Contest Of Marvels (Season 3) - Thread 2

[Phaedrus45]

Bracket 3

Match 1:

Thing (FRANKLINRICHARDS) link

vs.

Avalanche (PHAEDRUS45) link

Match 2:

Jolen (MIDNIGHTICE) link

vs.

Taskmaster (VANGUARD07) link

 

[Phaedrus45]

Bracket 4

Match 1:

Absorbing Man (AHURAMAZDA) link

vs.

Dracula (FRANKLINRICHARDS) link

Match 2:

Ares (HELLSTORMER) link

vs.

Sentry (POWDER-MAN) link

 

[Phaedrus45]

Location: Avengers Mansion (Before Decimation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_Mansion

Nobody will be in the mansion, besides the combatants. Remember, while you do have 24 hour prep time, that prep time does not allow you to place anything within the location before the battle begins. You can only take stuff into battle that you can hold on your character's person.

Debating May Begin!

 

[POWdER-man]

Sentry vs Ares

Introduction
Well this is arguably the biggest match of the first round. We have two very capable combatants with a magnitude of power and ability. Both of which, have the potential of going the distance in this Contest with the right circumstances. Sadly at the end of this week only one of them will be left standing.

On one end you have Ares, the God of War, and on the other end you have Sentry, who has the power of a million exploding suns, been said to be the most powerful Superhero in the Marvel Universe, and Nick Fury and Shield have admitted they have not found a sure weakness to kill him. Although he has showed signs of weakness to psychic manipulation, Ares has no capability to expose this weakness.

Prep-time

Since there would have to be an initial introduction to this match and contest as he would be given the name of his first opponent and a picture.

Spoiler

Ares

He would be aware that there must be some great importance to this contest if all the Heroes and Villains have been joined together, and that they would be fighting each other for the most important power of the marvel universe. Could it be the infinity gems? The Heart of the Universe? Superbowl tickets? Not knowing but still recognizing the importance of his role in this competition he must do what he must, as it might be the fate of the world. He will rise to the occasion as he has demonstrated before.

Being as they both have been Avengers, and recently worked alongside each other in the Dark Avengers, they would know each other quite well.

However despite this, Sentry would still want to learn more about this battle and his opponent by researching using his AI, CLOC to find out what he can. Most individuals know how powerful Sentry is but they forget how intelligent he is as well. He will be prepared physically as well as mentally.

Sentry is aware of Ares’, impatience in rushing into battle. His physical capabilities are that of being stronger than most gods except Zeus and Hercules. So he knows that he has a high amount of durability and healing factor and can withstand quite a bit damaged without being killed.

Discovering the location will be at the Avengers Mansion with no one present he would not fear that anyone else will get in the way or get hurt. He would have no access to this location prior to the battle but nor would Ares.

Match

As both opponents arrive at the location, there is no hiding or scheming between either combatants. They will know where each other are and they will seek each other in a hurry. However with Sentry being faster, and have better senses, he would be able to locate Ares quicker and more efficiently.

With the location being only the two of them Sentry will not have to worry about letting go. Sentry will attack Ares first but will hold back as he has always been afraid of using his powers to his full force. Although he doesn’t hit as hard as he is capable to do, he still sends Ares flying to the ground with much force, knocking half the mansion down. Fortunately for Ares he has incredible strength and durability, even though he cannot hide that hit hurt him a bit. As he quickly recovers and goes into the offensive he swings his weapon as it shatters on contact with Sentry’s hands (just like Terrax’s cosmic axe (gave to him by Galactus) met the same fate). Throwing the pieces aside Ares slugs Sentry a few times as hard as he can but unable to hurt Sentry. Sentry moves in quickly and goes into a full blitz of punches sending Ares through the walls of x-manson as the building collapses to the ground. Slowly staggering up, Sentry moves over and lays the final blow square on Ares’ jaw knocking him out for good.

Conclusion

Ares has shown to favor going into battles with brute force rather a clear strategy. He did the same thing with WWH. He knew what he was facing but instead of thinking up a strategy he went into it using his fighting ability and strength. He has shown to do this in other instances so it is a recurring theme with the character. Just like Sentry’s under-confidence is his weakness, Ares’ is his over-confidence.

Despite being the God of War he has been defeated time and time again, by World War Hulk, Thor, Hercules, and even Namor. He can be injured, he can be knocked out, he can be defeated.

Ares could be summed up with one moment...or punch...

Spoiler

This is not trying to dimiss Ares as a walk in the park. This just shows a clear difference between both characters. They both fought the same exact character (WWH) at the exact time frame. The obvious differences between Ares and Sentry are quite apparent in these panels as Sentry held his own against WWH. Not only knocking WWH through buildings, and on his ass, but holding up to WWH’s massive punches over and over again. While Ares only took one punch from the same opponent and was out cold.

Spoiler

Even if Sentry went “soft” on him, he would simply increase his force to match what he is required to defeat his opponent. With Ares being a God he would not worry in hitting him or hurting as much as he would a mere mortal. Ares can’t harm him, at least not enough to do any serious damage physically. Ares would not be able to say same thing with Sentry.

I see this match only going one way and quickly. This match won’t be a cat and mouse game. This will be an epic collision of two very strong characters going at each other physically. Unfortunately, Ares is just simply out matched and outclassed, which says a lot to just how powerful Sentry is. No matter how many hits Ares lays on Sentry he will just not be able to beat him physically, eventually Sentry will finish this match.

SENTRY WINS

 

[Hellstormer]

Ares Vs. Sentry

I'm so psyched that I got one of the absolute biggest matches of the first round (probably in the whole game). This is not gonna be an easy one, but I plan on making it exceptionally hard.

So let's lay this out. Sentry's faster (I'll give him that), he can fly (not a significant advantage given the tight quarters of the Avengers Mansion, but an advantage nonetheless), he's a little stronger (this wouldn't be so if Ares had his Gauntlets but its still unclear as to the whereabouts of those), and he's got energy blasts (but honestly I've never seen him use these and I would like more info on them, I'm seeing a lot of "unknown limits" on his bios).

Ares advantages: he's immortal (not only will this help him stay around longer, but it means he's been around for a long time, at least since Roman times), he has fought in wars much greater than this tiny battle (he took down all of Hades army nearly single-handedly), he has armor, an axe, and a mace all formed from adamantine by Hephaestus (as far as I know adamantine is even stronger then adamantium since that's the metal is was named after, has anything ever gone against this?), he has a ridiculous healing factor probably between the Wolverine and Deadpool level (I've never gotten an exact statement on this) and he has fought alongside of the Sentry so he knows who he's up against.

Now here's how I see it going down. My assumption is Ares prefers not to wear his adamantine armor because it would significantly way him down, but he knows going in that the Sentry is much faster then him so he'll suck it up and wear it. He'll also bring his adamantine weapons (axe and mace). Now since these were forged by Hephaestus and are made form the metal of the gods I'm assuming that have some magical residue behind them (what's the Sentry's status on magic?). As for the fight, Ares will come in, Ares is best at a charging, but he's been in enough battles to know when charging is a good idea and when its now. Against the Hulk it would seem like a good idea because Hulk is mindless, but the Sentry's pretty smart and Ares knows this. Ares has also realized that Sentry isn't entirely "with it". Ares is a tough guy and he's gonna try his damnest to belittle and agitate the Sentry. He's seen the Sentry first hand when he loses his cool (Mighty Avengers 4 or 5) and he knows he can use this. Ares is well aware that the Sentry has never fully utilized his powers and he'll have to straddle the line between agitating him enough to get careless or completely losing it and tearing off his head. Ares' best bet will be to get in close and hammer Sentry since all he has to do is knock him out, killing either of these two is virtually impossible. Given that Ares has far greater combat experience and a greater understanding of the elements of war and combat he'll use all of his advantages to the max and try to cover up every disadvantage he has.

 

[Hellstormer]

Ares Vs. Sentry Rebuttal
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On one end you have Ares, the God of War, and on the other end you have Sentry, who has the power of a million exploding suns, been said to be the most powerful Superhero in the Marvel Universe, and Nick Fury and Shield have admitted they have not found a sure weakness to kill him. Although he has showed signs of weakness to psychic manipulation, Ares has no capability to expose this weakness.

