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Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 37

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I've forgotten how great some of these scenes from Thor are. I loved Ragnarok, and thought TDW really put a fork in the more Shakespearean tone they were first striving for at first, but a rewatch of the first Thor is in definite order now.

Branagh did a good job for sure with this film. I also really like the final battle now that I think about it.

TDW is a poop stain on the Thor film series.
 
I loved Ragnarok, too but, man, I'm watching the scene where they are in Jotunheim and it is so atmospheric. I can't help but wonder how Branaugh would've visually rendered Sakaar if he was doing Ragnarok.
 
and Thor is turned into an almost complete buffoon for the sake of the humor.
I wouldn't call him a buffoon, but yeah, I'm sure there were other ways to boost his popularity than turning him into Smartass Marvel Hero #who's-even-keeping-count-anymore.
 
I don't think Thor's a lovable smartass (Stark/StarLord), he is more of a lovable/noble jock.
 
I wouldn't call him a buffoon, but yeah, I'm sure there were other ways to boost his popularity than turning him into Smartass Marvel Hero #who's-even-keeping-count-anymore.

They didn't go as far as I thought they would. His irreverence actually made sense to me, even though I do wish they'd allowed him to keep some of his Shakespearean disposition.
 
Quick question. Does anyone buy into the idea that Thor's success will get people pumped for JL? I've heard this theory before that a good superhero film gets people pumped for the next but I've never seen any evidence to back up that claim.
 
My mind is that if people don't feel like rewatching Thor, they're gonna watch JL to tie them over till Last Jedi. But I feel like Thor is part of the "Marvel Brand Safety Net" so it probably won't give much of a boost to JL.
 
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Quick question. Does anyone buy into the idea that Thor's success will get people pumped for JL? I've heard this theory before that a good superhero film gets people pumped for the next but I've never seen any evidence to back up that claim.

If JL has a big opening weekend then yes I will attribute its success to Thor Ragnarok, otherwise no :cwink:
 
Having that little band of comedy Earth guys in the previous films makes them hard to rewatch after Ragnarok. So much better when the comedy comes from someone like Hulk rather than Darcy or her intern.
 
I would think if JL gets a boost it is probably more from Wonder Woman than Thor as it was the last film in the franchise and she's also in this film.
 
Still love the first Thor movie personally and have said since it came out its Marvels most underrated movie.
 
Thor and Cap 1 weren't even as bashed as much as they are was until recently, where people group Thor and Cap 1 with Iron Man 2 and TIH to make Phase 1 not seem-as good/successful as it actually was. Even moderately with those movies in particular.

It is much easier to just say Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk, folks. Iron Man, Thor, Cap 1 & The Avengers was a solid lineup.
 
Thor and Cap 1 weren't even as bashed as much as they are was until recently, where people group Thor and Cap 1 with Iron Man 2 and TIH to make Phase 1 not seem-as good/successful as it actually was. Even moderately with those movies in particular.

It is much easier to just say Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk, folks. Iron Man, Thor, Cap 1 & The Avengers was a solid lineup.
I like both Thor and the First Avenger. But people were treating them like they were Batman Begins or something. They never were. It seemed this only became able to say after these characters got legit good movies. Because both of those films have a lot of major flaws, even as a enjoy them quite a bit.
 
The second viewing isn't that far off from the first viewing. It's usually right after. I'm not talking about a film that falls apart as soon as you see it a second time, I'm talking about a film that only works under excitement, but bears no deeper reflection. I enjoy TWS just as much 3 years later as I did that day. I can't say the same for the airport fight from Civil War just a year and a half later. I can go through Thor 1's formulaic journey again and it still means something. Can we really say we'll have as much fun with Thor 3 six years from now? Essentially, there are actual films which leave the impressions that DCFU fans claim BvS does.

Case in point: Thor losing his hammer sounds huge, but the point of the storyline is that the hammer doesn't matter, that Thor hasn't lost anything, and the movie underlines this by having him use his new powers before he even knows there's a lesson to learn.

EDIT: Now, I freely admit that 'meaningfulness' and 'consequence' may not be the point of Thor 3, or most MCU films, however, if folks are putting it near the top of that pile, I want to point out that there are other films from this studio that are simply better because they do have that as a priority. Of course... those films, while necessary foundations for what we have, made less money, so maybe the MCU is going in an unavoidable direction anyway... -shrug-

As I said I found the film better on the second watch and especially the dramatic themes stood out more for me. It's going to be individual, and I'm not going to pretend to know now how I'll feel about a film in years, as it will be sad if I'm the same person in six years. It's looking positive right now though.

