Civil War In The Dcu?

[Marvin]

that gov't and lex being in charge doesn't exist any more

besides, I don't think it would/should be an american government act...but rather a higher power act

just considering dc unlike marvel has more less than street level charcters..ie GL corps and such

but that's beside the point

 

[Chris Wallace]

So you're thinking, what-some sort of intergalactic council?

 

[Marvin]

maybe...

the issue is proper training and direction right?

 

[Harlekin]

Elaborate. Elucidate.

As was pointed out before by Corp: The whole JSA thing with HuAC.

Anyway, as to the point of Lex Luthor not being president right now, sure, but that doesn't stop another villain from doing what he did. The government simply can't be trusted by most heroes in the DCU, with somebody like Batman chief amongst them (they haven't only royally screwed him over with things like No Man's Land, but he's also opposed to stuff like the Suicide Squad).

 

[Marvin]

same could be said for the marvel universe

 

[Harlekin]

They've never had a supervillain get into the White House.

 

[Anubis]

But they did have the Red Skull as the Secretary of Defense.

 

[Chris Wallace]

maybe...

the issue is proper training and direction right?

The issue is control. If the act were passed, not only would the Pentagon know the names & social security numbers of all registered heroes, they could put anyone refusing to register in jail. The registered heroes would fall completely under government authoirty, & could be told who to fight, when & where
Imagine, if you will, Norman Osborn cutting a deal w/the White House. They could tell Spider-Man that under no circumstances is Osborn to be touched & he'd have to obey.
The whole point of superheroes is that they can step in where the cops can't; they're immune to political backdealing & red tape.

 

[BrianWilly]

I just really don't think you could make a very strong case for most of the DCU heroes to be for registration. They already receive training. A lot of them already have public identities. Most of them would be impossible to control. And the ones that wouldn't mind working for the government already work for the government anyway, in agencies such as Checkmate.

 

[Chris Wallace]

But they did have the Red Skull as the Secretary of Defense.

But not knowingly.

 

[Marvin]

so that means the if this was the mavel universe and lex was never in office then batman would be ok with it?

 

[BrianWilly]

No, Batman probably wouldn't go for it either way considering he's the type of superhero that the registration act is targetting most. An act that forces him to reveal his identity and only go after people that the government allows him to go after is completely and utterly against his modus operandi.

 

[Marvin]

that may be true...

as far as the general public is concerned superman doesn't wear a mask...

does the gov't know he has a secret id?

 

[Anubis]

Lex knew. Supposedly. And of course theres Max Lord, who worked for Checkmate. It's possible.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

A bunch of superheroes work for Checkmate now, and I'm pretty sure Alan and Fire, at least, know Superman's identity. JSA Classified showed that Alan apparently had enough pull with Checkmate to actually set ground rules and boundaries concerning his involvement, though, so it's possible he just used that pull to withhold any information about other heroes he might have.

Exactly, which makes it rather odd, to me, for a man as wise and brilliant as Reed Richards to just bend over and take it.

A man as wise and brilliant and optimistic as Reed Richards with no secret identity of his own to conceal, though. Reed's one of the few who are for the bill that I can kind of understand, actually.

 

[Lackey]

Optimistic, but not naive. He not a person I see as a government stooge and he should know better.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

True, believing that the heroes and the government could work together rather than the heroes' being forced into subservience is naive. Maybe they'll explain his reasoning down the line.

 

[The Batman]

Supes and Bats would probably be against it

People like Wally, Hal, and Diana MIGHT be for it.

I'd like to see something like this in the DCU, for the current heroes and not just the jsa.

 

[BrianWilly]

Considering the hoops that Wally jumped through to maintain his secret identity, I doubt he'd be so willing to give it up.

Diana is far too liberal. More seriously, I don't think she quite approves of metahumans as soldiers.

Hal...maybe. He's been on the opposite side of the fence concerning the government lately ([paraphrase]"When I wear this ring, my allegiance is to the Corps only!"[/paraphrase]), but I can maybe see him as a stickler for order, duty, and responsibiity at heart.

 

[The Batman]

True, True

We know Alan, Mr Terrific, and Fire would be willing to work for the government.

Which big name superhero would be willing to work with the government?

 

[BrianWilly]

Depending on how much more they're going to make John Stewart into his JLU counterpart, he'd definitely be on the list.

Oracle has always tried to get Batman to be more "legitimate" and work more with the police, so maybe her.

I've never really understood how Roy Harper got involved with Checkmate in the first place -- he doesn't seem to have the right sort of mindset for it -- but he's got that history, so him as well.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

We know Alan, Mr Terrific, and Fire would be willing to work for the government.

Alan I'm not sure about. He's working with the government now, but he set down a bunch of ground rules and lines that Checkmate couldn't cross. It seems like a side job to me. He's still primarily a superhero unaffiliated with any governments. I think his affiliation with both the JSA and Checkmate, along with his past encounters with the government (wanting to help the US fight in WWII but not wanting to give up his secret ID on the principle of it during the Cold War), makes him seem like one of the biggest wildcards, in my opinon.

 

[hippie_hunter]

so that means the if this was the mavel universe and lex was never in office then batman would be ok with it?

No because Batman hates goverment officials such as Amanda Waller, Max Lord, and politicians in general. He sees them all as corrupt asshats. And he guards his identity very well.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Alan I'm not sure about. He's working with the government now, but he set down a bunch of ground rules and lines that Checkmate couldn't cross. It seems like a side job to me. He's still primarily a superhero unaffiliated with any governments. I think his affiliation with both the JSA and Checkmate, along with his past encounters with the government (wanting to help the US fight in WWII but not wanting to give up his secret ID on the principle of it during the Cold War), makes him seem like one of the biggest wildcards, in my opinon.

Alan Fury's involement in Checkmate makes this confusing since he doesn't wear a uniform in Checkmate yet wouldn't give up his identity during the McCarthy era. I personally think that Rucka's version of the character would be willing for a registration act.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Considering Rucka's version of the character has only ever appeared in one issue right now, I'm skeptical about it. I think there's enough in the character's past to justify his choosing either option, really.