Could Nolan's batman movies be seen as unofficially canon to the DCCU?

[XtremelyBaneful]

There was a discussion here about how sometimes, the 2003 hulk could be seen and referenced as unofficially canon to the mcu, and tih being an unofficial sequel to it. I don't remember everything from each but if the events don't contradict each other, then aside from the fact that 2003 hulk isn't referenced at all in the MCU, is there anything wrong with thinking that?

and in that discussion, another point was that the same can be done with Nolan's batman movies, in that they can be seen as quasi-prequels to MoS and bvs. it does sort of fit.

-DCCU Batman is old and out of commission, and at the end of DKR, Batman is retired.
-Joker was left alive, taken into custody at the end of TDK, never killed off, and could come back for more.
-There was a "robin" that Batman passed his mantle to, but his fate was left up the viewer at the end of DKR.

and before anyone gives the whole "nolan's gritty realistic world wouldn't make sense", I just wanna say, there's no way I will believe that

-some ninja-terrorist-illuminati group (League of Shadows)
-or some drug that could make Batman look like this to scare people but then make people try to kill him (Scarecrow Fear Toxin)
-or a psychopathic murderer could singularly figure out months and months of planning to blow up ferries and a hospital (Joker)
-or a man who can punch through concrete (Bane)

could ever exist in a "realistic" world, which there is only one; ours. Reality. None of this crap is plausible the way we know things.

Hey man, people like to say daredevil and jessica jones are gritty and "grounded" too but guess what, it's still part of the same universe where there's a talking anthropomorphic raccoon, and a sapient/sentient tree, and, humanoid aliens...and a giant green range monster, and you get the point. =]

 

[Fallen Angel]

Nope

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Nope

Why not? Care to elaborate?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Nolan's Batman existed in his own universe. That trilogy isn't any semi quasi or any other type of quasy linked to the DC cinematic universe. Its' over let his Batman remain in the past.

Zack Snyder and Chris Nolan themselves have said it's no way linked so it ends there. Anyone who tries to link them comes out looking like a fool.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

100 percent nope. Nolan's Batman moved slowly and lived in a world without superheroes.

Just...

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Nolan's Batman existed in his own universe. That trilogy isn't any semi quasi or any other type of quasy linked to the DC cinematic universe. Its' over let his Batman remain in the past.

Zack Snyder and Chris Nolan themselves have said it's no way linked so it ends there.

Hence the word, unofficially canon.

Anyone who tries to link them comes out looking like a fool.

That is unnecessary.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

100 percent nope. Nolan's Batman moved slowly and lived in a world without superheroes.

Just...

 

[craigaat]

Hence the word, unofficially canon.That is unnecessary.

Unofficially canon isn't a thing.

 

[Fallen Angel]

No it is necessary. Anyone who even unofficially tries to link the two separate universe's comes across as just batshi** crazy. By the way not saying you actually are unless you go off the deep end in one of your post's. But any one who say's the could be linked officially or unofficially deserves to be on that Moviepilot forum with the rest of the loonies.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Unofficially canon isn't a thing.

That's kinda the point of being unofficial.

No it is necessary. Anyone who even unofficially tries to link the two separate universe's comes across as just batshi** crazy. By the way not saying you actually are unless you go off the deep end in one of your post's. But any one who say's the could be linked officially or unofficially deserves to be on that Moviepilot forum with the rest of the loonies.

No, it's offensive and unnecessary. You didn't say I am, but I voted yes in the poll.

To say it actually is canon would be stupid because it simply isn't true. But as for a fan canon, I don't think there's anything that happens in these batman films that contradict the events of the DCCU so far.

 

[rogbngp]

IIRC Ben Affleck stated unequivocally in a recent interview that Nolanverse is separate. The Nolanverse has, in effect, never existed in the DCEU.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

IIRC Ben Affleck stated unequivocally in a recent interview that Nolanverse is separate. The Nolanverse has, in effect, never existed in the DCEU.

you don't need ben affleck to say it to know that it's separate.