The same can be said for Ares, he has no identifiable weakness. He's immortal, super durable, increased stamina, and an unbeatable healing factor.

Being as they both have been Avengers, and recently worked alongside each other in the Dark Avengers, they would know each other quite well.

Sentry is in the Dark Avengers? Now I'm gonna have to take it off my pull.

However despite this, Sentry would still want to learn more about this battle and his opponent by researching using his AI, CLOC to find out what he can. Most individuals know how powerful Sentry is but they forget how intelligent he is as well. He will be prepared physically as well as mentally.

Sentry is intelligent, but Ares has more combat experience.

As both opponents arrive at the location, there is no hiding or scheming between either combatants. They will know where each other are and they will seek each other in a hurry. However with Sentry being faster, and have better senses, he would be able to locate Ares quicker and more efficiently.

Elaborate on this point. Is he finding him just by flying about at high speeds looking for him? This could be a mistake when Ares uses this speed against him. Getting closelined by a godly mace at highspeed will hurt even goldboy.

With the location being only the two of them Sentry will not have to worry about letting go.

Sentry can't totally cutloose, Avengers mansion is still near a public area and Sentry is too much of a good boy to dare that. Ares on the otherhand....wouldn't care.

Sentry will attack Ares first but will hold back as he has always been afraid of using his powers to his full force.

......Didn't you just say Ares has a habit of charging in? Ares will get the first hit in, I don't care how fast Sentry is, Ares is the God of War, he knows the significance of a first blow.

Although he doesn’t hit as hard as he is capable to do, he still sends Ares flying to the ground with much force, knocking half the mansion down.

BY the end of this battle, Disassembled won't even be able to happen, there will be NO MANSION.

Fortunately for Ares he has incredible strength and durability, even though he cannot hide that hit hurt him a bit. As he quickly recovers and goes into the offensive he swings his weapon as it shatters on contact with Sentry’s hands (just like Terrax’s cosmic axe (gave to him by Galactus) met the same fate).

He quickly recovers and his stamina makes it feel like dust on his shoulders. And I don't see Sentry shattering the axe or the mace. Galactus can make a strong weapon, but its nothing compared to a weapon made by Hephaestus (past work include Hermes' helmet, Aegis' breastplate, and Helios' chariot) from the metal of the gods. I don't see Sentry so much as bending this.

Throwing the pieces aside Ares slugs Sentry a few times as hard as he can but unable to hurt Sentry. Sentry moves in quickly and goes into a full blitz of punches sending Ares through the walls of x-manson as the building collapses to the ground. Slowly staggering up, Sentry moves over and lays the final blow square on Ares’ jaw knocking him out for good.

Even if by some unbelieveable miracle Sentry pries the weapons out of Ares hands (but in all honestly if that happens then the battles already over) Ares is still wearing the A-Armor (a=adamantine from this point forward) which will siginificantly reduce the force of Sentry's blows and give more weight to Ares'. Ares' is still not at Sentry's strength level, but he's close enough to leave a lasting impression even without the weapons.

Ares has shown to favor going into battles with brute force rather a clear strategy. He did the same thing with WWH. He knew what he was facing but instead of thinking up a strategy he went into it using his fighting ability and strength. He has shown to do this in other instances so it is a recurring theme with the character. Just like Sentry’s under-confidence is his weakness, Ares’ is his over-confidence.

Ares was thinking of Hulk as intelligent, he was still under the impression that the Hulk was savage and stupid. If you can recall the Ares mini-series, Ares engaged an entire army and cut there numbers down significantly with his plan (I'm gonna reread that tonight so take that with a grain of salt until I can confirm it)

Both men are going into the battle prepared Sentry mentally and Ares' physically. The Sentry is still not fully capable of going all out and as far as Ares is concerned he's weak (mentally) and green. The a-weapons and armor will greatly help swing this battle for Ares.

WINNER ARES


PS. What was Terrax's axe made from? Was it ever revealed?

 

[Franklin Richards]

*Terrax's axe is made from pure Power Cosmic. Much like the Surfer's board it is a part of Terrax.


Fantastic Franklin

 

[JewishHobbit]

And the timeframe for this tourney is the conclusion of Secret Invasion. Just so you guys know. No references to Dark Avengers (I know nothing's come of it here but just in case).

 

[Vanguard07]

Jolen vs Taskmaster:

This is an interesting match. Taskmaster, while normally highly overpowered, has a reasonably large area advantage.

Jolen, is essentially a plant elemental. Able to cause rapid growth in plant matter, control plants, turn himself into plant matter and heal himself like a plant would.

Taskmaster is a one of the most skilled fighters the MU has ever seen. He's also a high ranking member of the Initiative training facility at Camp Hammond. As such he would have access to Initiative intel files. As well as the blue prints/floor plan for the Avengers mansion.

With nothing more than a picture and 24 hours Taskmaster would learn everything he needs to know. He could also more than likely arm up with some weaponry specific to take Jolen down (some trick arrows with some plant killing gas for example).

Jolen on the other hand, has no real source of intel on Taskmaster. Attilan having always been an outcast from humanity with no real lines of communication.

The fight begins. Taskmaster immediately makes his way to "the playroom" for more maneuvering room, setting traps along the hallways the whole way there. Claymore mines, gas traps etc.

More to show Jolen the way than to defeat him on their own. Who knows though? He just might get lucky and one of his traps might finish the job.

Jolen, indoors in a building with numerous highly reinforced sub-levels has no real ability to call upon his plant-based powers to aid him. He's unfortunately handicapped and he knows it. What's worse is unlike Taskmaster he doesnt have any access to the Avengers Mansion's systems.

Taskmaster, who is a well established ruthless bastard has no qualms about fighting fair. Instead he enters the control room of the playroom and sets about hacking into the Mansion's security systems. (Whether or not his Initiative status would grant him access codes really only affects how fast this would be accomplished. Not whether it would). Soon, the setting for their battle is LITERALLY against Jolen.

Security droids attack him, chemical fire repellent systems poison him, Taskmasters own traps endanger Jolen as he fights for his life against the Mansions defenses untill Eventually, by luck, skill or perhaps a bit of Taskmaster's own design he finds himself also in the wide open area of the playroom and finally gets the chance to see his opponent face to skull-mask.

With Marksmanship mimicked from Hawkeye, Taskmaster assaults the hapless inhuman with explosive arrows, gas pellets and various thrown bladed weaponry. Jolen, unable to get ahold of Taskmaster due to his superior agility and skill is quickly worn down and his plant-like healing is quickly overcome by the cutting, poisoning and explosions. Eventually Jolen succumbs to Taskmaster's ruthless assault and is withered down to fertilizer.

Taskmaster wins.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Thing vs. Avalanche - Opening Debate

I thought this spelled doom for Avalanche; but, after picking up the Handbook on Avalanche, and not simply relying on the link, I think he's got a chance of defeating Thing.

The key to this battle is in how Thing handles every battle: Directly! There is no finese in his fighting style; he just wants to clobber everything in his way.

Here is the key:

"Though his power can affect organic tissue, resulting in potential massive internal injuries, dense organic tissue - such as the Hulk's skin - can reflect Avalanche's power back at him, resulting in Avalanche himself being seriously injured."

While having a rocky exterior, Thing does not have "dense organic tissue" like the Hulk's skin. His skin is more like the material that Avalanche directly effects, and what's below that rocky hide isn't dense at all, as we saw when Wolverine cut into Thing's face.

Another thing works well for Avalanche; they haven't faced each other, as they are in different worlds. Avalanche is an X-Men foe, and we've seen Thing get beaten many times when facing a foe for the first time, especially since he likes to rush into battle. Thing will look at this character, dressed up like Rhino, and think it's going to be a slobber-knocker. Nope, Avalanche will know he has one move to take this battle: Use all his power against Thing's rocky hide!

It's a one-shot, take all...but, it's been proven to be effective before. Basically, I'll admit it's all my character has; but, it's all he really needs.

Winner = Avalanche

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Bracket 4

Match 1:

Absorbing Man (AHURAMAZDA) link

vs.