As for stakes/consequences, there are much bigger ones than the one you mention. It's probably the MCU film with the biggest consequences this far. The breaking of SHIELD, as some mentioned, is not as large. It was big, but the Avengers were still going on their own without SHIELD being there. [BLACKOUT]Asgard being destroyed, Thor becoming king and possibly moving the Asgardians to Earth[/BLACKOUT] are just events on a different scale and changes so much for the main character.

You pointing out to people that there are films that are better sounds like you're going beyond the line of just excluding "imo" from opinions and instead trying to tell people that your opinion is right.
 
I'm telling you, if you watch Ragnarok in a quiet crowd, the movie will come across a lot less comedic than it appears to be and I think the serious scenes definitely carry more weight to them.
 
Both times I saw Ragnorak, Thor's line about
Loki turning into a snake
got the biggest laughs.
 
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As I said I found the film better on the second watch and especially the dramatic themes stood out more for me. It's going to be individual, and I'm not going to pretend to know now how I'll feel about a film in years, as it will be sad if I'm the same person in six years. It's looking positive right now though.

As for stakes/consequences, there are much bigger ones than the one you mention. It's probably the MCU film with the biggest consequences this far. The breaking of SHIELD, as some mentioned, is not as large. It was big, but the Avengers were still going on their own without SHIELD being there. [BLACKOUT]Asgard being destroyed, Thor becoming king and possibly moving the Asgardians to Earth[/BLACKOUT] are just events on a different scale and changes so much for the main character.

You pointing out to people that there are films that are better sounds like you're going beyond the line of just excluding "imo" from opinions and instead trying to tell people that your opinion is right.

Agreed, way bigger consequences than TWS, but part of that might be due to the fact they were still running Agents of Shield the whole time Shield was supposed to be dissolved. The films pretty much ignored the TV series from there on out.

Pretty much the MCU is fundamentally changed after Thor Ragnarok and it has direct consequences leading into Infinity War.
 
Quick question. Does anyone buy into the idea that Thor's success will get people pumped for JL? I've heard this theory before that a good superhero film gets people pumped for the next but I've never seen any evidence to back up that claim.

I don't think so. Especially this far into the game of having years of superhero films.

Both times I saw Ragnorak, Thor's line about
Loki turning into a snake
got the biggest laughs.

It looked like Hiddleston himself was going to laugh in that scene.
 
I'm telling you, if you watch Ragnarok in a quiet crowd, the movie will come across a lot less comedic than it appears to be and I think the serious scenes definitely carry more weight to them.

My crowd was pretty subdued and the serious scenes didn't feel that weighty.
 
Quick question. Does anyone buy into the idea that Thor's success will get people pumped for JL? I've heard this theory before that a good superhero film gets people pumped for the next but I've never seen any evidence to back up that claim.

Well, GOTGV2, WW, and SMH all did fantastic business but were spaced a month apart (May 5, June 2, July 7) from each other. All three also had terrific RT scores and audience response.

If JL gets a fresh RT score and good buzz, then it should do just fine. Doctor Strange doing good business last year didn't prevent Fantastic Beasts from becoming a hit in its own right (also spaced two weeks apart).
 
Well, GOTGV2, WW, and SMH all did fantastic business but were spaced a month apart (May 5, June 2, July 7) from each other. All three also had terrific RT scores and audience response.

If JL gets a fresh RT score and good buzz, then it should do just fine. Doctor Strange doing good business last year didn't prevent Fantastic Beasts from becoming a hit in its own right (also spaced two weeks apart).

Thing is I hear this so often that the buzz from one superhero film can affect the buzz from the next, but I just don't understand where this comes from. Has anybody here ever felt the need to watch a movie based on the success of a similar film? I certainly haven't.
 
Thing is I hear this so often that the buzz from one superhero film can affect the buzz from the next, but I just don't understand where this comes from. Has anybody here ever felt the need to watch a movie based on the success of a similar film? I certainly haven't.

Iron Man 3 certainly didn't make $1.2B off its own back given that the first sequel showed no noticeable improvement. This is something people talk about relating to the GA and their general faith in the overall CBM genre, which is boosted by good films and helps across the board (and vice versa), not really relevant to anyone who has enough interest to sign up to a forum like this.
 
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