 

[Fallen Angel]

IIRC Ben Affleck stated unequivocally in a recent interview that Nolanverse is separate. The Nolanverse has, in effect, never existed in the DCEU.

You waited until Affleck told you, to confirm that it would be separate?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think you can be nice and say that any linkage of universes is insane.
Baleman had his entire crime fighting career captured on film, Batfleck has 20 years of implied history, Baleman gets slowed by dogs and wears heavy armor, Batfleck wears more clothlike armor and takes on Superman, Baleman was sympathetic, and didn't brutalize those he didn't have to. Batfleck BRANDS criminals with a hot iron.

Alfred has a different actor. Baleman has no robin (John Blake doesn't count), Batfleck's Robin died.

Two totally different Batmen, though Batfleck seems to be resembling the comics more.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

edit.

 

[craigaat]

That's kinda the point of being unofficial.

No. Canon = official, official = DC, therefore DC = canon.

All officially licensed media is canon. For something to be "unoffically canon" it would have to follow the same continuity, but it wouldn't be made by DC.

 

[rogbngp]

You waited until Affleck told you, to confirm that it would be separate?

No, but he does speak with some authority, I would assume. Was it ever confirmed that he got the director gig for the first solo Batman film?

Edit: it is at least reported as confirmed here.

 

[rogbngp]

you don't need ben affleck to say it to know that it's separate.

True. But hasn't he been tapped to direct the first solo Batman film?

Edit: it is at least reported as confirmed here.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

No, Nolan's trilogy was set within it's own world with rules and boundaries. The basic premise is Batman in the "real world". Yeah there's really far out science fiction, and crazy events that happen, but it didn't have the fantasy elements, God-like beings, flying aliens, magic, etc.

That was Nolan's intention in his universe, a realistic and grounded take on Batman and the characters. Now, in the current DCEU, there really weren't (as far as we know) too many examples of magic, fantastic powers, or aliens, before Superman shows up, so you could say that the world could have been similar to the Nolanverse, they just hadn't discovered all these powers and such, until Zod showed up on Earth. But, if they were to bring Superman And those fantastical elements into that Nolanverse world, I feel it would undermine what he was going for in his story. He wanted to tell a complete "Batman in the Real World", and I believe he is content to keep the story how it is, and I completely agree with that. I, for one, woulda been a bit disappointed if they were to bring Cavill's Superman into the Nolanverse, and Bale comes outta retirement to face him, just totally screwing up the entire premise that Nolan based his movies around.


I love the Nolan movies (although there is a lot of silly stuff that happens, but I look past that) but I want that to stay it's own self contained story, no more needs to be added, just let it be what it is and move forward.


I thought that was a brilliant approach to the Batman mythology, and exactly what the franchise needed. Now, I'm ready to move on from that and see Batman in a world that is dark, gritty, serious, grounded, etc. that also involves Meta humans, aliens, and magic. Another great approach to the Batman (and rest of DC) mythology.



A bit off topic:

I thought the same thing when the guy posted his "thesis" on Slade Wilson is really Ben Affleck, Bale's gonna show up, etc. it would blow my mind if anybody actually thought there was a possibility of that happening. Btw, on his comments (yeah I got bored and read through them) he KEPT on replying with "Show me one instance when Ben Affleck is called Bruce Wayne, or use Alfred's name. I'm telling you, it's gonna be Slade Wilson" so I bet his heart dropped a little bit at the beginning of the recent trailer, "Who's that" "You must be new, that's Bruce Wayne." I wonder if he ever came back out of the woodwork to recant or address that major hole in his thesis.

I will say I did enjoy reading it (well, the couple of pages until I got bored) and seeing all these crazy associations his mind was making, how much thought he put into it. Reminded me of the old LOST forums back when that show was airing (4815162342)


I was a member on the Lost forums, and used to enjoy so much going to that site and theorizing at the end of every episode. BvS is the first movie that I've kept up with like that, following the forums, rumors, speculation, and it's really enhancing the experience and building my excitement, and that's what it's all about.

 

[Fallen Angel]

No, but he does speak with some authority, I would assume. Was it ever confirmed that he got the director gig for the first solo Batman film?