Dracula (FRANKLINRICHARDS) link

This is a big match up but Dracula as formidable as he is, has a big handicap here. He is facing someone who can use all the elements located in the House as well as make sure there is as much direct sunlight as possible.

Let us first look at Dracula's weaknesses:

Dracula has a dependence on the ingestion of fresh blood to sustain his existence, and an inability to endure direct sunlight and falls into a comatose state during daylight hours and must spend much time in contact with his native soil. He has vulnerabilities to garlic, silver (which can cause severe pain), the presence of religious symbols (wielded by one who believes in its spiritual meaning), and can be killed by beheading, a wooden stake through the heart, or blades made of silver. He can also be destroyed by the Darkhold spell known as the Montesi Formula.

Clearly the Absorbing man who has gotten more intelligent with his mind controlling powers would know of the main weaknesses of Dracula. In addition, it is likely to not say certain that he will find elements of wood, silver and even adamantium in the house.

At the start of the match he could easily convert his body to adamantium with an outer layer of silver and wood. He could grow himself and destroy the ceiling basically eliminating all shadow. Absorbing Man can literally absorb the whole House and this match is in daytime. He can also use his skin to reflect the sunlight. Dracula would noramlly be comatose during the day and if he is, he would be totally vulnerable to the Absorbing Man attacks who cuold find him instantaneously by just absorbing the House and its foundations.

Literally for the first 12 hours, Absorbing Man has an incredible advantage which should overwhelm Dracula in a short time.

Winner - Absorbing man

 

[Franklin Richards]

Thing VS Avalanche



Look. Is there anyone here who thinks Ben Grimm will get punked by Avalanche?


Ben knows the Avenger's Mansion. While the Baxter Building was destroyed and before Four Freedom's Plaza was built, Ben lived at the Avenger's Mansion. He knows where the security systems are. He knows where the weapons are. He knows.


Ben will take out Avalanche but unfortunately the Mansion will take the lumps. Ben has to take it easy. Avoid a few earthquakes. Oh and by the way, Ben has pulled himself out of alot of piles of rubble over the years. Once Avalanche starts losing hope of beating Ben, then Benjy will start making tremors of his own.


With a few well placed ground strikes, Ben can turn the tables and knock Avalanche to the ground. Once Ben takes a few rounds of Avalanche's best, it's time for Ben to clobber.


One well placed punch or a rock thrown to Avvy's head oughta do it.



The Ever Lovin' Blue Eyed Idol of Millions wins this one.


Thing Wins!

 

[POWdER-man]

Ares Vs. Sentry REBUTTAL

So let's lay this out. Sentry's faster (I'll give him that),

Which makes him much harder to hit and can hit his opponent more times. Plus he can fly to the sun faster than the speed of light. He is so fast he caught a speeding bullet (that was only inches away from the guy's head).

Spoiler

he can fly (not a significant advantage given the tight quarters of the Avengers Mansion, but an advantage nonetheless),

There are rooms and areas larger than others, but really, the building is not going to hold these two juggernauts. It's coming down one way or another. So theis fight will continue on the outside in the open area and on the grounds. It might even start out there as both opponents would want more room to move and fight.

he's a little stronger (this wouldn't be so if Ares had his Gauntlets but its still unclear as to the whereabouts of those),

Well he doesn't have the gauntlets so it doesn't matter. He is not a little stronger, he is MUCH more stronger as shown in my scans I provided showing him against the most powerful level of Hulk (WWH). He also ripped Carnage in half. While possessed by the Void he broke Hulk's limbs. He has been dubbed by Marvel as the World's strongest superhero. He can lift far more in excess of 100 tons (as defined by many bios), while Ares has been defined as around 70 tons. He tore Ultron's head off, who is made out of adamantium. I could go on but his feats of strength are FAR more exceeding than those of Ares.

and he's got energy blasts (but honestly I've never seen him use these and I would like more info on them, I'm seeing a lot of "unknown limits" on his bios).

He did in WWH, this would be the higher end of his energy blasts that he has shown but could have been a lot worse). The "power of a million exploding suns" is nothing to take for granted. They say unknown because if he ever went his full extent of the powers he would more than likely destroy earth or...even worse.

Spoiler

Here he is again taking down all of Attuma's horde with his blast (and oh yeah takes Attuma's head right off on the same page.

Spoiler

Ares advantages: he's immortal (not only will this help him stay around longer, but it means he's been around for a long time, at least since Roman times),

Just because he is immortal doesn't mean he can't be killed, and definitely doesn't mean he can't be hurt or knocked out. It even says on Marvel's Bio of him that he can be killed with a severe amount of damage. Although Sentry only has to beat Ares, not kill him. Sentry just has to land one solid or several hits and Ares is down.

Spoiler

he has fought in wars much greater than this tiny battle (he took down all of Hades army nearly single-handedly),

Sentry has taken down groups on his OWN as shown above against Attuma's Horde and aagain gainst the Inhumans (as only a couple of examples). (he didn't kill anyone in this case, and really he wasn't even trying to fight anyone, he just showed them he could fight them all if he wanted to but he chose not to)

Spoiler

he has armor, an axe, and a mace all formed from adamantine by Hephaestus (as far as I know adamantine is even stronger then adamantium since that's the metal is was named after, has anything ever gone against this?),

Yeah well Sentry is shown here ripping Ultron's head off who is made of adamantium. (oh yeah he knocks Wonderman on his ass as he is doing it) Again this would be overconfidence on Ares' part. I know you say adamantine but if he could easily rip Ultron's head I couldn't see it being any much more of a problem to deal with Ares weaponry (as he broke Terrax's axe - which tore a hole in Galactus' ship). Plus Ares would not only have to hit Sentry even though Sentry is faster and Ares would be weighed down, but he would have to strike with enough force, more than WWH's punches (which Sentry could still take). Besides, on the Marvel website for Ares that is his "former" paraphernalia so he doesn't use it anymore by that reasoning.

Spoiler

he has a ridiculous healing factor probably between the Wolverine and Deadpool level (I've never gotten an exact statement on this)

I wouldn't even put it up that far I have seen bio references that say he can't regenerate missing limbs or organs without the help of magic.

Yes he has regenerative properties but he can be injured and harm with enough force as shown in his bios, by his numerous defeats including his one punch by WWH. If you are comparing his healing powers to Wolverine, then I would just say in Civil War Sentry knocked Wolverine unconscious quite easily. Just because he has regenerative powers doesn't mean a sufficient blow to the head can't knock out Ares.

and he has fought alongside of the Sentry so he knows who he's up against.

Yes but that is a two way street. Sentry knows about Ares as much as Ares knows about Sentry.

Now here's how I see it going down. My assumption is Ares prefers not to wear his adamantine armor because it would significantly way him down, but he knows going in that the Sentry is much faster then him so he'll suck it up and wear it.

So not only is Ares much slower than Sentry but now his adamantine(which he might not even have anymore) makes him weighed down, and slower. He is already behind in all fields and now he is even more so. It would make him less agile and slower.

He'll also bring his adamantine weapons (axe and mace). Now since these were forged by Hephaestus and are made form the metal of the gods I'm assuming that have some magical residue behind them (what's the Sentry's status on magic?).

Assuming makes an ass of you and me...ing even if they have some residue magic, there has been nothing shown that Sentry is weak to it so it is a lackking point.

As for the fight, Ares will come in, Ares is best at a charging, but he's been in enough battles to know when charging is a good idea and when its now. Against the Hulk it would seem like a good idea because Hulk is mindless, but the Sentry's pretty smart and Ares knows this.

Actually if Ares had any intelligence at all he would have known that Hulk was far more strategically sound, and smarter than the usual mindless hulk. He wasn't the first to go against WWH but he charged anyway. Same as with against Ultron, instead of regrouping and figuring out what to do he blindly goes into battle and fight him (her). This has come up time and time again.

