Discussion in 'Man of Steel' started by wattabrownsound, Oct 2, 2009.
Hi. Could Parasite work as a stand alone villain in the next Superman movie?
well they would probably have to revamp him a little bit to be a main villain threat. Though i could see him working more as a secondary villain to luthor. Like metallo too as a secondary to luthor.
i dont think so, we need more substance
For a long time I wanted him as a standalone villain and everyone else kept trying to talk me out of it. t:
any character if written right could be a big and powerful threat to superman. So sure parasite could be a good solo villain if they do it right. But he could easily be a second/secondary villain too.
What kind of plot would you have with just Parasite?
I don't know. But it would be damn original, that's for sure. I'm curious about it now..
Original is one to put it, too pedestrian to be a movie is another.
A movie has to have a rather epic story, 3 acts and a climax, how are you supposed to do that with a villain that is ultimately a rather unimaginative thug, he's not smart enough to move the plot forward.
Parasite stealing Superman's powers and robbing banks for two hours, may be a good one shot story in a comic, but it doesn't make for a compelling movie.
I think Parasite would work better working for Lex.
I cannot see him being the main villain, but I can see the final "big fight" being with him and supes.
Sure, Lex is the string puller, but he does not have to go to jail at the end of the movie, just have his particular plan fail.
In this case, we have a couple Superpowered villains, and have parasite take their powers as well as Superman's, and then become some overpowered being, that is brought down due to him also absorbing the weaknesses of the characters.
Best example of this is in STAS when Parasite had both a weakness to Kryptonite from Superman, and Water from Livewire. The combination of both kryptonite and water put him in a coma.
Before that happens, as he is gaining power, a great fight scene could ensue.
The most important thing is for the Writers, Producers, and Director to have some imagination.
Don't think why a certain villain is lame, think how to make them work, make them better.
Another example is the Cyborg Superman, underrated by a mile. He could be a T-800 equivalent to a Kryptonian. He can shape shift, and grow cloned krytonian flesh over his metal body, which is made of kryptonian alloys, as strong compared to superman as steel is to a human.
He could even cover his whole body with the flesh, like a T-800 and then pose as superman. Instead of down powering superman, just up-power the villains.
Takes some imagination, but with the right creativity even Toyman could be a huge threat. What if he is like a Tony Stark weapons desigener, who goes wacky and puts a kids toy spin on everything. Not a regular weapons engineer, as I said, like Tony Stark level, but evil.
Look at Batman’s greatest foe. He’s a friggin Clown, but the Joker is written in an imaginative way to make him a major threat. That is what it is about, making the villains great.
Not really. He's just not terribly compelling, even in 20 minute animated format. I see The Parasite as something employed to test Superman's limits. I had him as one of Braniac's "minions" in a Superman script concept.
If I had parasite in it at all, it would be in an ''established'' Superman film.
After the opening credits finished it would show Superman in the middle of a fight with parasite. (maybe an 8 to 10 min fight. it teases us with a few cars thrown and a couple of buildings damaged, but saves the really grand fight scenes that we'll see between Superman and Brainiac for later)
Parasite would have no connection to Luthor at all, if only to show that other threats can and do exist without being caused by Lex.
how would you go about him getting his powers greenktoo? Isnt he affilated with luthor in most incarnations?
But see that's not realistic, the film crew is not going to spend a ton of money on a scene that has nothing to do with the main plot of the movie.
Here's what I think they should do for the first movie, briefly touch upon the origin, for about a minute, then start with Superman moving to Metropolis. Clark joins the Daily Planet and has romantic feeling for Lois Lane who brushes him off.
Superman appears and starts performing heroic deeds and somehow thwarts one of Lex's schemes. Lois is intriqued by Superman and Lex makes Superman an offer to work for him, which he rejects.
Lex is furious that Superman rejected him, so he creates his super powered minion (either Parasite or Metallo) and sends him after Superman.
Superman gets defeated by this foe and is bit shocked to face someone who can hurt him.
Later on Metallo or Parasite starts to go insane from their transformation and targets Lex himself. Lois is interviewing Lex, while Parasite or Metallo bursts into Lex's office.
Superman then saves Lex and Lois from Metallo or Parasite, making Lois more awe struck and Lex more angry that he was saved by his enemy. Parasite or Metallo is sent to prison.
Brainiac should be saved for a sequel.
There you go, there is a movie, you can easily have 3 acts, a climax and a conclusion with all that material.
I love the Parasite a lot, mostly because he's not out to rule the planet or get rich, but because he's just a powerhungry jerk who loves destroying stuff and bullying his victims around. A simple, but fun baddie to read about. It's always been appealing to me that Rudy Jones is one of the very few villains who Superman needs to outsmart, because in a straight-up one on one fight with the Parasite, Clark will get the crap kicked out of him. But once that's done, what do you do for the rest of the hour and a half that you've got left in the movie?
It's unlikely that Rudy will ever be the main villain, per se, since--despite being a very formidable powerhouse--he really is just a thug at his core, and rarely even acknowledges the full potential of what he could do. Lex or someone like that would probably have to be doing something to create interest in the villains' side of the story. Yes, Rudy can absorb some genius intellects from people, but his simpleminded nature doesn't let him use that intelligence to its full effect. The filmmakers would probably have to play around with that in some way if they want him to have enough personality to help drive the story forward. Maybe make Rudy Jones a sympathetic character; his life sucks, he's just a janitor, and then he becomes cursed with a need to feed on energy if he wants to live. Once the audience connects with him on that level, have Rudy begin to revel in his power after he gets a taste of Superman's power (and maybe he gets to feed on Luthor's intellect as well).
