11 MoS criticisms are hilarious lmao


made me realize how much people turn a blind eye to some things

Self imposed as in Singer wanted to follow the Donner films. It wasn't something that was pushed on him.

MoS gets criticised because it didn't deliver on its premise for many people. I thought it was a 7/10 film with many aspects I really loved but after one of the best trailers ever I was expecting a 9/10 film. If it had been a regular 7/10 film with less ambition I think people wouldn't be so motivated to debate on it.

but I like some little moments in SR like this

Nice, yeah.

 

[DA_Champion]

It's impossibly difficult to follow most of the fighting in the Zod fight without props like slow motions.

For example, I bet that a viewers' poll of which of which of Zod or Superman took the fight into space would yield a 50/50 split. In statistics, when you get a 50/50 split like that on a binary, it's often a sign that people have absolutely no idea and that they're just guessing.

 

[Iceman]

It's how I see him when compared to the Marvel characters or Batman (due to TDKR) and even Wonder Woman. This Superman feels less of a character and more of just a plot point/catalyst and it makes it hard for him to standout that much in positive way (we've seen many discussions on the negatives).

This is all due WB's incompetence when it comes to these characters outside of Batman (who I'll say is just luck on their part too).

I know what you're saying but Cavill isn't exactly reviled as Supes like Reynolds GL or Halle Catwoman. Cavill Supes has a lot of fans and a big part of those who aren't fans are still open to him doing well in future. We'll see how good or bad he is in JL soon.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Superman in MOS acts a lot like the US military. What's the point of fighting a bad guy when you level a dozen skyscrapers with thousands of probable deaths. It's very reminiscent of US drone strikes in weddings and other civilian places with women and children dead, just to get two guys.

People are just collateral damage in the quest for justice.

 

[Timebomb]

It's been four years and MOS fans still have no clue what the third act criticisms were about. Neither does Snyder. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

I was going to say the same thing. Oh well.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Remember when Snyder tried to equate MOS criticisms to space Nazis in The Force Awakens destroying planets? Utterly dedicated to cluelessness.