Ares has also realized that Sentry isn't entirely "with it". Ares is a tough guy and he's gonna try his damnest to belittle and agitate the Sentry. He's seen the Sentry first hand when he loses his cool (Mighty Avengers 4 or 5) and he knows he can use this. Ares is well aware that the Sentry has never fully utilized his powers and he'll have to straddle the line between agitating him enough to get careless or completely losing it and tearing off his head. Ares' best bet will be to get in close and hammer Sentry since all he has to do is knock him out, killing either of these two is virtually impossible. Given that Ares has far greater combat experience and a greater understanding of the elements of war and combat he'll use all of his advantages to the max and try to cover up every disadvantage he has.

Sentry is at his weakest when being psionically manipulated. Ares has no powers to expose or take adavantage of this. A few, "You sucks" from Ares isn't going to do much EVEN if he had the time to do so. Sentry moves fast and hard (as shown in my countless PROOF of his power) Ultron was taunting him (plus you know he kind of killed his wife - something that Ares didn't do) but he still managed to rip Ultron's head off. Ares on the other hand was losing and had to be carried away BY Sentry so he didn't get hurt. If Ares does succeed in making Sentry "lose it", god help Ares because as shown against WWH he was to the point of enjoying it. If he is going up against the God of War, an immortal, than he knows he can let loose more than usual which is almost a relief to him.

Ares and him hammer will litterally do nothing. Sentry has taken punches from WWH to the face, and he was smiling (bruised but smiling).

Sentry will take Ares swing of his axe just like Terrax in this scan and Terrax is much more stronger, faster and powerful than Ares.

Spoiler

Ares has no chance in winning this physically, even with all his "experience" which he seems to shrug off all the time. He is nowhere as strong as Sentry (or Thor, WWH, Hercules), he is nowhere as fast, and he is nowhere as durable. There is only one way this match is going to end, and that will be with Sentry standing over Ares.


WINNER SENTRY

 

[Phaedrus45]

Thing vs. Avalanche Rebuttal:

Look. Is there anyone here who thinks Ben Grimm will get punked by Avalanche?

We all know the history of CoM...and, while it doesn't happen often, an over-confident opponent can and has been taken down by someone they didn't give enough credit.

Ben knows the Avenger's Mansion. While the Baxter Building was destroyed and before Four Freedom's Plaza was built, Ben lived at the Avenger's Mansion. He knows where the security systems are. He knows where the weapons are. He knows.

While it's true that Ben will know Avenger's Mansion, I will simply ask when you've ever seen Thing with a weapon in his hand or using a security system against an opponent. The ONE THING that Avalanche has going for him is the way Thing approaches a fight: Head-On! There is no big strategy here; it's always "clobbering time."

 

[Franklin Richards]

Dracula VS The Absorbing Man



Absorbing Man is mighty. And if Dracula were the type to battle someone directly, then Creel might stand a chance. But that's not how Dracula works. He finds a base. Sends out feelers ala rats or mice. He then approaches from a position of strength and stealth. Cloud form helps here.

While prepping Dracula will summon a supercell structure of clouds. His weather control can insure that the Sun is not seen for days. After that a few items acquired from Dr. Druid's or Brother Voodoo's rooms. Any current or former Avenger would have some basic magic components. Nothing too rare. With a few basic household items and his magical gemstone, I'm sure Dracula can come up with a basic paralysis spell.


And that's all she wrote. Absorbing Man captured with a wave of Dracula's hand.


Oh and if Creel tries to use his new Mind Control powers, don't forget that he tried to control a corpse and it nearly killed him. I wouldn't try to mind control a corpse with mind control powers.


Dracula Wins.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Thing vs. Avalanche - Opening Debate REBUTTAL

I thought this spelled doom for Avalanche; but, after picking up the Handbook on Avalanche, and not simply relying on the link, I think he's got a chance of defeating Thing.

The key to this battle is in how Thing handles every battle: Directly! There is no finese in his fighting style; he just wants to clobber everything in his way.

That's not true. When fighting alongside the Fantastic Four it is usually Ben's job to rush ahead and gage the enemy. Don't confuse stupidity for tactics. Ben has shown exceptional skill in strategy vs several of Doom's insidious traps in Castle Doom. Plus Ben is a wrestler, boxer, and martial artist. He's more than just a clobberer. Although he's damn good at that too.

Here is the key:

"Though his power can affect organic tissue, resulting in potential massive internal injuries, dense organic tissue - such as the Hulk's skin - can reflect Avalanche's power back at him, resulting in Avalanche himself being seriously injured."

While having a rocky exterior, Thing does not have "dense organic tissue" like the Hulk's skin. His skin is more like the material that Avalanche directly effects, and what's below that rocky hide isn't dense at all, as we saw when Wolverine cut into Thing's face.

I don't think you have a firm grasp on the strength of Ben's hide. Ben has survived the deepest trenches of Atlantis. Ben has survived the intense pressure at the center of Ego the Living Planet. Ben has survived unprotected in space for long periods of time.

Ben's hide is dense and powerful enough. He's not made of talc. Closer to diamond. Avalanche's one trick won't work here.

Another thing works well for Avalanche; they haven't faced each other, as they are in different worlds. Avalanche is an X-Men foe, and we've seen Thing get beaten many times when facing a foe for the first time, especially since he likes to rush into battle. Thing will look at this character, dressed up like Rhino, and think it's going to be a slobber-knocker.

Ben Grimm is the Kevin Bacon of the Superhero 616. His time in Marvel Two in One introduced him to virtually every superhero in the 616. His nephew is a mutant and I'm pretty sure the FF keep an eye on the players. Especially a player like Avalanche who's been around so long. Ben knows enough about this guy.

Nope, Avalanche will know he has one move to take this battle: Use all his power against Thing's rocky hide!

It's a one-shot, take all...but, it's been proven to be effective before. Basically, I'll admit it's all my character has; but, it's all he really needs.

And once you come to the conclusion that this trick won't work. You have to admit that ...


Winner : The Thing!

 

[POWdER-man]

Ares Vs. Sentry Rebuttal
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The same can be said for Ares, he has no identifiable weakness. He's immortal, super durable, increased stamina, and an unbeatable healing factor.

I have provided tons of proof to state other wise. WWH knocked him out with one punch! If he is so durable then why didn't he keep going and fighting?

Sentry is intelligent, but Ares has more combat experience.

He is also more likely to resort to violence first, as his "infiltration plan" for getting into Castle Doom is ramming the Quinjet into the castle walls.

This has been supported by tons of actual facts and proof that I have provided.

Elaborate on this point. Is he finding him just by flying about at high speeds looking for him? This could be a mistake when Ares uses this speed against him. Getting closelined by a godly mace at highspeed will hurt even goldboy.

The Sentry possesses greatly enhanced senses. He is able to hear almost any sound at any volume or pitch. The only Earth creature who can detect sounds at the frequency he can is a blue whale (0.01-200,000 Hz). He has shown enough control to block out ambient sounds to focus on a specific source/frequency (He has demonstrated hearing a butterfly's heartbeat in Africa). The range of his eyesight is also far greater than that of a human being. He is able to detect a single person from hundreds of miles in the air and above cloud level. The full extent is unknown.

Sentry will know where Ares is almost the moment he arrives, there won't be any hiding or surprise attacks. Besides Sentry took a punch to the head from WWH at full accelration, a hit from Ares would be nothing compared to that.

Sentry can't totally cutloose, Avengers mansion is still near a public area and Sentry is too much of a good boy to dare that. Ares on the otherhand....wouldn't care.

Sentry has shown that he could and would if necessary. I provided my proof several times already. He doesn't have to use his energy blasts to win this, he is far more stronger and faster than Ares, however Sentry has shown to use his blasts if he needs to. Ares is the God of War, there is no way Sentry would go easy on him. He doesn't have to, which is something he welcomes because it is a relief to him to let loose.

......Didn't you just say Ares has a habit of charging in? Ares will get the first hit in, I don't care how fast Sentry is, Ares is the God of War, he knows the significance of a first blow.

This whole "God of War" is getting old. How did Mr. God Of War do against WWH? Yeah he did charge first and "tried" to hit him, but woops he missed and gets smacked down by someone who is stronger and faster. Seems familiar with this situation, Sentry is quicker and stronger.