So if he's ever going to be on film, the Parasite probably won't be a standalone villain, but he'd still be prominent. SuperMike probably had the best idea, I think, where the Parasite would stand the best chance of being interesting to an audience if there are a couple other villains around as well, and Rudy has someone to relate to and bounce dialogue off of.
Just an idea off the top of my head:
Let's say, for example, it's the climactic battle of the movie and Superman is fighting Silver Banshee, Neutron, and the Parasite. Superman has been somewhat drained by Rudy, so he's not at the top of his game, but he's still putting up a fight. Suddenly, the Parasite turns on his teammates and steals their powers too. So we've got a Parasite with some of Superman's powers, Neutron's strength and energy blasts, and the Banshee's scream. Although Superman's not completely powerless (let's say that he's got enough juice to fly at a moderate speed, just so that he can get around and keep the scene exciting and fast paced), Clark still doesn't have a chance of winning if he just stays and fights, so he goes to, I dunno, STAR Labs or LexCorp (or whatever) and tricks the Parasite into using Neutron's energy powers near some energy-collecting apparatus that was established earlier in the plot (maybe a giant battery or something). If you're familiar with Neutron, you'd know that he has no body; he's living energy. So when the Parasite drained his powers, he would've taken on those same properties that Neutron has, so Rudy's body is dispersed as living energy and sucked into the lab's energy collector.
Ta-daa! A big climactic fight involving the Parasite as the main physical threat when it all boils down. Of course, the movie would need a story as well, where we get to know Rudy Jones and build up expectations for a showdown between him and Superman at the end. We can also shove some more emotional story elements in. Whether it's an origin story or a reboot, I'm sure that a strong core story could be crafted. But that's not really the subject of discussion in this thread. Just don't think that I only want mindless action in the movie.
Also, a scene like this, where Rudy is conflicting with the voice in his head of all the people he's drained throughout the course of the movie would help a lot to make him more interesting than your average thuggish villain:
Thats ok, but if I were to touch on the origin, i'd go all out. I wouldnt have Lex as the main villain either, at least in the first film. Lex would be there of course. He would be watching and waiting.
And do I think they would show something like I mentioned to drive home the point that THIS film is the one we have been waiting on. That THIS film will be one helluva ride. What better way to show that than to start it off with a nice action scene.
It doesnt matter though since the legal issues will prevent them from using the origin right now. Its either do an established superman film or do nothing.
Thats not to say they cant use it down the road though, but who knows how long that will be.
As a stand alone villain probably not, but if we do see luthor in the next film series I can guarantee it will probably be with parasite and/or metallo. Superman has three great villains in brainiac, luthor and Zod (whether people like to admit it or not the way they reinvented his character recently has been outstanding).
I see Parasite as being kind of like Marvel's Venom. Here are two villains that know the secret identity of the hero. Parasite can abuse the knowledge that Clark is Superman. He can be the villain that makes Superman paranoid about who are what he will hurt or destroy from Lois Lane to the Fortress of Solitude. Also, with an added ability to shape shift into the people he's touched make's him a villain when looking like a regular person someone Superman can't save say falling from a building. So he'll make Superman look bad in front of people. Parasite is a villain that can strike both Superman and Clark.
Well then don't the origin and just start ther movie with Superman moving
The problem is you can't use someone like Brainiac in the first movie, he's too great a threat. You have raise the stakes for every movie, so going from a massive threat like Brainiac in the first movie to a street level villain in the second doesn;t work.
Brainiac and especially Darkseid should be in a sequel. So that only leaves one villain who can move the story forward, Lex Luthor.
Its just easier to do Lex in the first movie, alien invasion story lines should be saved for a second movie, one where you don't have to introduce all the characters and can focus just on that.
Plus we have never seen a Post Crisis version of Lex Luthor on screen, I would like to see that.
I think Metallo and Morgan Edge should be the first one. Luthor's been used way too much. He could be a supporting character in the first two but not the sole baddie. Brainac and Darkseid could hold films by themselves .I'd like to see Parasite and Livewire team up along .
I'm not fan of Parasite, so I hope he is never a major villian in any film. I prefer him as a minor villian or that he doesn't appear much. Like a cameo or something.
You could have several baddies in the first movie, sort of Lex's Hired muscle, but Lex still not being the main villain, just the string pulling puppet master.
The immediate threat could be parasite, or livewire, or metallo, or all three.
Be funny if superman is being drained by Parasite, and then when Parasite gets close to Metallo, the whole plan starts to unravel, as he is now weak against kryptonite for a while.
Like the 3 of those villains together to bring down Superman is Lex's ploy,
Sure we would see some of Lex, but not a ton of time is devoted to him while more time is given to the other one or all three 3 powerhouses.
That and we get to see superman fight being he actually can throw a punch at.
well i do hope if all the darn copyright stuff gets settled it means everything could be used in a film. I said before with a reboot/restart i still would like to have certain origin stuff told so we can see why things are different and have that new look/story behind things.
How would Morgan Edge be anything besides a poor man's Luthor?
You make Morgan Edge the head of a criminal organization intergang with it's connections through out the world. He's an international criminal as opposed to a wealthy buisnessman . You have Superman go up against an organization with ultimately creates Metallo , there you're doing something a bit different then having Lex be behind everything all the time.
You need to have some villans in their own right without Lex pulling the strings imo. Besides if it's a reboot it'd be better to work up to Lex as the Baddie as opposed to using him straight outta the gate or have him as an emerging threat.
That's what I'm doing with Edge and Intergang in my script. Well...sort of.