So Zack Snyder saying back in 2013 the same thing doesn't count and he doesn't have authority?

As for the other thing, no it's not been confirmed Affleck is directing the Batman solo but is very possible. http://variety.com/2015/film/news/ben-affleck-solo-batman-movie-1201537304/

 

[wnjcwjkk]

One more thing about the Nolan movies, I think it woulda been so awesome and BA, and unprecedented, if they cast Christian Bale to play The Joker, and he lost a bunch of weight. I can just imagine how he would kill the role, and how much that would have built anticipation for the character.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No. Canon = official, official = DC, therefore DC = canon.

All officially licensed media is canon. For something to be "unoffically canon" it would have to follow the same continuity, but it wouldn't be made by DC.

nolan's batman films = DC too. so they are official, they're cinematic batman films, as will be bvs and all batflecks, and my OP explains how the continuity of nolan's movies don't inherently contradict what's happened in the DCCU thus far, hence, unofficial canon.

True. But hasn't he been tapped to direct the first solo Batman film?

Edit: it is at least reported as confirmed here.

what's that got to do with anything?

 

[rogbngp]

So Zack Snyder saying back in 2013 the same thing doesn't count and he doesn't have authority?

As for the other thing, no it's not been confirmed Affleck is directing the Batman solo but is very possible. http://variety.com/2015/film/news/ben-affleck-solo-batman-movie-1201537304/

Of course it does!

Why the issues with Ben Affleck about this?

Affleck went into to some detail about it, is the main reason that I mention it. I'm a little under the weather atm or I'd try to find the interview snippet. It was just released with the last few days. It was actually interesting to hear him elaborate on it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Of course it does!

Why the issues with Ben Affleck about this?

Affleck went into to some detail about it, is the main reason that I mention it. I'm a little under the weather atm or I'd try to find the interview snippet. It was just released with the last few days. It was actually interesting to hear him elaborate on it.

what he was explaining to you is that it's been established the the DCCU is separate from nolan's movies long before ben affleck commented on them.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No, Nolan's trilogy was set within it's own world with rules and boundaries. The basic premise is Batman in the "real world". Yeah there's really far out science fiction, and crazy events that happen, but it didn't have the fantasy elements, God-like beings, flying aliens, magic, etc.

You didn't read my OP, did you?

As far as I'm concerned, Nolan's batman films did have elements that would never occur in the real world. Furthermore, MCU's daredevil and jessica jones are supposed to be in the "real world" even though it takes place in the same world as the avengers.

That was Nolan's intention in his universe, a realistic and grounded take on Batman and the characters. Now, in the current DCEU, there really weren't (as far as we know) too many examples of magic, fantastic powers, or aliens, before Superman shows up, so you could say that the world could have been similar to the Nolanverse, they just hadn't discovered all these powers and such, until Zod showed up on Earth. But, if they were to bring Superman And those fantastical elements into that Nolanverse world, I feel it would undermine what he was going for in his story. He wanted to tell a complete "Batman in the Real World", and I believe he is content to keep the story how it is, and I completely agree with that. I, for one, woulda been a bit disappointed if they were to bring Cavill's Superman into the Nolanverse, and Bale comes outta retirement to face him, just totally screwing up the entire premise that Nolan based his movies around.


I love the Nolan movies (although there is a lot of silly stuff that happens, but I look past that) but I want that to stay it's own self contained story, no more needs to be added, just let it be what it is and move forward.


I thought that was a brilliant approach to the Batman mythology, and exactly what the franchise needed. Now, I'm ready to move on from that and see Batman in a world that is dark, gritty, serious, grounded, etc. that also involves Meta humans, aliens, and magic. Another great approach to the Batman (and rest of DC) mythology.

no matter how hard, be it nolan or any director to helm a superhero film, there's no way a superhero would fit in a realistic world. if I ask myself, would the events of tdk trilogy or anything remotely similar occur in real life? the answer would definitely be no. i've already explained as-is how i don't consider them to be "grounded in reality" anyway.