He quickly recovers and his stamina makes it feel like dust on his shoulders. And I don't see Sentry shattering the axe or the mace. Galactus can make a strong weapon, but its nothing compared to a weapon made by Hephaestus (past work include Hermes' helmet, Aegis' breastplate, and Helios' chariot) from the metal of the gods. I don't see Sentry so much as bending this.

1. The Axe is made of pure Cosmic Power. (thank you Richards)
2. The Axe tore a hole in Galactus' ship. No small feat, and to say it is is being ignorant.
3. One of Ares' axe was bent and the handle broke in two recently against Ultron.
4. Sentry was able to rip the head off of Ultron who is made of Adamantium.

But all this is pointless if Ares can't put enough force to be comparable of WWH to do any damage to Sentry with it. If he is actually able to hit him.

Even if by some unbelieveable miracle Sentry pries the weapons out of Ares hands (but in all honestly if that happens then the battles already over) Ares is still wearing the A-Armor (a=adamantine from this point forward) which will siginificantly reduce the force of Sentry's blows and give more weight to Ares'. Ares' is still not at Sentry's strength level, but he's close enough to leave a lasting impression even without the weapons.

Yeah because of course Sentry isn't stronger and faster than Ares.....oh wait he is. He was able to do it with Terrax, and it is a PART of him. To do this with Ares would be nothing compared to that feat.

I have already talked about Adamantine/adamantium so I think I have proven my point, but you seem to forget that it isn't a full suit of armor, there are gaps in the armor (the face as a clear example).

You're rigtht Ares' isn't going to down without a fight, but this is like comparing the heavyweight champion of the world against the lightweight. Yeah they are both great champions but the lightweight isn't going to stand a chance against the heavyweight. I have already provided substancial evidence to proove this, you have just made heresays and assumptions.

Ares was thinking of Hulk as intelligent, he was still under the impression that the Hulk was savage and stupid. If you can recall the Ares mini-series, Ares engaged an entire army and cut there numbers down significantly with his plan (I'm gonna reread that tonight so take that with a grain of salt until I can confirm it)

Considering WWH was fighting several heroes prior to this, a good soldier would have studied and reacted accordingly but he didn't. He didn't show a plan, he just went in with brute force violence (I even provided an insert from his own bio that says he prefers to go into things using violence). He has done this many times in one-on-one fights. He might be good against an army, but on-one-one situations he has never shown this.

Both men are going into the battle prepared Sentry mentally and Ares' physically. The Sentry is still not fully capable of going all out and as far as Ares is concerned he's weak (mentally) and green. The a-weapons and armor will greatly help swing this battle for Ares.

Again Ares is a god so Sentry is not going to worry about hurting him as he knows he will just recover eventually. Ares is outclassed physically so I am not sure how he intends to defeat him. Saying he has a-armor and weapons proves nothing as I have shown, with proof, that this won't matter.

He might be "green" as in years of expierence compared to Ares, but he makes up for it for raw power. Sentry has proved himself time and time again against more powerful foes than Ares has ever faught (and lost), and some he has and lost badly (WWH).

In conclusion, this will be a fierce battle, and Ares will get a few shots in but he won't be able to do anywhere near the damage he needs to beat Sentry. On the other hand Ares has been shown he can be beat physically (by lesser opponents) and up against someone of Sentry's power he is simply beat hands down.

WINNER SENTRY

 

[Phaedrus45]

That's not true. When fighting alongside the Fantastic Four it is usually Ben's job to rush ahead and gage the enemy. Don't confuse stupidity for tactics. Ben has shown exceptional skill in strategy vs several of Doom's insidious traps in Castle Doom. Plus Ben is a wrestler, boxer, and martial artist. He's more than just a clobberer. Although he's damn good at that too.

The problem is that Ben will see a character who looks very much like Rhino, and probably think he is going to do what he's best at. He's big, like Avalanche...and, neither character is going to be able to sneak up on the other.

I don't think you have a firm grasp on the strength of Ben's hide. Ben has survived the deepest trenches of Atlantis. Ben has survived the intense pressure at the center of Ego the Living Planet. Ben has survived unprotected in space for long periods of time.

Ben's hide is dense and powerful enough. He's not made of talc. Closer to diamond. Avalanche's one trick won't work here.

I disagree, of course. His hide is made of stone, and the insides are prone to injury. This is the power of an earthquake on Things stoney hide; and, it's not dense skin, like with Hulk. It's rock, and that's the kind of substance that Avalanche effects.

Ben Grimm is the Kevin Bacon of the Superhero 616. His time in Marvel Two in One introduced him to virtually every superhero in the 616. His nephew is a mutant and I'm pretty sure the FF keep an eye on the players. Especially a player like Avalanche who's been around so long. Ben knows enough about this guy.

Ben is good at getting information from others, and you never see him sitting at the computer, discovering everything he can about his opponent. (Maybe it's his big, stone fingers.)

I'll admit I'm relying on a big, one-shot move. Avalanche will know this is his only chance of winning the match, and unlike Avalanche, Thing is very, very, very well known in the Superhero community.

What I'm also relying on is in how Thing has faced opponents in the past that he fights for the first time; many times he gets defeated initially, and after he knows what to expect, does he come out on top.

There isn't much else to say with this match for me. I'm throwing the Hail-Mary here; but, I have a quarterback with a strong arm, and my wide-receiver is very tall and can catch the ball. Beyond this, my debate ends.

Winner = Avalanche

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Absorbing Man is mighty. And if Dracula were the type to battle someone directly, then Creel might stand a chance. But that's not how Dracula works. He finds a base. Sends out feelers ala rats or mice. He then approaches from a position of strength and stealth. Cloud form helps here.

It is an interesting position but it states that the daytime puts him in a comatose state which this match starts as. Therefore for 12 hours Absorbing Man can simply do away with him. And no he cannot hide from someone who can absorb into the house and its grounds. There is no place to hide.

While prepping Dracula will summon a supercell structure of clouds. His weather control can insure that the Sun is not seen for days. After that a few items acquired from Dr. Druid's or Brother Voodoo's rooms. Any current or former Avenger would have some basic magic components. Nothing too rare. With a few basic household items and his magical gemstone, I'm sure Dracula can come up with a basic paralysis spell.

Again he is comatose during the day. Second he cannot as far as I know do the weather summoning before the match starts. Next his weather control would not do anything as Absorbing Man can change his whole skin to reflect any light and I am sure that in the mansion there are objects which replicate sunlight. Last but not least, even if Dracula was not comatose during daytime (which he clearly would be), Dr. druid and Brother Vodoo have not left behind magical items in rooms they vacated a long time ago. In any case, that is moot here.

Oh and if Creel tries to use his new Mind Control powers, don't forget that he tried to control a corpse and it nearly killed him. I wouldn't try to mind control a corpse with mind control powers.

I doubt it could come to that given my reasons above but the corpse in question had no thought patterns whereas Dracula is part of the living dead and as such has thought patterns.


Absorbing Man Wins

 

[Hellstormer]

ARES VS. Sentry Rebuttal
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I have provided tons of proof to state other wise. WWH knocked him out with one punch! If he is so durable then why didn't he keep going and fighting?

I don't have WWH so I don't know what happens next, but obviously he got up to fight another day. Here's some pics to demonstrate his endurance and durability.

Gunshot to the head amongst other places.

Spoiler

Lighting himself on fire to take down an army. This just goes to show how suicidal and determind he is. Has the Sentry ever lit himself on fire? I think not.

Spoiler

Sentry will know where Ares is almost the moment he arrives, there won't be any hiding or surprise attacks. Besides Sentry took a punch to the head from WWH at full accelration, a hit from Ares would be nothing compared to that.

How will he know? I'm seeing no logic behind that. A straight punch from Ares wouldn't due anything, but if Sentry is getting in close enough to fight than Ares has the upper hand. Ares has been around for hundreds of years and is a master in several different forms of combat. Combine this with class 70 strength, superhuman agility and reflexes, and godlike endurance (not to mention his healing factor) and Sentry is in over his head. As far as I know Sentry's never used any fighting method beyond "hit it till it flies or breaks". Also Ares has been able to knock out Wonder Man with a simple brick. And in Mighty Avengers 6 Wonder Man directly stated he's as strong as the Sentry.

Spoiler

Sentry has shown that he could and would if necessary. I provided my proof several times already. He doesn't have to use his energy blasts to win this, he is far more stronger and faster than Ares, however Sentry has shown to use his blasts if he needs to. Ares is the God of War, there is no way Sentry would go easy on him. He doesn't have to, which is something he welcomes because it is a relief to him to let loose.

Let loose? I doubt it. Sentry is very reluctant to fight in the first place. Even during WWH he had to be begged (several times) to join the fight despite hundreds of civilians and heroes being killed or injured.

This whole "God of War" is getting old.

You may wanna go back and read the thread. I said God of War once, you said it every other time. But per request I will now call him....God of Badassery.

How did Mr. God Of War do against WWH? Yeah he did charge first and "tried" to hit him, but woops he missed and gets smacked down by someone who is stronger and faster. Seems familiar with this situation, Sentry is quicker and stronger.

He was having an off day, what can I say.

1. The Axe is made of pure Cosmic Power. (thank you Richards)
2. The Axe tore a hole in Galactus' ship. No small feat, and to say it is is being ignorant.

Ares took down an entire Skrull war ship....and he can't even fly.

3. One of Ares' axe was bent and the handle broke in two recently against Ultron.

He grabbed the wrong one? He wasn't expecting the kind of fight he got. And if I were him I would only use the really special stuff when I know I'm going into a match that will put me to the absolute test.

4. Sentry was able to rip the head off of Ultron who is made of Adamantium.

1. I can't find anything stating that version was admantium (we are referring to Lady Ultron right? says she was nanotech) 2) He was severely ticked off and 3) it looked like he had to put a lot of effort into it despite "letting loose" as you say.

But all this is pointless if Ares can't put enough force to be comparable of WWH to do any damage to Sentry with it. If he is actually able to hit him.

Yeah because of course Sentry isn't stronger and faster than Ares.....oh wait he is. He was able to do it with Terrax, and it is a PART of him. To do this with Ares would be nothing compared to that feat.

Terrax is also class 100, but his powers all lie in his axe (which was removed) and he wasn't fully warned about the Sentry. Ares knows his target, is a better fighter, and has more powerful weapons that aren't tied to his strength.

I have already talked about Adamantine/adamantium so I think I have proven my point, but you seem to forget that it isn't a full suit of armor, there are gaps in the armor (the face as a clear example).

No you assumed Lady Ultron was made of adamantium which I can't find any reference too. Regardless of the gaps this is still a suit of armor, made by Hephaestus (remember Aegis?), from the metal of the gods (far superior to adamantium).

You're rigtht Ares' isn't going to down without a fight, but this is like comparing the heavyweight champion of the world against the lightweight. Yeah they are both great champions but the lightweight isn't going to stand a chance against the heavyweight. I have already provided substancial evidence to proove this, you have just made heresays and assumptions.

Yesterday I didn't have the time I needed and I wanted to at least get started, now I'm prepared. Ares is just as much a heavyweight as Sentry. He's got the experience and the durability to back this up. Sentry is inexperienced, slightly mental, and scared to fully exert himself or the big bad Void will come and gobble him up. Plus Ares punched out Zeus....which is pretty cool. Last time I checked Sentry wasn't a god.

Spoiler

Again Ares is a god so Sentry is not going to worry about hurting him as he knows he will just recover eventually. Ares is outclassed physically so I am not sure how he intends to defeat him. Saying he has a-armor and weapons proves nothing as I have shown, with proof, that this won't matter.

You've shown proof that Sentry is can destroy adamantine? I missed it. I still can't see Sentry going full out given how much pressure he needs to even fight.

He might be "green" as in years of expierence compared to Ares, but he makes up for it for raw power. Sentry has proved himself time and time again against more powerful foes than Ares has ever faught (and lost), and some he has and lost badly (WWH).

I'm tired of the WWH reference, keep in mind Sentry came at the last minute after Hulk had already been hammered with dozens, even hundreds of other heroes. Sentry also had the advantage of his radiation that settled the Hulk. Even then he was only able to match Diet Hulk until they both reverted. Ares took on a fully powered WWH without being asked more than once and he took his hit, he did, but he walked away from it and when on to fight more battles and remember this experience.


Ares, God of Badassery, takes it and gives pretty boy a well deserved haircut.

 

[Midnight Ice]

Jolen (MIDNIGHTICE) link

vs.

Taskmaster (VANGUARD07) link

Opening debate:

Ok, at first I thought that Jolen was outmatched, but after thinking about it I realized that it wouldn't be a cakewalk for Taskmaster. Its a longshot but Jolen can win.

Jolen may not have all the facts on Taskmaster but he would know that his best chance of beating any opponent would be in the mansion's garden. In the garden not only would he be able to control all of the plants that are there, but he can travel within them giving him the ability for very fast travel and a type of "invisibility" giving that Taskmaster would not know where Jolen is.

Now Taskmaster may not start the fight in the garden but he would eventually go to it. I will admit that I do not have the biggest amount of knowledge on Taskmaster,(The most I have read him in is Avengers: The Iniative), it seems to me that he is not the most patient guy around. If Jolen doesn't reveal himself, I believe Taskmaster would get tired of waiting and look for Jolen, eventually searching the mansion's garden.

In the garden Jolen would travel among the plants and wait for the right moment to strike. Jolen could easily make a plant move off in the distance to make Taskmaster direct his attention to that plant. While Taskmaster is distracted, plants, vines and roots could grab his feet, arms, neck, and whole body in general. If lifted off the ground and limbs constricted it would be very difficult for Taskmaster to move. (I remind you that roots and vines can be very thick and very tough to cut or break.)

At this point Jolen could cut off Taskmasters air supply or knock him out in various other ways. Of course Jolen could also enter the Terrigen Mists again to cause his mutation to be even stronger.

Winner: Jolen

 

[Vanguard07]

Jolen Vs Taskmaster: Rebuttal.

Jolen may not have all the facts on Taskmaster but he would know that his best chance of beating any opponent would be in the mansion's garden. In the garden not only would he be able to control all of the plants that are there, but he can travel within them giving him the ability for very fast travel and a type of "invisibility" giving that Taskmaster would not know where Jolen is.

This is true. In fact it's practically Jolen's ONLY chance at winning. The problem is, Taskmaster WOULD have plenty of intel on Jolen and his abilities and thus he would know this too.

Taskmaster is a highly trained and experienced mercenary. He's also got a knack for self preservation and tactical planning. It's unlikely that he would walk right into the inhuman's obvious trap.

It's more likely that the impetuous, young and inexperienced inhuman would run out of patience first.

If however Taskmaster did resort to entering the garden he would likely come prepared. The garden is relatively small and could easilly be removed as an area advantage by some liberal applications of fire and/or chemicals like weed killer (each of which could easilly be found within the mansion itself)

With the plants removed. So goes Jolen's only advantage.

Now Taskmaster may not start the fight in the garden but he would eventually go to it. I will admit that I do not have the biggest amount of knowledge on Taskmaster,(The most I have read him in is Avengers: The Iniative), it seems to me that he is not the most patient guy around. If Jolen doesn't reveal himself, I believe Taskmaster would get tired of waiting and look for Jolen, eventually searching the mansion's garden.

Again, I find it unlikely that Taskmaster, being an excellent tactician actually would do this, knowing full well his opponent's abilities. It's even more unlikely that if he did enter the garden he'd go in unprepared.

In the garden Jolen would travel among the plants and wait for the right moment to strike. Jolen could easily make a plant move off in the distance to make Taskmaster direct his attention to that plant. While Taskmaster is distracted, plants, vines and roots could grab his feet, arms, neck, and whole body in general. If lifted off the ground and limbs constricted it would be very difficult for Taskmaster to move. (I remind you that roots and vines can be very thick and very tough to cut or break.)

At this point Jolen could cut off Taskmasters air supply or knock him out in various other ways. Of course Jolen could also enter the Terrigen Mists again to cause his mutation to be even stronger.

Winner: Jolen

Undergoing Terrigenesis for a second time is illegal among the Inhumans and Jolen has nowhere near the necessary authority to supercede that law (Gorgon is the only person who it's happened to and it was done to him against his will.) Furthermore, it's extremely dangerous and volatile. It would be unlikely that he would survive if he attempted it. If he did survive, his powers would likely have grown beyond his control and his sanity would be strained. As was the case when Gorgon was forced to undergo his second Terrigenesis.

And regarding the relative durability of roots and the multitude of plants. Taskmaster is often equipped with highly advanced, custom weaponry. Hard light swords and various energy-augmented or adamantium bladed weaponry that have been shown to cut through metal like butter. The thickest of roots would pose no problem for cutting.

Also, again the vast majority of the Avengers mansion property is made up of the building itself. That building is Extremely reinforced and possesses significant security systems. Jolen would have no chance of breaching the building itself with the limited plant matter available to him.

This means that Taskmaster would always have a safe haven to retreat to to provide cover against his opponent's only offensive capabilities.

Also he wouldnt even have to venture outside at all. It wouldnt take a genius to figure out that plant boy would be outside in the garden. Thusly Taskmaster could easilly decide to scorch the earth of the garden from one of the mansion's windows. Explosive arrows, grenades, various gas pellets (specifically loaded for the match with plant killing chemicals).

He could easilly destroy the garden, leaving Jolen with no place to hide, and once his opponent was exposed, easilly take him out from afar.

Winner: Taskmaster.

 

[Franklin Richards]

The problem is that Ben will see a character who looks very much like Rhino, and probably think he is going to do what he's best at. He's big, like Avalanche...and, neither character is going to be able to sneak up on the other.

All moot. Ben can take the first shot and then some. Your argument hinges on a use of Avalanche's power that you don't even know will work.

I disagree, of course. His hide is made of stone, and the insides are prone to injury. This is the power of an earthquake on Things stoney hide; and, it's not dense skin, like with Hulk. It's rock, and that's the kind of substance that Avalanche effects.

His hide is made of "petridermus" as coined by Reed Richards. His "rocks" are entirely organic and not even remotely related to stone other than a few trace elements that we all share. The fact that they look like stone has nothing to do with it. It's just "camo".

And I've pointed out how dense his skin really is with the examples I mentioned earlier.

Ben is good at getting information from others, and you never see him sitting at the computer, discovering everything he can about his opponent. (Maybe it's his big, stone fingers.)

I'll admit I'm relying on a big, one-shot move. Avalanche will know this is his only chance of winning the match, and unlike Avalanche, Thing is very, very, very well known in the Superhero community.

What I'm also relying on is in how Thing has faced opponents in the past that he fights for the first time; many times he gets defeated initially, and after he knows what to expect, does he come out on top.

There isn't much else to say with this match for me. I'm throwing the Hail-Mary here; but, I have a quarterback with a strong arm, and my wide-receiver is very tall and can catch the ball. Beyond this, my debate ends.

Final Thoughts


You are throwing a big Hail Mary. However you don't even know if your trick will work. We've never seen this tactic and I don't believe it would even work. The question the voters have to ask themselves is...

Do I believe that this untested shot in the dark will work?


I wouldn't vote against Ben Grimm.

 

[POWdER-man]

ARES VS. Sentry Rebuttal
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I don't have WWH so I don't know what happens next, but obviously he got up to fight another day. Here's some pics to demonstrate his endurance and durability.

Sigh....you don't seem to get the point. He was knocked out cold with one punch, by a mere mortal. This competition isn't about killing your opponent. It's about being able to take your opponent out of the match. In WWH Ares is not shown on the next page nor is he in rest of the issue. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he ever comes back in the equation for the remaining part of the series. Who knows how long he was unconscious, but long enough he doesn't show his red-face again to go after WWH again.

Gunshot to the head amongst other places.

Spoiler

Heh, are you trying to help your cause or mine? Seriously, so you trying to compare durability of someone who's skin can be punctured by bullets from a simple handgun with someone who took a arm-length direct power cosmic shot from Terrax without even getting injured nor even budging an inch? Oh yeah there was the fact that he caught a bullet with his bare hand before as well.

Spoiler

Lighting himself on fire to take down an army. This just goes to show how suicidal and determind he is. Has the Sentry ever lit himself on fire? I think not.

Spoiler

Seriously, I think you should stop now before you do any further damage to your cause. Thanks for displaying that only is Ares is an erratic fool who uses simple brute force instead of a clear strategy to fight but that the durability of his skin can be set on fire? Compared to someone who could got within range of the sun without even breaking a sweat (not to a mention all the WWH, and other references where he is engulfed in flame but doesn't receive any damage). Oh yeah on this page he is also shown throwing Void into the sun. A being that makes every superhero quiver in fear, including Hulk who spent days on Sentry's kitchen floor recovering from every bone in his body being broken one by one. But yeah he is JUST the "big, bad void".

Spoiler

How will he know? I'm seeing no logic behind that.

Because Sentry's senses are ridiculously off the scale. He can hear the sneeze of a butterfly in central Africa. He has been shown to know when disasters all over the world is happening as it's happening on his own. Finding Ares in such a small area, would be no problem.

Spoiler

A straight punch from Ares wouldn't due anything, but if Sentry is getting in close enough to fight than Ares has the upper hand. Ares has been around for hundreds of years and is a master in several different forms of combat. Combine this with class 70 strength, superhuman agility and reflexes, and godlike endurance (not to mention his healing factor) and Sentry is in over his head. As far as I know Sentry's never used any fighting method beyond "hit it till it flies or breaks".

I feel we are just going around in circles on this matter. There is no denying that Ares is an amazing character. I have never denied that, I have just provided proof after proof how Sentry is physically superior to Ares in every way. I will just finish this by saying:

- I provided proof that Sentry is stronger, faster, and more durable than Ares. Even my opponent has provided proof and acknowledged it.
- I provided proof that despite Ares' fighting ability he has rushed into many fights using brute force (my opponent has provided support of this in his own debate).
- I have provided proof that Ares can and has been defeated by being physically knocked out. I can provide further scans if anyone is still in doubt.
- Fighting ability can only go so far, if he can't harm, or even hit Sentry than how will he beat him? Sentry has fought individuals far more stronger than Ares and has beat some of them with ease. Sentry doesn't need any further fighting ability than that, do you see Superman do any different? The Hulk?When you are that powerful you don't need much more than to hit them.

Also Ares has been able to knock out Wonder Man with a simple brick. And in Mighty Avengers 6 Wonder Man directly stated he's as strong as the Sentry.

Woopedoo, every person and their grandmother has knocked out Wonder Man. He is like the Eric Lindros of Superheroes. Plus Wonderman is around the 70 ton level, same as Ares, still nowhere near the level of Sentry.

Oh so you are saying the biggest windbag stated he is as strong as Sentry, he himself, despite ALL the ACTUAL proof showing otherwise. So you are referring to HIS own mention that he is as strong as Sentry and Ms Marvel, in which Carol secretly thought (uh, okay?) and have nothing to do with him boasting in front of the girl he likes and trying to impress her because he wasn't being used as the powerhouse against Ultron like Sentry. Shame on you Hellstromer, don't try to mislead our voters.

Let loose? I doubt it. Sentry is very reluctant to fight in the first place. Even during WWH he had to be begged (several times) to join the fight despite hundreds of civilians and heroes being killed or injured.

Wow you have clearly never read WWH, nor even understand Sentry or even the Hulk's character. Show me where Hulk killed any civilian or Hero? Please because I would like to know, I am sure a lot of people would like to know where Hulk killed anyone. Yes he hurt a lot of people, but he only hurt them enough that they won't get in his way again. In battles against Dr. Strange and Sentry he questioned them both on who was the real monster when they released their omnipotent power.

Sentry was reluctant to enter the fight as he knew he would have to use his powers to the most he has ever had to fight against the mighty power of WWH. He knew if he did this that he could potentially cause more harm than good. A quote from WWH himself stating, "That whatever happens next is on your heads." referring to both Tony and Reed. Even Hulk recognized that the Golden Man's power had the potential of whiping out the city or even worse, killing innocent people.

Hulk had not killed anyone so Sentry didn't want to get involve in case he gets involve and this happens, but depsite this after being begged several times he finally got involved when Reed was about to kill Tony (under control). Of course Hulk stopped it from happening, but the moment someone's life was in danger he swooped in.

He was having an off day, what can I say.

That's lame reasoning and you know it. Ares has shown to be beat several times. One of which Sentry had to carry him away from Ultron so that Ares could recover from the same bolt of lighting that went through both of them. Ares had to take awhile to recover from this, but Sentry was fine enough to carry Ares away and immediately fight ultron, and oh yeah catch the Hellicarrier. Yes I know Ms Marvel and Wonderman came to help for support but if it wasn't for Sentry to catch it in the first place they would have never had the time to go outside and catch it themselves.

He grabbed the wrong one? He wasn't expecting the kind of fight he got. And if I were him I would only use the really special stuff when I know I'm going into a match that will put me to the absolute test.

I have brought up my points several times on this so we are going nowhere. I will just say that:
- Ares might have his adamintine weapons and armor and he might not. That's for the voters to decide since he no longer uses those items (marvel.com says it it his former paraphenelia).
- If he does have it, he is going to get weighed down which makes him slower. He is already much slower than Sentry as it is, but this will make him moreso.
- Even if Ares could manage to hit Sentry, which is a big IF with all that heavy equipment. He would need to exert enough force that would be more than WWH, which is a ridiculous comment to say. If he can't match that much power, as well as consistently be able to hit sentry, with being slower and weighed down, how is he going to beat Sentry?
- As for his Armor, even if he does have this adamantine armor which his character doesn't use anymore, have you seen someone getting shot and wearing a bullet proof vest. The vest/armour keeps the bullet from entering the body but the actual impact still hits the person, causing broken ribs, bruising and the wind being kicked out of them. This is no different in this case, plus Ares is not wearing a head to toe full suit of armor. There are actual gaps in the suit which include his face. You would be a fool to not go after the weakest point.

1. I can't find anything stating that version was admantium (we are referring to Lady Ultron right? says she was nanotech)

Since this isn't a match between (lady) Ultron and Sentry, I think this is all moot. Ultron is typically made out of Adamantium or at least vibranium, take what you like out of that. But I have stated my points above.

2) He was severely ticked off

He has shown this kind of power before without being ticked, so meh.

3) it looked like he had to put a lot of effort into it despite "letting loose" as you say.

Yes he had put some effort (he doesn't really look like he is straining himself that much) but considering this was Ultron, who is usually made out of adamantium it would make sense. But I wouldn't talk about this much if I were you considering Ultron put Ares out of the fight for a little while by spanking him.

Terrax is also class 100, but his powers all lie in his axe (which was removed) and he wasn't fully warned about the Sentry. Ares knows his target, is a better fighter, and has more powerful weapons that aren't tied to his strength.

Man you are grasping for straws. I can understand why because you know Sentry wins this hands down. Excuse my french but who the hell took the axe away from Terrax in the first place by casually stopping Terrax's swing who is a much more powerful being than Ares.

Ares knows his target but Ares is arrogant. He is going to do what he always does, rushing into battle because that's what he does. The only thing Ares has going for him is his "supposed" fighting ability, which really hasn't shown more than brute force. He has been beat several times, which I have shown against foes that Sentry has either beat or held his own.

No you assumed Lady Ultron was made of adamantium which I can't find any reference too. Regardless of the gaps this is still a suit of armor, made by Hephaestus (remember Aegis?), from the metal of the gods (far superior to adamantium).

I have my comments about this above. But oh yes let's all ignore the gaps because you say so.

Yesterday I didn't have the time I needed and I wanted to at least get started, now I'm prepared. Ares is just as much a heavyweight as Sentry. He's got the experience and the durability to back this up. Sentry is inexperienced, slightly mental, and scared to fully exert himself or the big bad Void will come and gobble him up. Plus Ares punched out Zeus....which is pretty cool. Last time I checked Sentry wasn't a god.

I think this will be my last rebuttal (unless something crazy is stated) we are just going around in circles. The voters can decide who is right myself who has provided tons of proof from bios and scans, or your word despite it being contrary the character's bios and the scans. You keep on saying buzz words like "durability" even though even in your own scans it has shown to be far less than Sentry's and "experience" even though it has not helped him in battles against the same opponents' each had faced at the same time (Ultron/WWH)

Considering the Void killed a million people and destroyed half of Manhattan, where heroes like Thor and and Hulk being afraid of his coming back, most people would have some fear of that. But oh yeah Sentry still fought him and killed him by throwing into the sun.

I still can't see Sentry going full out given how much pressure he needs to even fight.

Sigh, he doesn't even had to to go all out against Ares. Even so, Ares is a God, you make a big deal abuout it one minute and the other you say, oh Sentry wonr't go full out. He is a god, so there is no reason to hold back. Sentry has fought several characters more powerful than Ares and beat/held his own against.

I'm tired of the WWH reference, keep in mind Sentry came at the last minute after Hulk had already been hammered with dozens, even hundreds of other heroes. Sentry also had the advantage of his radiation that settled the Hulk. Even then he was only able to match Diet Hulk until they both reverted. Ares took on a fully powered WWH without being asked more than once and he took his hit, he did, but he walked away from it and when on to fight more battles and remember this experience.

You are tired because you know I am right. Yes I have used it as main reference as it shows the difference between Sentry and Ares but I have used others.

You have already admitted to not reading WWH, and it shows. I won't argue these points b/c frankly they are ridiculous and I am not going to waste my time. If anyone can show me where Sentry had ANY calming effect on Hulk in this issue I would love to see it.

I will put up my final thoughts on this match soon. All I will say now is that Sentry is much stronger, faster, more durable than Ares could ever hoped to be. Ares has fought and lost to at least two characters that Sentry has fought and beat (Ultron) and held his own (WWH) so there goes my opponent's opinion of Ares' fighting ability. The only thing left my opponent has brought up is his armor (which is debatable that he still has or uses even in cases like this). It would not only make him slower, and less agile but there would still be gaps (including the face that Sentry could easily hit). In the end I am not sure how my opponent expects to win this, which means he doesn't as he won't.


WINNER STILL SENTRY

 

[Franklin Richards]

It is an interesting position but it states that the daytime puts him in a comatose state which this match starts as. Therefore for 12 hours Absorbing Man can simply do away with him. And no he cannot hide from someone who can absorb into the house and its grounds. There is no place to hide.

Dracula has long circumvented his weaknesses. I think that during a contest for all the cookies in the universe, Dracula should be able to stay up an extra twelve hours.

And who says he can't hide from him? He can shapeshift into several small animals and mist. How does absorbing the properties of things give you claravoyance? I missed that side effect.

But all of this is moot since he doesn't need preptime to summon a storm to block the sunlight.

Again he is comatose during the day. Not necessarily. Second he cannot as far as I know do the weather summoning before the match starts. Doesn't need to. Next his weather control would not do anything as Absorbing Man can change his whole skin to reflect any light and I am sure that in the mansion there are objects which replicate sunlight. Really? What? Last but not least, even if Dracula was not comatose during daytime (which he clearly would be), Clearly? Dr. druid and Brother Vodoo have not left behind magical items in rooms they vacated a long time ago. You are really sure about this and the fact that you can find a sunlight producing machine. I'm not so certain. But it doesn't matter because most spice racks carry the supplies a good mage needs anyway. Plus Dracula carries his own magical stone. In any case, that is moot here.

See notes.

I doubt it could come to that given my reasons above but the corpse in question had no thought patterns whereas Dracula is part of the living dead and as such has thought patterns.

It's dangerous interpreting what sort of brain patterns are present with the Undead. Most myths would give the advantage to the reject from the Negative Material Plane.

But even if they do go toe to toe in each others minds. He has hypnotic powers as well and I believe the guy who has gone to battle with Dr. Strange and a few other telepaths would have no problem with Crusher Creel.

Final Thoughts


Dracula is as a slight disadvantage when it comes to timing but I think I've addressed those. He's got this fight all over when it comes to strategy, experience, raw power, and ruthless cunning.


Dracula sucks the blood out of the Absorbing Man.